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peggedbea (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

I dont want to sound offensive but...really? I mean, really?

I had a girlfriend who was an evangelical and wanted me to convert, I went to church with her thinking it couldn't be too different from my somewhat traditional catholic upbringing. When services started we watched clips from The Passion of the Christ and then discussed how to get tickets for 5-10 minutes. Then the pastor rode in on a harley and we watched clips from Orange County Choppers. The episode was about the motorcycle guys teaching kids about how to work on motorcycles and the sermon was all about why it is so important to start your kids off learning about jesus early on. Then the full band roared into action (two drum sets, three guitars, several singers and a few horns) followed briefly by collection (I'm assuming to pay for the big screen tvs and projectors in the room, not to mention the band and the Harley) and then a Passion ticket raffle.

We left and my g/f at the time described how great it was that the church could get a message out that people today could relate to. I was going through my head thinking about how much everything must have cost for that one session (poverty, chastity and faith right??) and getting reamed out by her for not waving my arms back and forth in 'praise' when they were singing.

So, not that I dont believe you or anything but, damn, the things some people do.

fyi that whole incident above happened when i was struggling with disbelief I was feeling which only made things weirder.

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
my exhusband was/is severely mentally ill. when all else failed, one of his doctors recommended going to church. at that point we would have done anything . she recommended a church that catered to punk rockish young adults, which i suppose we were. so..... we went. they were all very nice of course, the church was called "deliverance" and we had to make jokes about how fucking creepy that is. it was in a dead, run down shopping center from the early 80s. it looked like a tattoo studio from the outside, with tattoo'd up skateboarding young punks seemingly loitering outside. at 21 and 29 we were probably the oldest people there.

sooo.... the pastor comes out. the sermon that day is about raising the dead. and how if jesus could do it and he was a man, then we could do it too!!! everyones homework was to heal the sick and raise the dead. FOCUS ALL YOUR ENERGY ON RAISING THE DEAD!!!!!!! then he played a 45 minute long guitar solo which made all the kids raise their arms or rock back and forth on the floor. also everyone HAD to give all their money, if they didnt raise $10,000 that week the church would be shut down, so give all your money then go home and get money from your parents.

soooooo we were of course highly fucking offended by everything that went on there. and besides that, a medical doctor prescribed a church sermon about raising the dead to mental patient with psychotic features. WTF?!?! i wont even get into all the hundreds of ways that could have gone terribly wrong.
luckily my husband hated religion even more than i do and knew damn well that was 100% bullshit and not license to go on a fucking zombie hunt with his machete or something.

something is terribly wrong.

imstellar28 (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

You're dumbing down the argument he's putting out there to make it sound illogical or ignorant. Sadly it only makes you seem ignorant. There is nothing logically unsound with taking something someone else has done well and mimicking/improving upon it for yourself/your country. We usually learn by example, why shouldn't the same thing apply to a bigger and more complicated system for accomplishing something like health care reform?

In reply to this comment by imstellar28:
I saw him doing it, so I wanna do it too.

Not exactly the most advanced logical argument...

Farhad2000 (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

Strangely enough when I discuss it with people they often mention the system proposed as a fascist movement of some sort, that much I can attest to. There are not enough hours in teh day to listen to all the right wing bullshit they must be filling their heads with but the people in opposition to the plan, simply put, are misinformed.

Some oppose it because they dont want one gov run system (not proposed)
Some oppose it because they dont want tax dollars going towards abortions (laws on teh books against gov funded abortions already)
Some oppose it because they dont want the gov choosing their doctors (already doesnt happen with medicare and furthermore nearly all private insurance already dictates which doctors/hospitals u can/can't go to)
The list goes on...

The sad thing is, misinformation is being asserted as fact and people are too lazy to get info from a reliable source or simply multiple sources for verification for that matter, spreading rumors is much more fun.

Me? I talk about it every chance I get because my quality of life has been seriously effected by privatized insurance and their unwillingness to cover people with legitimate insurance claims.

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
^ The stupid belief is that private health insurance if truly deregulated would cover people. Which is inanely dense. Look at the insurance market in any other commodity, the insurer is not on your side. Their incentive is to deny claims not fulfill them. This might work in strict legally defined markets like housing or car insurance but not health as health depends on alot of factors beyond people's control. My private health insurance may not cover pre-existing conditions, so if I have a heart defect and I get a heart attack. That could be thought of as a pre-existing condition.

Health care should not be in the realm of the private market, especially through provision of insurance. It's not a tangible commodity where transactions and coverage can be strictly defined.

Not mentioning the usual blah blah US spends the most, covers the least, has the worst health care indicators.

Personally as someone living outside of the US am extremely fascinated in the ferocity of opposition to Obama's health care reform, its not perfect and very middle ground, being still very much rooted in the private insurance industry. But jesus the opposition to it sounds is akin to Obama imposing fascism.

ericdarko (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

that is a ridiculous accusation
you're ignorant if you really think people in this country are not radical enough to provoke violence and invoke hate speech in the name of bigoted ideals.

In reply to this comment by ericdarko:
Oh Boo Hoo !!! ... every race has been picked on at one time or another ... Obama is trying to change the very foundation of this great nation ... Did he expect people to roll over and play dead??? Hateful speech - well everyone endures it at one time or another !!! I would not be suprised to learn he sent them letters to himself.

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Farhad2000 (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

Sometimes playing an old videogame is like going back to a playground you used to run around at. I do the same thing with super mario brothers, fire up the emulator and run through SMB1 and usually SMB3 occasionally Super Mario World.
This is the first time i'll be running through a game this big again though. And I will never, ever, play world of warcraft again.

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
Why not play something more modern of the same ilk like Sacred 2? I mean it's all click click on monsters and pick up lewts.

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rychan (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

Congrats, im officially grossed out for the rest of the day. (and that says a lot) How the fuck am i supposed to eat pasta now that ive seen that?!?

In reply to this comment by rychan:
And another expert says it's NOT Bryozoan:
"Dr. Timothy S. Wood who is an expert on freshwater bryozoa and an officer with the International Bryozoology Association. I sent along the video and this was his reponse…

Thanks for the video – I had not see it before. No, these are not bryozoans! They are clumps of annelid worms, almost certainly tubificids (Naididae, probably genus Tubifex). Normally these occur in soil and sediment, especially at the bottom and edges of polluted streams. In the photo they have apparently entered a pipeline somehow, and in the absence of soil they are coiling around each other. The contractions you see are the result of a single worm contracting and then stimulating all the others to do the same almost simultaneously, so it looks like a single big muscle contracting. Interesting video."

This video makes it a little more believable that it could be a clump of these worms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn9kh7MaFQQ&
if you imagine that they would look deflated and slimy when the water in the pipe is drained.

ponceleon (Member Profile)

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Dignant_Pink (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

Because the religions of a society tend to be reflected in the policies made within governments. Or in other words, your religion effects me, so I care about what you believe because I dont want it to.

I live in Indiana and I cant buy any alcohol on Sundays. Not that big of a deal but, the mindset that went into that decision was a religious one. Why then, should I have to deal with that law?

Why should homosexuals be deprived of the right to marry because of one obscure verse in the bible? Our constitution invokes freedom of religion and no one is saying these homosexual ppl should be allowed to be married in a church, forcing the religion to change, just the laws involved.

1/2 of a male couple involved in some kind of emergency wouldnt be able to visit with the other half in a hospital because the rules are that only immediate family can visit. They cant even get a discount on car insurance for their partnership. The law is preventing them from doing that and religion plays a major role in that. THAT is why it is so important to people like us who have absolutely no stake in god.

Your a devout catholic you say, how would you feel if you were forced to take unpaid days off of work for Hanukkah(the way some atheists like myself feel for being forced to take off christmas) Why should I be forced to celebrate your holiday when I would like the day off of work for Charles Darwin's birthday?
Do you see what I'm saying.

Freedom of religion makes the US by law a secular society yet judaio christian ideas are invasive and perverting our government into something other than what the founding fathers intended. I dont want to be forced to believe something I dont, and I'm happy that I live in a country that supports my freedom in that regard, for now.

In reply to this comment by Dignant_Pink:
i'm a devout catholic. i believe in god and his son jesus. i believe that everything that happens, good or bad, is, to quote the joker, "all part of the plan." i dont presume to know that plan, but i believe there is one.

and yet i upvoted. why? because it's funny. too many times, atheists (and i'm not saying all atheists. i'm not bigoted.) expect us to respect them while at the same time, insulting our religion. (yes i realize that catholics do this too, but not all of us. thats the same problem) none of them seem to realize that religion is just one of someone's defining characteristics. god i'm sick of the God/no God debate. why can't people believe what they want?

jwray (Member Profile)

JiggaJonson says...

Bravo!

In reply to this comment by jwray:
Our Pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day our garlic bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever, Ramen.



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