In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
My point was, that just like running on foot was an absolutely essential part of Usain Bolt's record, so was the use of actual Lego blocks to the video. I've already made this point 3-4 times, and have stopped defending it because you keep ignoring it

And I have shown you again and again how your point fails, since it doesn't even make sense to compare the objective and clearly defined sport of sprinting with animation; There are no strict rules, regulatory bodies, referees and sanctions for how you do art. And you certianly did not explain how using a car would produce the same effect of letting Bolt compete in events and continue his career.

Either accept my criticism, or refute it with reasoning of your own. Don't just ignore them like you're in denial. All you do is keep on repeating that it is "essential". Just stating it over and over doesn't make you right.

My point was, that just like running on foot was an absolutely essential part of Usain Bolt's record, so was the use of actual Lego blocks to the video. I've already made this point 3-4 times, and have stopped defending it because you keep ignoring it

In reply to this comment by mentality:
Again, you fail to explain how Usain Bolt driving in a car and Usain Bolt running on foot would produce the same effect of allowing him to compete and succeed in a regulated sporting event. But hey, don't bother trying to defend it with reasoning. Just keep on telling me that you feel it is right. +1 for Truthiness.

In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
My twisted logic is intact, and while you can't see why my analogy is relevant, I still feel it is

Again, you fail to explain how Usain Bolt driving in a car and Usain Bolt running on foot would produce the same effect of allowing him to compete and succeed in a regulated sporting event. But hey, don't bother trying to defend it with reasoning. Just keep on telling me that you feel it is right. +1 for Truthiness.

My twisted logic is intact, and while you can't see why my analogy is relevant, I still feel it is

In reply to this comment by mentality:
>> ^demon_ix:
That's where we disagree
My point of view is, that using Lego blocks for the video was every bit as essential as running on foot is for Usain Bolt.

Absolutely not. It's not a "point of view" issue. Sprinting is a sport that is regulated by governing bodies with history lasting millenia. There are few human endeavors that are so objective and clearly defined. It is nothing like the subjective and nebulous nature of artistic expression. It doesn't even make sense to compare the two.

Your analogy is flawed, but feel free to subscribe to whatever twisted logic and reasoning that feels right to you.

Anyways, thank you for the polite discourse.

>> ^demon_ix:
That's where we disagree
My point of view is, that using Lego blocks for the video was every bit as essential as running on foot is for Usain Bolt.

Absolutely not. It's not a "point of view" issue. Sprinting is a sport that is regulated by governing bodies with history lasting millenia. There are few human endeavors that are so objective and clearly defined. It is nothing like the subjective and nebulous nature of artistic expression. It doesn't even make sense to compare the two.

Your analogy is flawed, but feel free to subscribe to whatever twisted logic and reasoning that feels right to you.

Anyways, thank you for the polite discourse.

That's where we disagree
My point of view is, that using Lego blocks for the video was every bit as essential as running on foot is for Usain Bolt.

In reply to this comment by mentality:
No, you see, his career as a athlete revolves around racing on foot, not to get from start to finish by any means necessary. Therefore, using a car would not achieve the same effect. Now if the effect he was going for was to get to the convenience store faster, and he spent thousands of hours to train for that and never raced, then that would be a waste of time since he could have done it with a car. Your analogy fails in every way.

>> ^demon_ix:
We disagree completely then. The point of what he made wasn't to make a cool animation "to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers"... The point was to make a video of 80's video games using nothing but Lego blocks. He achieved it superbly.

Yes, he did achieve that. But like I said, he wasted his time (not all of it) since he could have done that AND have done something more suitable for the medium with the same amount of time spent. Again you're missing the point.

What you're suggesting, is using a computer software to replicate Lego blocks and use those virtual blocks to make an identical animation in less time, and while that's more pragmatic, saves time and effort, it's completely losing the actual point of making a video with Lego blocks..... Why still make a video of Lego blocks moving around, when you can make a 3D animation of the actual game characters?

Because then it wouldn't look like Lego blocks. The whole point of CG was that it can replicate the effects. Using actual characters would not produce the same effect. Isn't that obvious? Do I really have to explain that?

And while you're at it, why not program the original games, making a version of Pong, Pac-Man, Super Mario etc? And why not go beyond that and make a better game, and market it? He could make lots of money that way, no?

Ok You've missed the point by a mile now. How did you get from animation to making games? Did you even read what I wrote?


I actually think my Usain Bolt car analogy is very good, since he could save years and years of rigorous physical training and sacrifice, and go do something useful with his time, since he can get from the start to the finish with ease and more speed in a car.

No, you see, his career as a athlete revolves around racing on foot, not to get from start to finish by any means necessary. Therefore, using a car would not achieve the same effect. Now if the effect he was going for was to get to the convenience store faster, and he spent thousands of hours to train for that and never raced, then that would be a waste of time since he could have done it with a car. Your analogy fails in every way.

^ I'm not quite sure that's right. It's a bit more like Usain Bolt running a record breaking time while the entire Special Olympics tries to get in his way, tangle his feet, and rip up the track in front of him.

It's not like interviews on Fox and Friends is really a straight up debate to see which idea is best.

They even did the whole "here are our two strongest arguments, respond in 30 seconds" thing to him at the end, and he managed to pull it off quite well.

We disagree completely then. The point of what he made wasn't to make a cool animation "to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers"... The point was to make a video of 80's video games using nothing but Lego blocks. He achieved it superbly.

What you're suggesting, is using a computer software to replicate Lego blocks and use those virtual blocks to make an identical animation in less time, and while that's more pragmatic, saves time and effort, it's completely losing the actual point of making a video with Lego blocks..... Why still make a video of Lego blocks moving around, when you can make a 3D animation of the actual game characters? And while you're at it, why not program the original games, making a version of Pong, Pac-Man, Super Mario etc? And why not go beyond that and make a better game, and market it? He could make lots of money that way, no?

I actually think my Usain Bolt car analogy is very good, since he could save years and years of rigorous physical training and sacrifice, and go do something useful with his time, since he can get from the start to the finish with ease and more speed in a car. Never mind that the whole point was to do it without a car...

But if you look at it in a "he got a world record, and thus accomplished something" perspective, consider the guy who came in last in that race. He technically accomplished nothing, and I doubt very much he even expected to win vs Usain Bolt. Why race at all then? Why not just give up and lie down? Why spend as much time uselessly training, keeping a diet and so on, when you won't break a world record or win the race?

In reply to this comment by mentality:
Look, I'm not saying what he achieved isn't art, or it's not cool. I'm saying it's a colossal waste of time because he didn't do anything unique to stop motion animation, and didn't make best use of his time.

Usain Bolt did something unique that you can't replicate with a car: break the record for human running speed. Terrible analogy. It looks like you're the one who's missing the point here.

Again: He could have designed his animation better, to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers, and in the process do everything you said he accomplished: having fun with a hobby AND produce something truly cool and unique with it.

Sure he had fun making it, but by not achieving something more it's pointless masturbation.

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Anthony Weiner winning a debate on "Fox and Friends" is like Usain Bolt winning the 100 yard dash at the Special Olympics.

We disagree completely then. The point of what he made wasn't to make a cool animation "to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers"... The point was to make a video of 80's video games using nothing but Lego blocks. He achieved it superbly.

What you're suggesting, is using a computer software to replicate Lego blocks and use those virtual blocks to make an identical animation in less time, and while that's more pragmatic, saves time and effort, it's completely losing the actual point of making a video with Lego blocks..... Why still make a video of Lego blocks moving around, when you can make a 3D animation of the actual game characters? And while you're at it, why not program the original games, making a version of Pong, Pac-Man, Super Mario etc? And why not go beyond that and make a better game, and market it? He could make lots of money that way, no?

I actually think my Usain Bolt car analogy is very good, since he could save years and years of rigorous physical training and sacrifice, and go do something useful with his time, since he can get from the start to the finish with ease and more speed in a car. Never mind that the whole point was to do it without a car...

But if you look at it in a "he got a world record, and thus accomplished something" perspective, consider the guy who came in last in that race. He technically accomplished nothing, and I doubt very much he even expected to win vs Usain Bolt. Why race at all then? Why not just give up and lie down? Why spend as much time uselessly training, keeping a diet and so on, when you won't break a world record or win the race?

In reply to this comment by mentality:
Look, I'm not saying what he achieved isn't art, or it's not cool. I'm saying it's a colossal waste of time because he didn't do anything unique to stop motion animation, and didn't make best use of his time.

Usain Bolt did something unique that you can't replicate with a car: break the record for human running speed. Terrible analogy. It looks like you're the one who's missing the point here.

Again: He could have designed his animation better, to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers, and in the process do everything you said he accomplished: having fun with a hobby AND produce something truly cool and unique with it.

Sure he had fun making it, but by not achieving something more it's pointless masturbation.

>> ^demon_ix:
^ mentality:
One man's colossal waste of time is another man's work of art. The point here wasn't to create cool CGI effects that every kid with AfterEffects can replicate. It wasn't to do something quick and to impress people on VS. It wasn't to get it done fast and move to the next project...
This is a guy with a hobby that made something fun and cool with it. He obviously enjoyed making it, and THAT was the point.
Go tell Usain Bolt he can get to the finish faster in a car, please.


Look, I'm not saying what he achieved isn't art, or it's not cool. I'm saying it's a colossal waste of time because he didn't do anything unique to stop motion animation, and didn't make best use of his time.

Usain Bolt did something unique that you can't replicate with a car: break the record for human running speed. Terrible analogy. It looks like you're the one who's missing the point here.

Again: He could have designed his animation better, to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers, and in the process do everything you said he accomplished: having fun with a hobby AND produce something truly cool and unique with it.

Sure he had fun making it, but by not achieving something more it's pointless masturbation.

In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
^ mentality:
One man's colossal waste of time is another man's work of art. The point here wasn't to create cool CGI effects that every kid with AfterEffects can replicate. It wasn't to do something quick and to impress people on VS. It wasn't to get it done fast and move to the next project...

This is a guy with a hobby that made something fun and cool with it. He obviously enjoyed making it, and THAT was the point.

Go tell Usain Bolt he can get to the finish faster in a car, please.

Look, I'm not saying what he achieved isn't art, or it's not cool. I'm saying it's a colossal waste of time because he didn't do anything unique to stop motion animation, and didn't make best use of his time.

Usain Bolt did something unique that you can't replicate with a car: break the record for human running speed. Terrible analogy. It looks like you're the one who's missing the point here.

Again: He could have designed his animation better, to fully show an understanding of the advantages that stop motion animation offers, and in the process do everything you said he accomplished: having fun with a hobby AND produce something truly cool and unique with it.

Sure he had fun making it, but by not achieving something more it's pointless masturbation.

^ mentality:
One man's colossal waste of time is another man's work of art. The point here wasn't to create cool CGI effects that every kid with AfterEffects can replicate. It wasn't to do something quick and to impress people on VS. It wasn't to get it done fast and move to the next project...

This is a guy with a hobby that made something fun and cool with it. He obviously enjoyed making it, and THAT was the point.

Go tell Usain Bolt he can get to the finish faster in a car, please.

Yeah, I don't begrudge the man his work so much as its imagined importance, and that these trifles tend to be funded with public money.

In reply to this comment by chilaxe:
Hahaha. The rationalist stalks his prey.

I quiet agree with you: http://www.videosift.com/video/Usain-Bolt-Runs-New-100m-World-Record-9-58-sec#comment-838492