>> ^Yogi:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^sixshot:
That video doesn't show the mouthing off part. Not enough footage to really say that the tech was justified. I can understand if the tech was for mouthing off. But staring down is really trivial. IMO just looking at your opponent shouldn't be grounds for a tech after making a dunk like that. If you're serious about the game, you always want to keep your eyes on the players and ball, so you can see if there's an opportunity for a defensive play.
If what happened is true, then the kid deserves it. Playing in college hoops means you're given the privilege. You learn manners and you learn sportsmanship. Once you go pro, then all that can be thrown out and you're free to do whatever you want.

The only call that needed to be made in this video was a defensive foul for contact on the player that was dunking. Calling a technical instead on the guy who dunked is insane. Unless there were some very choice words missed in this video the call here looks horrifically like a ref who's taken sides, not an athlete being unsportsmanlike.

You cannot blame the ref for enforcing a rule that exists. That's like blaming a policeman for arresting you when you break the law. He didn't write the laws, he has to enforce them, it's his job.
I'm sorry but no sympathy here...he did it earlier and got a technical, he knew what he did was wrong after that. You either learn or you just repeat your mistake and get an even tougher learning experience.


They need to enforce all the rules evenly though. The defender fouled the guy while he was dunking, that should have been called first. The ref didn't seem to have a problem overlooking that rule and call. That involved actual physical contact too, but the ref called the foul based of someone giving another player the wrong look. That's pretty sketchy in my book.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^sixshot:
That video doesn't show the mouthing off part. Not enough footage to really say that the tech was justified. I can understand if the tech was for mouthing off. But staring down is really trivial. IMO just looking at your opponent shouldn't be grounds for a tech after making a dunk like that. If you're serious about the game, you always want to keep your eyes on the players and ball, so you can see if there's an opportunity for a defensive play.
If what happened is true, then the kid deserves it. Playing in college hoops means you're given the privilege. You learn manners and you learn sportsmanship. Once you go pro, then all that can be thrown out and you're free to do whatever you want.

The only call that needed to be made in this video was a defensive foul for contact on the player that was dunking. Calling a technical instead on the guy who dunked is insane. Unless there were some very choice words missed in this video the call here looks horrifically like a ref who's taken sides, not an athlete being unsportsmanlike.


You cannot blame the ref for enforcing a rule that exists. That's like blaming a policeman for arresting you when you break the law. He didn't write the laws, he has to enforce them, it's his job.

I'm sorry but no sympathy here...he did it earlier and got a technical, he knew what he did was wrong after that. You either learn or you just repeat your mistake and get an even tougher learning experience.

>> ^sixshot:

That video doesn't show the mouthing off part. Not enough footage to really say that the tech was justified. I can understand if the tech was for mouthing off. But staring down is really trivial. IMO just looking at your opponent shouldn't be grounds for a tech after making a dunk like that. If you're serious about the game, you always want to keep your eyes on the players and ball, so you can see if there's an opportunity for a defensive play.
If what happened is true, then the kid deserves it. Playing in college hoops means you're given the privilege. You learn manners and you learn sportsmanship. Once you go pro, then all that can be thrown out and you're free to do whatever you want.


The only call that needed to be made in this video was a defensive foul for contact on the player that was dunking. Calling a technical instead on the guy who dunked is insane. Unless there were some very choice words missed in this video the call here looks horrifically like a ref who's taken sides, not an athlete being unsportsmanlike.

That video doesn't show the mouthing off part. Not enough footage to really say that the tech was justified. I can understand if the tech was for mouthing off. But staring down is really trivial. IMO just looking at your opponent shouldn't be grounds for a tech after making a dunk like that. If you're serious about the game, you always want to keep your eyes on the players and ball, so you can see if there's an opportunity for a defensive play.

If what happened is true, then the kid deserves it. Playing in college hoops means you're given the privilege. You learn manners and you learn sportsmanship. Once you go pro, then all that can be thrown out and you're free to do whatever you want.

If they REALLY wanted to show good-sportsmanship, They'd let everyone play.

Good sportsmanship is great, and a good thing to encourage. However, this rule doesn't punish "bad" sportsmanship, unless your standards for "bad" sportsmanship are so ridiculously hair-triggered that you'd prefer to watch all sports being played by Robots versus Vulcans.

It is possible to be a gracious winner and yet remain visibly happy that you won. What does any any Olympic athlete do after winning a race, landing a tough jump, setting a new record, or having any other momentary success? They give themselves a little fist-pump, grin like idiots, puff out their chest and hold their head high -- and that is probably the bare minimum for even the most stoic competitor ever. Is that bad sportsmanship? No.

What happens at the end of every World Series, Superbowl, or Championship of any sport ever played? One team jumps up and down in a mass hug, acting like schoolgirls and completely unashamed of doing so, while the other team has their arms at their sides and stares blank-faced at the ground 3 feet in front of their feet. Is that bad sportsmanship by the winners? No.

I love the tradition in NHL hockey where at the end of any playoff series, the entire roster of both teams lines up and shakes hands with every member of the opposing team. This can happen after 7 games fueled by hatred and bad blood, bench clearing brawls, or whatever. They put that aside, line up, shake hands, and congratulate each other on a well-fought series. Is that good sportsmanship? Yes!

Encouraging good sportsmanship makes sense. Coming up with punishments that can potentially alter the outcome of games for some behavior that is arbitrarily decided is "bad" sportsmanship is crazy.

This is an incredibly stupid rule. Also think about it in this context: It's the punter. The punter is not used to doing anything other than punting the ball. Punters trips into the endzone are near non-existent. His "celebration" seemed more like a "holy crap, it work?!" And for somebody not used to crossing the goal line, I'd say it'd be normal to not be a little bit excited. I wouldn't say anything he did was "excessive" nor "taunting" nor "poor sportsmanship".

I don't care how "pansy" You may think this makes "your sport" seem to you now, but the rule was made, and is being enforced, for very good reasons. Sportsmanship should not be an afterthought for any athelete, and a lack of should not be excused for making an amazing play or any athletic prowess.

If you don't think the lack of sportsmanship in highly publicized and idolized public sporting events has been a detrimental force in the USA for the past couple decades (especially!), then you have not talked to a teacher in a long time, or had to deal with the whining mass of sniveling, entitled children this country produces (play a popular competitive game on Xbox live or public queue on League of Legends on PC and observe the communications for an example). Mandating sportsmanship sets an example for the most impressionable in our society, and without requiring that of our "professionals", and setting *real* penalties for behaving this way, the message comes across to our youth and young adults in this country that it is not just acceptable to behave like this in a professional environment, but it is also to be looked up to.

What is showboating?
Go ahead define it.
That is the problem with a rule like that.
Yeah I'm sure there is a definition of it in the rules, but i am also sure that it is wide open to interpretation.

You can't ENFORCE sportsmanship it is truly up to the coach themselves. (i.e. You are benched)
Sure sportsmanship makes a better game overall but it is impossible to enforce due to everyone having a different interpretation.

It's like trying to enforce politeness at a traffic accident.
You were calm you exchanged information ... but you didn't ask if they were okay (they looked okay).
Thus they tell all their friends about the jerk who was impolite.

There's nothing "stupid" about mandating sportsmanship.

Isn't the shit-talk just part of the way fighters are trained these days? Loud-mouthed aggression and self-aggrandisement have taken the place of sportsmanship.

Unfortunately you're right - you have to defend yourself at all times. Unfortunately. Because i hate this, i think it's a massively immature and cowardly thing to do. It's a true detriment to the sport, and it doesn't need that right now cos there is fuck all heavyweight skill to pull in the real masses.

It would be rediculous but i'd still strip him of the title if it were up to me, it would be a fitting punishment. Cos let's face it, he'd get it back pretty quick but he'd also have to learn a bit of humility and at the same time the sport gains a bit more infamy/fame and also shows it wants to see good sportsmanship.

Daft thing to say really, but i hate him.

How do you drive away from that? What became of sportsmanship?

It looks like he'd like to voice a few ideas not only in regards to Apple but also in regards to what MS should be doing (in the market). But he can't because it's not his role anymore. (I can imagine that he wouldn't want to over-step Ballmer. It'd be very destabalising to MS.)

And I liked what I saw of Courier, too.

>> ^shuac:

How interesting. Some poor-sportsmanship, methinks. Definite sour-grapeage.

How interesting. Some poor-sportsmanship, methinks. Definite sour-grapeage.