AC/DC Live At River Plate is the definitive live concert DVD documenting AC/DC's massive Black Ice World Tour. Shot with 32 cameras entirely in HD in December of 2009, AC/DC Live At River Plate marks AC/DC's triumphant return to Buenos Aires where nearly 200,000 fans, and 3 sold-out shows, welcomed the band back after a 13 year absence from Argentina. This stunning live footage of AC/DC underscores what Argentina's Pagina 12 newspaper reported by saying "no one is on the same level when it comes to pure and clear Rock 'n Roll."

AC/DC Live At River Plate tracklisting:
1. Rock N Roll Train
2. Hell Ain't A Bad Place To Be
3. Back In Black
4. Big Jack
5. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
6. Shot Down In Flames
7. Thunderstruck
8. Black Ice
9. The Jack
10. Hells Bells
11. Shoot To Thrill
12. War Machine
13. Dog Eat Dog
14. You Shook Me All Night Long
15. T.N.T.
16. Whole Lotta Rosie
17. Let There Be Rock
18. Highway To Hell
19. For Those About To Rock (We Salute You)

>> ^westy:

This is so fucking retardedon multiple levels .
In the end Terrorists can always and will always find a way to blow stuff up if they realy want to .
thankfully there are hardly anny terrorists in the world ( or people that actualy want to kill other people first hand) weather that be amercan or of anny nationality ( bare in mind that most terrorists in usa have actual been american) .
allso more people die on a daily basis from car accidents or cancer from smoking , obesity, or other general shit that would be greatly reduced if you spent the money that's been spent on TSA to used elsewhere.
Granted I'm not saying we don't need basic security at air ports, ultimately a passport check , luggage scan , basic metal detector , bomb sniffing dogs, and having a general awareness and education of what to look out for , Is likely to provide as much security that you need.
Also its worth baring in mind that the number of people that died in 911 was pretty much entirely due to governmental failing. Typically if a plane is hijacked and flying into a city it is shot down. I'm pretty sure that plane that crashed in country side was actually shot down and I have no idea why the us government would cover that up.


the National Safety Council notes:

-- You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

-- You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

-- You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

--You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

--You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

--You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

--You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

-- You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/fear-of-terror-makes-people-stupid.html

This is so fucking retardedon multiple levels .

In the end Terrorists can always and will always find a way to blow stuff up if they realy want to .

thankfully there are hardly anny terrorists in the world ( or people that actualy want to kill other people first hand) weather that be amercan or of anny nationality ( bare in mind that most terrorists in usa have actual been american) .

allso more people die on a daily basis from car accidents or cancer from smoking , obesity, or other general shit that would be greatly reduced if you spent the money that's been spent on TSA to used elsewhere.

Granted I'm not saying we don't need basic security at air ports, ultimately a passport check , luggage scan , basic metal detector , bomb sniffing dogs, and having a general awareness and education of what to look out for , Is likely to provide as much security that you need.

Also its worth baring in mind that the number of people that died in 911 was pretty much entirely due to governmental failing. Typically if a plane is hijacked and flying into a city it is shot down. I'm pretty sure that plane that crashed in country side was actually shot down and I have no idea why the us government would cover that up.

Like I said, I haven't reviewed the law, but if it gives the government the power to set up free speech zones, then it's unconstitutional. "Non-public forum" is a contradiction of terms anyway. Ok, so some public property is really not public property, but government property. And to operate as a government, you specify these governments buildings and etc as non-public forums. I can live with that (as long as the government functions in question are constitutional). But at the Jefferson Memorial there is no government function to preserve. It's no different than going to a public park. Whether you're on the steps of the memorial or inside the interior, there's no difference. It's a public forum, ...except when it isn't. Government bureaucrats don't have that authority to pick and choose what is a public forum and what isn't.

I watched part of clip of the original dancers. I don't really remember them being all that loud. (Maybe I missed it) But it's irrelevant anyway. Whether or not they were loud, were demonstrating, or whatever, dancing is the issue. And that's not the protestors fault, the first cop that approached Kokesh made it explicitly clear: You can't dance here. Dance and you will be arrested. Nothing about demonstrating, protesting, or anything else. Dancing was/is the issue at hand.

I believe in The Law as described by Bastiat here. Laws are derived from the individual's natural rights, not by society's mindless whims. The Constitution is what establishes the government and defines it's responsibilities.

I don't believe it's a huge issue, but it's not trivial either. There's certainly bigger issues out there that we need to fight, but small battles count too. One thing these protests really expose is the role of the police force and how they have morphed into a paramilitary occupation force taking orders from the government, rather than a force of fellow citizens working for the welfare of the community and guided by the rule of law.

In reply to this comment by bareboards2:
1. The law has stood up to multiple challenges as to its constitutionality (the law is about the government's right to declare a space "non-public forum"). It has been around for decades.

If it helps any, the government has tried to use this "non-public forum" legal concept/law and have been shot down by the courts. Apparently, they have tried to encompass ill-defined areas and control the activity when a reasonable person wouldn't recognize the area in question as a specific defined place. No, no, say the courts, and the government has lost those cases.

2. Have you looked at the link I provided from the original event from months ago, that led to this court case? The libertarians who showed up at midnight to celebrate his birthday?

The music was silent but the group was in a good mood and pretty loud in an echoey place. No harm was intended, but the area is posted "quiet please" and they weren't. So that is why the original dancers were removed.

3. The May and June dancers were demonstrating, which is not allowed in a non-public forum, so that is why they were asked to leave. Not because they were dancing. (Watch Kokesh's youtube video calling for folks to come dance in protest, if you don't think they were there to demonstrate.)

So 1) the law is constitutional and 2) defining dancing has nothing to do with it, it is about literally "disturbing the peace" or "demonstrating".

I am as pissed about the Patriot Act as anybody -- I just don't agree that this demonstration is an enfringement on my rights. The Patriot Act? Hell yes!!!!!!!!!


It gets back to whether you believe in laws or not. Does society empower the government to make laws in its name, using the Constitution as its guide?

If you don't think it does, then .... well. Nothing. You don't think it does. Fair enough.




In reply to this comment by marbles:
Thanks, I seen you post something to that effect the other day. I haven't had the time to look into the law, (it outlaws demonstrating right?) but I'm pretty sure my argument still applies. It's two-fold. 1. The law is unconstitutional. 2. You can't define what is and what isn't considered "dancing".

In reply to this comment by bareboards2:
It isn't a new law, marbles. It is an old law, decades old, discussed and debated over many court cases.

Just wanted to toss that fact your way, if it makes any difference to your point of view.

Hah, I herp derped the not in that sentence. "Why amateurs should not have guns (...)" implying that the cop was an amateur.
>> ^residue:

I don't think this situation supports that conclusion at all... Are you saying this could have been avoided had the homeless guy had a gun? You think he wouldn't have been shot down if he had a GUN instead of a knife?? What if that woman walking by had a gun? Maybe she would have pulled it from instinct, then been shot down by the moronic cop too. I think the real conclusion here is that amateurs (such as the cop) should NOT have guns so they don't shoot people out of their own stupidity who are minding their own business
>> ^gwiz665:
This is why amateurs should have guns and this is why gun laws in the states are also crazy.

I don't think this situation supports that conclusion at all... Are you saying this could have been avoided had the homeless guy had a gun? You think he wouldn't have been shot down if he had a GUN instead of a knife?? What if that woman walking by had a gun? Maybe she would have pulled it from instinct, then been shot down by the moronic cop too. I think the real conclusion here is that amateurs (such as the cop) should NOT have guns so they don't shoot people out of their own stupidity who are minding their own business

>> ^gwiz665:

This is why amateurs should have guns and this is why gun laws in the states are also crazy.

The good lord was looking after him by letting the plane get shot down and having ww2 start ....



although guy seems nice and everyone believed in god back then not the same access to education as now so i wont hold it against him but as a meem its such a retarded thing when people attribute survival to the lord ( unless its purely a cultural figure of speech witch it must be on manny occasions)

"Police said a 14-year-old girl has been charged as a juvenile for the assault while charges were pending against an 18-year-old woman. It seems that the fight was over “using a bathroom”. Sadly this could get messy also for the victim, legally. The Baltimore Legislature recently shot down a “bathroom bill” which would have given transgender people the right to choose which bathroom they would like to use.

If this is a case of a 22 year old man entering a bathroom while a 14 year old girl was using it – get ready for a legal showdown. "

More here: http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

It has been reported by Al Jazeera that it was mistakenly shot down by rebel forces.

>> ^COriolanus:

A perfect example of propaganda: the "rebels" (who by now are almost wholly puppeteered by outside powers)
SHOT DOWN THE PLANE!
In order to convince the useful idiots that we should shoot first and ask questions later.


You might want to learn about a situation before you critique it.

This is a Civil War.
The opposition wants Gaddafi to be imprisoned.
They want the United Nations or some Muslim power or a giant sky parent to punish Gaddafi.

That's the only reason they are still fighting.
A sense of principle for all the shit he put them thru.

I feel it'd benefit you to stop, think and empathize,

..before you go jerk off to your conspiracy fantasies

A perfect example of propaganda: the "rebels" (who by now are almost wholly puppeteered by outside powers)

SHOT DOWN THE PLANE!

In order to convince the useful idiots that we should shoot first and ask questions later.

I just like how they throw in gerrymandering at the end. They tried to do this in Utah last year to keep democratic winners at a minimum.

If you wish to know why: Salt Lake City, it's northern neighbor city, Ogden, and the city that had most of the Olympic events, Park City, all vote democratic. However, the farther south of Salt lake City the more republicans you find. The only reason they vote Republican is for some reason we've yet to figure out in the main valley is why they vote Republican. These are typically good 'ol church going or listening to Rush/Beck type people and have a LARGE tendency of group-think and block voting.

In other words we always get screwed over (even in the suburbs) by this demographic. It's the same demographic that screwed over California on prop 8. The block or: "your religion wants you to vote this way" (which I see as a huge state versus religion debate that should be brought up) works VERY well. It's very tiring to watch it happen in EVERY election, but people are getting smarter as the cities, specifically, along the Wasatch Front (the western edge of the Rocky Mountains end in a huge corridor that runs N/S from southern Idaho to Southern Utah--close to Las Vegas) that are natural valleys that form every 40-70 miles and end with the mountain ranges on both sides "cutting off" the metropolitan areas forming about six major areas, and then some cities off to the east of the mountains (not many, some of them are: Moab, Tooele, Price, Vernal, etc...). Most of the populace lives in this area and it distinctly follows I-15 which runs straight into Los Angeles.

Strangely enough the more people that live in more urban type environments with lots of people, these people tend to have a democratic or atleast a very moderate republican stance. The smaller cities ALL vote republican. In other words, Salt Lake City is held hostage by Utah's small cities and developing cities along the I-15 corridor or cities that are not located next to I-15 and of course Utah County, just south of Salt Lake City or Salt Lake County (which has many cities, Provo being the biggest; but more importantly it has BYU; hence it's almost inane voting standard).

The politicians wish to divide Salt Lake County into an area unable to vote democratically as they would group us with just enough "typical republican voters" as to make our votes worthless. This got shot down last year, but I have no idea about this year. With our new law passed I can't even look to see if they're trying to do this--which is probably why they wanted to do this anyway.

Lots of these politicians were going to get kicked out in the next election cycle, some did. But, they got replaced by a worse setup: Tea Party or Glenn Beck followers that hide behind the all magical (R). The populace loving their block voting voted these idiots right in and of course the laws this year are inane. Mike Lee would be an example of this.

It should also be known that the LDS/Mormon church owns quite a bit of media in and around this area (the biggest is called Deseret, but there are a few more). The reach of this media reaches a lot of areas in the Intermountain West or Intermountain Region (which is HUGE): Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, California, Oregon, Idaho and Washington--there may be more, but the largest stronghold is Wyoming, Utah, California (around the Sierra Nevada and north), and Idaho. KSL (at KSL.com) is the LDS churches right arm in Utah and in the regions I listed above; it's also the churches direct feed to their semi-annual conferences that are followed by members voraciously. Many people consider coming to Utah to see the conferences much like a pilgrimage you see in other religions.

Wyoming and Idaho, as they do not have major news/media stations (or atleast in the past they didn't-this is still true for western Wyoming), KSL fills that void, as the church and the members have more than enough money to make this a very far reaching media outlet for the Intermountain West/Region. KSL plays it's role well when it comes to group-think and spreading the ideas created by the church and even LDS politicians, along with the churches run newspaper "Deseret News"; with the "satanic" or democratic/moderately conservative and more level headed news publication provided by "The Salt Lake Tribune" which is a very good newspaper. Even if you're a republican and not LDS, you'll find it to be a good source for news for anyone that isn't a "Republican Mormon"; they are very centrist in their opinions and provide a VERY MUCH needed counterweight in the region. KSL tends to follow Deseret News or likewise, Deseret News follows KSL--obviously following the LDS churches thoughts and opinions on subjects. Though they tend to do fine as long as they're ONLY reporting the news, like a breaking story...

Anything that has time to become an op-ed becomes an obvious religiously slanted opinion and more annoyingly, lately (the last decade or so), it has a politically charged republican view. Recently some Tea Party views have crept in. The LDS church doesn't seem to like or hate the tea party and I've never heard an opinion making their stance on that issue official at any level; but, at the same time I know a lot of Mormons that love Glenn Beck and Rush, so that situation to me seems "fuzzy" at best. As the church has never reprimanded Glenn Beck (as far as I know). If I said some of the same things that Glenn Beck has, would most certainly be incurring a disfellowship or even a excommunication. I'm an atheist, so if I made that known I'd certainly get the excommunication. But, you may need to go to the meeting to see that happen; which I wouldn't--I'd have to ask someone more "in the know" to get an idea what would happen as even when I was a Mormon no one ever talked about these meetings, they were taboo. Anyway...

Typically the Intermountain West or Intermountain Region is the "Mountain States or the Sierra Nevada, Cascades, and the Rocky Mountains" and the "Great Basin or Intermontane Plateaus and Colorado Plateau". Which is VERY large.

So that is my experience with church vs. state and the members of said faith trying to hoodwink others by using gerrymandering or other unscrupulous ways to change the vote in their favor. These people should be the excommunicated ones... But, since they aren't it makes me think MUCH less of the LDS church (but, since Proposition 8 I've had little faith that they were anything, but another religion trying to force people to see things there way--there is no middle ground). So if you live in "The Intermountain West", which is a huge region, make sure you find out who is behind your media. You may be surprised.

I think that should cover everything I wanted to say.

>> ^AntiClimax:

Most jet fuel, even if it was exposed to that spark, wouldn't combust. It's very similar to diesel in that it's hard to ignite without being aerosolized and compressed. Not to say it can't happen, but without those factors the reaction is unlikely to sustain itself even if it did get ignited.
Veteran truck drivers will freak out the new guys by throwing lit cigarettes in their fuel tanks when they finish filling and more often than not a lit match will snuff out if you drop it in diesel.


Absolutely correct. That's one reason I believe TWA 800 was shot down--not a fuel tank explosion like the cover-up says.

>> ^Yogi:

Bill Maher's comment about people who don't get the joke (Fuck Them) is basically how I feel about new tv shows today. Monty Pythons Flying Circus was one of the best shows ever created...yet if it was being piloted today, it would be shot down by one stupid executive out of thousands reviewing it with a hard on for power and shutting things down.
The TV business is now an inverted pyramid...with a lot of bullshit suits at the top with very little talent at the bottom making watered down all inclusive bullshit shows for morons. Sometimes some quality sneaks through like Community...but even good shows like Modern Family are looking homogenized and "Cosbyish" in some episodes.
You don't like a new interesting TV show? You don't get the jokes they're throwing? Look in a mirror and say "Fuck You" and leave people alone.


EXACTLY... and that is why I don't have TV service. It is just a pile of crap put together to keep the mindless in their mindless state, broadcast commercials to keep corporations rich, and to feed establishment propaganda to the masses to keep them mentally in-line with the status-quo.

Olbermann went up against the status-quo and criticized the government. That is why he is going off the air. That is why he was 'let go'.

Bill Maher's comment about people who don't get the joke (Fuck Them) is basically how I feel about new tv shows today. Monty Pythons Flying Circus was one of the best shows ever created...yet if it was being piloted today, it would be shot down by one stupid executive out of thousands reviewing it with a hard on for power and shutting things down.

The TV business is now an inverted pyramid...with a lot of bullshit suits at the top with very little talent at the bottom making watered down all inclusive bullshit shows for morons. Sometimes some quality sneaks through like Community...but even good shows like Modern Family are looking homogenized and "Cosbyish" in some episodes.

You don't like a new interesting TV show? You don't get the jokes they're throwing? Look in a mirror and say "Fuck You" and leave people alone.