Besides, objectification isn't even the problem, the real problem that liberals ignore is DEHUMANIZATOIN. Spider-woman is far from dehumanized. She's a very complex character, you learn all about her. You learn her favorite color, he dreams, her interested, her fears. You learn of her needs, the things she hates.

Through pin-ups you learn all about her sexuality as well. It is not the artist or the fan that thinks of spiderwoman as something dirty or subhuman for expressing her sexuality but the critics that reduce her to an object. In truth they do this not to defend spiderwoman, but to dehumanize her fans. They are told they are subhuman beasts for having sexual thoughts. That they are monsters for having interested in a female as anything other than a role model. It's total and complete hyporacy. The fans of spiderwoman view spiderwoman as nothing less than a complete human being, the fans themselves are reduced to nothing more than animals. Once the object is reduced to a level below humanity, any level of decadent violence can be done to them by the feminist, and that's the point.

True, I think the intention behind the two covers is very different, even if the results are similar. In the Spider-man cover, he looks like a spider who has already wrapped up his helpless terrified prey. And if you know about spiders you know what happens next, it's pretty nasty. The real spider in the lower right corner helps drive home the impression.

Where as with the Spider-woman cover I don't have any real doubt that Milo Manara was trying to make her sexy; that's kind of his thing. He's best known as an erotic artist and his artwork ranges from pinup girl to pretty hardcore porn (which I enjoyed as a young man). Check out his Wikipedia page and the first thing you'll see is that that pose is not one he's new at drawing.

I think where critics go wrong is the idea that sexiness implies sexism. If she were both drawn as sexy and being degraded or made fun of that would qualify as sexism. But there's got to be some room for sensuality without automatically feeling it's a personal insult to all women.

Spider-Woman's Big Ass Is A Big Deal - Maddox has been added as a related post - related requested by newtboy on that post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-woman

Honkeytonk, master of the single entendre

>> ^honkeytonk73:

LOL you can go from mouth to vag without skipping a beat.
>> ^jimnms:
It's a good think you can't see what I'm thinking while watching this video. That kiss of the spider woman pose makes me have naughty thoughts.



>> ^Lann:

^ That's what jimnms was getting at without actually having to say anything...slick.

LOL you can go from mouth to vag without skipping a beat.

>> ^jimnms:

It's a good think you can't see what I'm thinking while watching this video. That kiss of the spider woman pose makes me have naughty thoughts.

It's a good think you can't see what I'm thinking while watching this video. That kiss of the spider woman pose makes me have naughty thoughts.