Buy your ticket and then time travel a thousand years where space travel is -- OMG THE NOTHINGNESS OF THE FUTURE. WHAT HAPPENED?!

Um, well, if that's your only complaint . . Wings can actually be useful for a ship that does both atmosphere and space flight. Like the shuttle. It has wings. And it's a space ship . . . of sorts.

Let's see . . . Lasers. Yeah, we've already had lasers debunked as a weapon in space. Unless there's some breakthrough later on. But, that said, it wouldn't be visible as there's no atmosphere to reflect it back to us. It would be traveling at the speed of light.

Explosions would be limited to the amount of oxygen in the ship being destroyed. They wouldn't create sonic waves or sound, or cause the nearby camera to rattle.

Ships wouldn't fly in arcs. That's atmosphere. In space, a ship can turn 180° and still be going the same direction. Babylon 5 is a good example of newtonian physics in action while in space.

Humans wouldn't be flying small ships. It'd kill us. Literally. Unless we have inertial dampeners like in Star Trek, making those turns and twists would destroy our bodies. Just ask a pilot.

Lastly, anyone advanced enough to do FTL and navigate massive star clusters with pinpoint precision who DOESN'T have a targeting system that can predict a ships movements and then fire a at speed of light weapon and destroy it, well, failed somewhere.

Not to mention, we'd use missiles that would self-destruct. Fire a physical projectile at near speed of light velocities and it not hit it target? Well, you may have just fired a bullet that would take out your space base in 1,000 years. It's be fruitless, require tons of energy and end up killing yourself with your own bullet.

But I'm glad we focused on wings. The only thing that has a real legitimate use in space travel.

Yeah, where's our advanced space travel tech and energy efficient vehicles. Oh right, our noob leaders want to make money, drive cool cars, travel to places frequently where the rest of us cannot afford, and fuck hot women. Got it.

We all get dicked. Big pictures of dicks to the masses!

"At one point in time, space travel only existed in science fiction, but with time and hard work, it eventually became a reality. In present day America, it seems impossible that we will ever rid our country of it's primitive, backwards, sociopathic gun culture, but just as sure as we evolved to be capable of space travel, we will also, one day, gain the wisdom to evolve past our current violent pupal stage.

Maybe not today, or tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or the day after that.... but one day.

I know these words might come as an insult to those unable to dream of a better world, or for those who cling to the status quo like a piss stained security blanket woven of rotten flesh and broken bones, but there have always been people whom insist that the world is flat, the center of the universe and mounted on the back of a great turtle.

Evolution is not easy, but evolve we must. If we are ever to have any hope of co-habitating on this tiny pale blue dot, it is the only path forward."

-Carl Sagan

(just kidding... kinda... but not really)

ad hominem will get you everywhere... while I play the tiniest violin for you and Dr. deGrasse-Tyson...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.
Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.


It did work that way is what I and Mr. deGrasse-Tyson is saying. Please though dismiss any counter idea by calling it "quaint" doesn't make you seem like a douchebag at all.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.
Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.



It did work that way is what I and Mr. deGrasse-Tyson is saying. Please though dismiss any counter idea by calling it "quaint" doesn't make you seem like a douchebag at all.

Very quaint. Too bad life doesn't work that way.

Like, at all.>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Trancecoach:
Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...

What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.
You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.

>> ^Trancecoach:

Still -- we got plenty of problems on this planet to work out before we continue exporting our junk, waste, and pollution to other planets and the intervening spaces. Seems like we need to get our own house in order before we start pouring the foundation for a new one...


What if our galvanizing our educational system as a result of our space exploration leads to changes in how we power everything? What Neil is talking about is changing everything, a small push that leads to a dramatic shift in everything. Suddenly because we put our minds to it and it's necessary for space travel we have Cold Fusion. We have weather machines, we have clean waste disposal. A world where technology and science works towards a specific goal but has a multitude of other effects.

You can basically draw any sort of technological advances we've had in the 20th century and point it towards our government and NASA working towards something else. Why don't we try doing it again...seriously it doesn't even cost that much as he points out.

>> ^Quboid:

It seemed odd to me that in Mass Effect, all these alien species can speak in a way we understand, look humanoid, stand bipedal, breath what humans breath and even mate ... and now I find out that it's much, much worse.


It is entirely believable to me that for a species to be capable of developing the technology needed for space travel they would have passed through an evolutionary stage not too dissimilar to what we are now. Our bipedalism, binocular vision, social-animal, child-rearing nature all contributed a lot to bringing us to where we are now.

Octopi, dolphins, and birds can all be pretty damn smart--but there's a lot standing in their way of ever building a rocket, even if they were every bit as smart as us.

Maybe if they all collaborated...

Well, your example doesn't work. The point here is that an IMAGE is moving. If you shine a flashlight into the sky and move it around, the chances of the flashlight image appearing anywhere is almost nil. So there's nothing really to move. Shining a laser on the moon, however, will make an image appear (assuming all other factors being correct, such as lack of clouds, etc). So that image will, in fact, "move" across the surface of the moon. It's no different, really, than shining a flashlight at a wall, and moving it around. The image moves, despite the fact you're doing nothing more than adjusting the tilt of the flashlight.

You're right that a standard flashlight wouldn't be visible from space, let alone another star system. However, if you had a powerful enough beam (or used wavelengths better "suited" for space travel), there are quite a few other stars that are much closer than 100 lightyears. Promixa Centauri, for example, the closest star to our system is only 4.2 lightyears away. So were you to put a sufficiently strong source accurately in that direction, you could even receive a response in your lifetime, were there something (or someone!) there to respond.

>> ^westy:

>> ^EvilDeathBee:
Why haven't we reached Mars yet, damnit!

because its a totally waist of time and effort sending humans to planets that are shit for human existence.
Robots are the only thing that should be sent to mars and the moon , it would be far more efficient and cost affective to do that than to send people.
It would make more sense for people to try and colonise the earth sea floor as this is likely going to be far more sustainable and practical if there was a cataclysmic event and the development of that over 60-200 years would develop the technology to allow future space travel.
Until we have some sort of technology to move through space faster than the speed of light which obviously is unlikely then I don't see any point in colonising other planets with anything other than a robotic presence.


*rolleyes* one of those people, eh?

>> ^EvilDeathBee:

Why haven't we reached Mars yet, damnit!


because its a totally waist of time and effort sending humans to planets that are shit for human existence.

Robots are the only thing that should be sent to mars and the moon , it would be far more efficient and cost affective to do that than to send people.

It would make more sense for people to try and colonise the earth sea floor as this is likely going to be far more sustainable and practical if there was a cataclysmic event and the development of that over 60-200 years would develop the technology to allow future space travel.

Until we have some sort of technology to move through space faster than the speed of light which obviously is unlikely then I don't see any point in colonising other planets with anything other than a robotic presence.

I do however think manned orbital space travel is something we have to develop right away and make possible right away for most people. We could also use it to send twats up into space and let them see how pathetic they are and how small earth and they are in the vast scheme of things with any luck that might make the world a more peaceful place to live in.

>> ^Reefie:

I was with the message for the first couple of minutes, but the final minute or so of the dialogue seemed to be suggesting "okay we screwed up with Earth, bugger it, let's find new planets".
Now I'm entirely for space exploration, getting to Mars, building a base on the Moon, baby steps in the grand scheme of exploring the universe, but necessary steps. However I would always put the priority of Earth first, would never abandon its well-being. We humans are nostalgic, and if we don't repair the damage we've done we'll forever be a lost species wandering from planet to planet, looking for places that are never quite the same as the Earth of textbooks (or should I say ebooks?) of old...
I guess what I'm saying is that this video could do with a bit more of a positive attitude towards fixing the problems we've created


What? I've watched this video 5 times and have no idea what you're talking about. I completely agree that space travel is no antidote to sustainability but there's nothing about this that implies we should abandon Earth. It merely states the fairly obvious fact that prosperity is a state of mind; one brought on by collective action rather than stagnation and depression. Exploration is the nature of our species and we could better address the little, petty problems we have here by imagining ourselves elsewhere than by pretending they have some crippling significance.

Good God how I miss a good sci-fi show with aliens, heroes and villains! And space travel!
*promote
*quality

I'm with Fermi.

Interestingly, the Fermi Paradox does a better job at disproving time travel than it does extraterrestrial civilization. Where you can argue that all the ETs just haven't developed space travel sufficient to the task or simply have not stumbled across us yet, the same cannot be said of time travelers. (i.e. If it was possible, we would have already met them, etc.)