I got hooked on Vice ever since watching Shane Smith doing coverage on North Korean labor camps in Russia (http://www.vice.com/vice-news/north-korean-labor-camps-full-length). This guy always seemed to know what was going on and what kind of games the people were trying to play on him, despite him coming from a non-native culture. I've never seen a Westerner fully understand the intricate socio-political games the locals play except for Shane Smith (http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3).

Not even Lisa Ling, who is of Asian descent, was able to fully grasp what the North Koreans were thinking or behaving a certain way when in front of a camera. The documentary she did on North Korea really lacked fundamental understanding of North Korean life and focused on sensationalist stuff. It was really disgusting (http://youtu.be/A_268_pBvPs). Shane on the other hand focuses more on how power and economy works in the given environment. He sees the situation from multiple angles, identifies where the motive is coming from, rather than just taking in everything as fact (which most of young Vice correspondents does), then starts playing the game with the locals. The man really is intelligent.


I've read a NYTimes article about Shane Smith some time ago wanting to be a playboy millionaire like Tom Freston lol (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/fashion/19upclose.html?pagewanted=all)

Also there's a whole Vice episode about the company and Shane Smith's background. I'm watching it right now (http://www.vice.com/spike-spends-saturday-with/shane-smith-part-1)

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They go out of their way to do edgy topics though. I think you're right a bunch of the docs I've watched from them have gone nowhere. Like they gave an ambitious person a camera and said "Go!" . But more than not they do good docs. My biggest problem with Vice is their site is shit and they haven't figured out how they want to distribute their content online. They DCMA other people posting their stuff pretty quickly but don't post their own stuff themselves in a good way if at all. I heard the owner himself say his website is shit. The new youtube channel isn't very good either. My impression is that he doesn't care, but maybe it's just him becoming a billionaire and the documentary side of his empire not being a priority.

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One: Do you believe that Randall should live or die? Plus your reasoning for it. I would suggest remembering his time in town (episode 10) and what he said to Daryl and Karl.

1: I think Randall will say or do whatever it takes to stay alive. He sees a weakness in their group's mindset and tries to play on it. He took the wrong approach with Karl. However his former group left him to die. He knew of the girl and her farm. Why did he not lead his former group to the farm for supplies at least if he a true member of it? I think he realizes numbers = better chance of survival and that the group we're seeing in the story is not very structured or strong. In the end, not living in a zombieland, he should live. However with the story how it is, and how he manipulated and saw how much the group who normally wouldn't have killed outright tried to kill him AFTER beating his ass....I think they need to kill him. I don't agree with it, I can understand it though. He will be the guy who sets the precedent that if they kill him, all future humans (but probably not women or children) will be killed. If they don't kill him, he will betray them and prove their decision wrong.

2: Karl sees everyone he doesn't know as a walker. Whether they are or not. I think seeing the walker kill Dale with it likely being Karl's fault has probably locked in his reaction from here on out. His only exception will be young women, due to Sophia. As for confession of possibly leading the walker, I think at the moment he's leading towards Shane in character so he probably will not confess to anything to the current group. Although I think it will come out eventually because this show is drama more than anything else.

3: Right time? Probably. Immediate reaction was: This is just stupid, he walked off alone into the dark, saw a torn apart cow and just froze like he was confused as to what possible could have caused it. The effect on the group will be seeing the world as uglier but acting as if it wasn't in his name, and it will be largely negative and become a plot device on how they will screw themselves going forward. I don't see Dale as a member with power, Glenn will take up his role and Glenn has actual juice to make it happen since he's the go to guy for getting supplies. There may be the possibility of Daryl and Glenn sharing the role Dale played as the group conscience since Daryl has been on the outs and needs to be brought back in. I have no idea on the television politics, but his character was doing less and less each episode. At least before he was keeping the RV running and things organized. Anymore he barely appeared in the episodes in any significant role. Daryl, Glenn, and Andrea were doing significant amounts of sitting on the RV and playing lookout.

Personally I'd like to see Daryl replace Dale and then have the other "big" group headed up by Daryl's brother who lost the hand in Season 1. Hopefully it'll be action based and cleverness instead of drama and talking. Where Glenn and Daryl are more fixtures in the series, because Im tired of hearing about the baby/pregnancy and Hershel's family is largely just boring as all hell. And that farm looks like possibly the worst possible place to pick for fortifying and they have done nothing to prepare it......like boarding the lower windows.

I may have to look into the books.....in the middle of some other books right now though.

Lots of stuff bugs me about this show. I know the farm is to keep budgets down, but they added a shitload of recurring characters at the same time as they picked a dull setting....so Im not sure how that saved them money.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

So did little Karl kill Randall in the book? It would be a great plot point: he fucks up by letting the zombie go and wants to redeem himself for dales death by killing Randall. It also gets the group off the hook from having to make a tough moral dilemma, much like Shane did when he let the zombies out of the barn.


Since you seem to insist on letting yourself be despoiled, I'll tell you:

Karl kills Shane in the book. And pretty early on too. Simply for messing with his dad.

DFT: Read the effing books.

So did little Karl kill Randall in the book? It would be a great plot point: he fucks up by letting the zombie go and wants to redeem himself for dales death by killing Randall. It also gets the group off the hook from having to make a tough moral dilemma, much like Shane did when he let the zombies out of the barn.

>> Do you believe that Randall should live or die?

He has to die. He's a liar and a manipulator and cannot be trusted. He claims he "ain't like them," but is darned eager to get back to them, as he told Carl. Also, he illustrated his lack of value for human life on the roof and when Shane was trapped in the bus. His freedom is a direct threat to the farm.

>> What is going on with Karl?

He's becoming a young man and wants to prove himself a big boy who can take care of himself and kill emotionless like the grown-ups.

>> How should his parents approach this situation?

They have to beat into his brain the seriousness and value of all their actions. Still, growing up in Zombieland, he's going to be screwed up no matter what.

>> Lastly, do you think Karl will fess up about that zombie and the situation that occurred earlier--possibly his scent leading the zombie back to the camp for all we know--that zombie wasn't exactly going the right way beforehand...?

I think Carl might fess up if he still has enough of a conscience left, but I don't think it matters either way. So what if he happened to be a zombie he freed. It could have come from anywhere. It's Dale's carelessness that got him killed.

>> Do you think it was the right time to kill off Dale?

It was the PERFECT time to execute Dale, especially because I was rooting for him to die the entire episode.

>> What was your IMMEDIATE reaction when he was torn open and you KNEW he was a dead man?

When we saw his body get ripped open, my wife and I high-fived and applauded his demise.

>> How will this affect the group: positives/negatives?

Dale will be held as something of a martyr. The message he kept whining about is going to echo in their heads and they're going to reconsider his words and they'll all be much more sensitive to the Randal situation. (The writers just need more inner strife and everyone agreeing to an execution without Dale is too easy, so they'll have to argue more now and give the viewers more drama.)

>> Lastly, who do you think will take up the "power vacuum" left by Dale--for this we'll assume it's NOT Rick as he is the leader?

It's too big a statement to say Dale had any power. His only power was nagging everyone to see things his way.

>> Also if you wish you talk about whether you think "Television Politics" played a part in the, what some would call, his "early death" and to the point, leaving of the series?

I think it was beautiful that he was crying so desperately for the entire episode about shooting a guy in the head only to be shot in the head in the end. It was obviously designed that way, but it was still very nice.

They do eventually move from the farm to another location (I'll try to keep spoilers at a minimum) in the graphic novels, but they've also veered off from the novels quite a bit, so who knows what Kirkman and the writers have up their sleeves. I have a feeling that they're taking the cookie cutter approach though; one whole season on the farm, the next season in the next location. Probably to save on budget. So they'll be fartin' around on the farm for a few more episodes, probably to let Randall escape, then involve the other group, forcing them to move onto the next location.

As for the Governor (who is the main baddie of the next group) it could be Merle. Hell, they could twist it and have Shane wind up defecting and coming back with a vengeance. Or it could be a new actor.

As for Dale dying, I get now why they killed him off. Look at the uproar its caused. What better way to introduce drama and drive up ratings? I'll miss Jeff DeMunn on the show though; he's a great actor. Been a fan since he played Capt. Esteridge in The Hitcher.

@Ryjkyj But if they are going to take the series in different directions, then in order to remain at least similar to the comics, all characters must be fair game at all times. Not only that, but the idea of important people dying for stupid, pointless reasons is also central to the books.

In fact, if the books have one major through-line that would be essential to the TV series if it was supposed to be similar at all, it's this: Every single chapter needs to be an exercise in how you can make a situation worse than you thought possible. Any positive improvement in the situation of the characters should be just positive enough so that you can be let down again by the next major catastrophe.


Good points.

http://properlylost.blogspot.com/2009/02/crickets-have-arthritis-by-shane.html

>> ^residue:

no, i meant the guy right after that.. It looks like he's going way faster than just running to me
>> ^carneval:
>> ^residue:
whoa, what happened at 3:49? is that guy going as fast as it looks like or am i imagining things?

Are you're talking about the skiing? He's (most likely) ski base jumping; it's one of the latest extreme skiing crazes, and how notable skier Shane McConkey died a couple years ago.
edit: you can tell when he pulls the chute, his skis kick forward suddenly



Looks like he was on a zip line. You can't see the actual line, but you can see the handle when he lets go.

no, i meant the guy right after that.. It looks like he's going way faster than just running to me

>> ^carneval:

>> ^residue:
whoa, what happened at 3:49? is that guy going as fast as it looks like or am i imagining things?

Are you're talking about the skiing? He's (most likely) ski base jumping; it's one of the latest extreme skiing crazes, and how notable skier Shane McConkey died a couple years ago.
edit: you can tell when he pulls the chute, his skis kick forward suddenly

>> ^residue:

whoa, what happened at 3:49? is that guy going as fast as it looks like or am i imagining things?


Are you're talking about the skiing? He's (most likely) ski base jumping; it's one of the latest extreme skiing crazes, and how notable skier Shane McConkey died a couple years ago.

edit: you can tell when he pulls the chute, his skis kick forward suddenly

That looks a terrific place to live. Also, in HD full screen, the place looked so clean and pure, as pure as the souls who live there. These people show that humans have the capacity to be SO generous of spirit. As for Shane, he's a super boy who makes me ashamed of myself when i consider the trivial bullshit i complain about. Best of luck to him.

lol.

@1:51 - I hope he isn't saying Shane Warne is a philosopher. Getting Liz Hurley into bed might take some pretty fast talking, but I wouln't say that would make him a philosopher.

>> ^Barseps:

I must admit that unless he's using a pseudonym, I'm VERY surprised not to see Shane Meadows' name in the credits.


Is that why you haven't voted?

I must admit that unless he's using a pseudonym, I'm VERY surprised not to see Shane Meadows' name in the credits.