>> ^xxovercastxx:

As I've said before...
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If the government wanted to destroy WTC and blame it on Muslims, why not just blatantly use explosives? It's not like the place hasn't been bombed before. Why bother with the hijacked planes and all the other shit? Blow the lower floors out and let the thing come crashing down. Dozens of terrorist orgs would have been thrilled to take credit for it.



You do realize it usually takes weeks of planning and setting up to rig a demolition, right? No way people are going to believe that foreign agents would be able to set up a demolition without being noticed. And using jihadi elements helps exploit the fear factor.
And, you're right, it has happened before. The FBI helped stage a bombing on the WTC in 1993 but it didn't terrorize the public enough for the power elite to implement everything they wanted to do. They needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to do that.

>> ^mxxcon:

These firefighters might not be lying or actors

The might not be lying or actors? Yeah, maybe this is the real conspiracy. The 9.11 truthers have staged a fake video of firefighters claiming huge explosions blew out the lobby of WTC1.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^EvilDeathBee:
rolleyes You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.Brilliant reply. So what are the levels of severity to conspiracies? I need to know this because I'm retarded/believe in 9/11 cover up horse shit. Or better yet, just define conspiracy for me.


aaaand, ignore

>> ^EvilDeathBee:

rolleyes You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.Brilliant reply. So what are the levels of severity to conspiracies? I need to know this because I'm retarded/believe in 9/11 cover up horse shit. Or better yet, just define conspiracy for me.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^EvilDeathBee:
I dunno about you guys, but i'm convinced. This is such a conspiracy, there is no other explanation at all.

Such a conspiracy? Is there levels of extremity to the word "conspiracy" now? I understand how the word has been unjustly maligned by ignorant tools where you're not even conscious to what you're saying, but this all out confirms it.


*rolleyes* You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.

>> ^Psychologic:

I suppose it's fitting that this is the first video I watched after a Hitchens video bashing people for wrapping anecdotes around a preconceived conclusion.
I wonder what it's supposed to sound like from the inside of a collapsing tower filled with hundreds of sealed rooms.


They didn't say they heard explosions while the tower collapsed. The lobby was blown out before the towers collapsed. If they were inside when the tower collapsed they wouldn't be on camera talking about it, they would be dead.
Even the third guy says the first explosion happen around the same time WTC2 was hit by the second jet. And towards the end of the clip, the second guy says "You people don't understand...there may be more, any one of these fucking buildings could blow up. This ain't done yet." And he was right: WTC7.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Yeah, you're right.. These guys are clearly lying. In fact, they're not even fire fighters! They're actors working on scale.. (how else would they know what it's like to be on a movie set?)
>> ^EvilDeathBee:
I dunno about you guys, but i'm convinced. This is such a conspiracy, there is no other explanation at all.


Is it possible that they're mistaken? In a building that was hit by a plane...fires and such, I would expect some very loud bangs.


...and ground level explosions 80+ floors below.

>> ^ant:

I am sure there are many medias we have not seen and heard. It's almost ten years!


No doubt. There is medias we will never hear or see. Even with the few NIST has been forced to recently release, some have been obviously edited and redacted.

There's probably hundreds of videos of the Pentagon attack that will never see the light of day. They were quickly rounded up "for public safety". They later released one video with 6 frames of the plane hitting.

>> ^EvilDeathBee:

I dunno about you guys, but i'm convinced. This is such a conspiracy, there is no other explanation at all.


Such a conspiracy? Is there levels of extremity to the word "conspiracy" now? I understand how the word's meaning has been unjustly maligned by ignorant tools to where you're not even conscious to what you're saying, but this all out confirms it.

>> ^Thallium:

Secondary explosions != coverup. Stop jumping to conclusions.


I'm sorry, did the 9/11 commission admit there were secondary explosions? Stop ignoring the obvious.

>> ^ulysses1904:

meh. They will report anything they hear when it's live TV, they have to keep up a constant stream of chatter. That morning at work we were hearing that there was smoke coming from the White House and that the Sears tower in Chicago was burning, blah blah blah. We heard lots of stuff that day, this is par for the course.
Also there's plenty of footage of eyewitnesses whose versions are at great odds with the actual videos of that day. Like some guy insisted the 2nd plane shut off its engines and glided into the 2nd tower.


Yeah hundreds of eye witnesses claim there was multiple ground level explosions, including firefighters, emt, and police. But the 9/11 commission didn't feel it was necessary to hear their testimony, and the few it did hear never made the final report. So obviously the eye witnesses are just delusional and must be suffering from post traumatic stress... :eyeroll:

>> ^hpqp:

Yes, this definitely deserves the lies channel, just not necessarily for the reason the poster put it there.


Please, do tell.

>> ^marinara:

promote
Remember, we've spent 700 billion dollars on homeland security since 9/11. If you think that's not enough motivation (for a false flag attack) then you probably think we went into Libya for "humanitarian aid"


Thanks for the promote, but I'm afraid most people choose the blissful ignorance of illusion over embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality.

As I've said before...

>> ^xxovercastxx:

If the government wanted to destroy WTC and blame it on Muslims, why not just blatantly use explosives? It's not like the place hasn't been bombed before. Why bother with the hijacked planes and all the other shit? Blow the lower floors out and let the thing come crashing down. Dozens of terrorist orgs would have been thrilled to take credit for it.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Yeah, you're right.. These guys are clearly lying. In fact, they're not even fire fighters! They're actors working on scale.. (how else would they know what it's like to be on a movie set?)
>> ^EvilDeathBee:
I dunno about you guys, but i'm convinced. This is such a conspiracy, there is no other explanation at all.

Everybody knows that an approaching tornado sounds like an oncoming locomotive. And a path of destruction it leaves behind also looks like a train plowed through. Shouldn't there also be a claim that it's a conspiracy and they are hiding all the rogue trains while blaming tornadoes?

These firefighters might not be lying or actors, but I would not necessary take their post-traumatic descriptions of the event as facts. They just lived through perhaps their most extreme experience of their lives with 2 giant buildings collapsing around them. While they might be trained and have experience with fires, nobody there had any training or preparation or prior experience on how an 110 story building hit by a plane would collapse and what it would sound and feel like.

When the south tower started collapsing i was standing at exactly 40.705426,-74.004928 that was literally in front of the an entrance to our office building(it was demolished since). When it started collapsing from my vantage point it looked like the top simply toppled over. That was my experience of the event. Was it accurate? No. But everybody on the street at that time saw it that way.