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Quboid says...

Someone should sift a clip of the last few words just repeated over and over.

"Me and you together. Me and you together. Me and you together. Me and you together. Me and you together. Forever."

19 reasons you shouldn’t live your life based on the Bible (Religion Talk Post)

Doc_M says...

First, my responses are under the belief that the book is in fact true as I believe it to be.I enjoy ironing out doctrinal knots and at least helping people understand what the belief system really is, whether they believe it or not.
That being said.
More of my take on it and your response:
It may seem easy to look at it the way you said, but God sees the end from the beginning. He knew when sin entered the world what men would choose and that those choices would lead them from Him and what He has to offer. The law is essentially a way to reveal that man is sinful and that sin leads to separation from God (by its nature... "the second death"). This is an oversimplification but, since sin is such direct rebellion and leads to this separation from God and thus "death" (not of the body, but of the soul), something of great value must be sacrificed in its place... And Sin has no place in Heaven so nothing tainted with it can enter, by nature. Since man is full of sin, God planned a way to free us from it by His own hand through His own sacrifice ("so that none may boast"). The OT laws and the sacrificial requirements were prophetic to the sacrifice on the cross. The "sin offering" was a lamb taken out of town and slaughtered. Jesus was also called the "lamb of God" and was taken from town and slaughtered. In fact, a HUGE number of events in the OT are straight forward prophecy of this event and its ramifications.

He's not saying:
"Screw it, I give up. Do what you want. You're gonna be bad anyway, so go for it. I'll fix it." Would a human father really say that if he loves his child? Think about it, and if you wouldn't say it to your kid, do you think a perfect father, God, would?
He's saying something like:
"I want you to be good and it will make you closer to Me and that is a great thing for both of us, but I know that you will rebel even though you love me. For this reason, I will love you by saving you anyway so we can remain together forever."

To the first a child might respond:
"Alright! Screw you too, I'm outa here, since it doesn't matter anyway." ...and so much for that relationship...
To the second a child might say:
"I know I'm not always doing what you want, but because I love you, and in gratitude for what you're doing for me, I'll keep trying."
A Christian believer (hopefully) sees what God has done and keeps trying, not just in gratitude, but also to remain close to God like a son wants to be close to a perfect dad. This is the personal relationship that God wants, but lets us choose to accept or reject.

All this is part of the argument that quoting single phrases/verses from the bible and drawing enormous conclusions from them is unwise. The canon is a story that is far more complex and interwoven for that sort of method. The "context" is often the entire redemptive plan through history. So reading a verse from numbers and ignoring all that preceded and followed in history will just lead to confusion or misunderstanding.

P.S. There are many books written on why Jesus' sacrifice was necessary. If what I've said at the top of this post gives no hint, the books on the topic are decent, or maybe I can try more later... but for now, I'm off to bed.

p.p.s The fact that I'm still awake while Farhad is posting REALLY tells me I should be in bed. lol.

Team Fortress 2 - The Heavy

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