well, you know Jacob's Ladder is a top fave of mine. and SotL.
but, not so much horror, to me.

so, after careful deliberation, and in
no particular order, as that would be unnecessary, and impossible for me:

The Omen -+- Jaws -+- Creepshow

The Ring -+- The Thing -+- The Shining (The... Sting? )

American Werewolf in London

The Fly (Cronenberg) -+- Alien -+- Psycho

next 5: Salem's Lot, Exorcist, Halloween, Nosferatu, Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
and Fright Night was a surprisingly good B flick.
i'll sift the trailer if i can find it tonight.

the surprise? i'm the only one to mention 4 of my Top 10!

Denial? We're all very aware of our rich history. At least my arguments aren't boring and cliched. You can surely do better. I mean as soon as the Simpsons pull an example (the Crusades) to support an argument, you've got to reconsider the ammunition you're using.

Geez, the Crusades. If your holiest places were taken over by others, wouldn't you want to liberate them too? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

The Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit but it's composed of humans - and humans make mistakes - we're not perfect. This paragraph epitomizes the effect of this:
"Another factor that contributed to the change in Western attitudes towards the East came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah ordered the Church of the Holy Sepulchre destroyed. In 1039 his successor permitted the Byzantine Empire to rebuild it.[6] Pilgrimages were allowed to the Holy Lands before and after the Sepulchre was rebuilt, but for a time pilgrims were captured and some of the clergy were killed. The Muslim conquerors eventually realized that the wealth of Jerusalem came from the pilgrims; with this realization the persecution of pilgrims stopped.[7] However, the damage was already done, and the violence of the Seljuk Turks became part of the concern that spread the passion for the Crusades.[8]"

Salem witch trials - example of what happens when a bunch of religious wackies get out of control - they were rather opposed to the Pope - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

Or witch hunts in general - yes, again, people made horrible evil mistakes, but attributing it all to the Church is again another outlandish and ignorant statement. Here's some light reading:
http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/witch/werror.html

Okay, and the Inquisition - closely linked to the witch hunts/trials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
"Although many states allowed the Church to use the death penalty, initially it was not frequently imposed, as this form of punishment had many ecclesiastical opponents.[2][3]"

From a pro-life perspective, if you have the capability to imprison criminals you shouldn't kill them either. And of course have differing opinions isn't a reason to criminalize people, but it should give you pause when people make it sound like the fear of 'thought police' is a new development.

As usual, something which may have had some higher purpose was corrupted by people with a baser intention - "studies showed there was an initial burst of activity against conversos suspected of relapsing into Judaism, and a mid-16th-century pursuit of Protestants - but the Inquisition served principally as a forum Spaniards occasionally used to humiliate and punish people they did not like: blasphemers, bigamists, foreigners and, in Aragon, homosexuals and horse smugglers"

You know what we hate worse than hateful comedians, eh? Those damn horse smugglers.

Two other fun thoughts before getting some rest
- remember that Pope Benedict was, in his previous post, the head of the Inquisition? It's still around, only it's called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Lovely group. It's so good to have a Panzer Pope.
- nutty things were of course done through the ages - the "Index of Forbidden Books" is one of my favourites. Even in the late 19th century you'd hear Popes speaking of the dangers of "liberalism", whatever that means.

Yeah, people make mistakes, but Maher's blowing things out of proportion and being nutty about it himself. It's like he's creating his own "Index of Forbidden Groups" or something.

1. The Thing
2. Shaun Of The Dead
3. Army Of Darkness
4. Dawn Of The Dead (2004) - Running zombies scare the piss out of me
5. Silence Of The Lambs
6. Nosferatu The Vampyre (1979)
7. Salem's Lot
8. Christine
9. Poltergeist
10. Evil Dead II
11. C.H.U.D.

"The Thing" is my favorite, the rest are in no particular order. And one of those is a joke. Guess which.

A few films that scared me when I was a kid but now make me laugh:

1. The Blob (1958)
2. The Wasp Woman (1959)
3. King Kong vs. Godzilla (Hey, I was a little kid when I first saw it.)

What I posted above is merely a possible interpretation one can possess in our modern lives about the existence of a God. But I have to ask...

If God is as you say he is: why does an all powerful, loving god, allow evil to occur in our lives?

And am not talking simply of evil that men commits in the form of murders and wars, even though many were carried out in the name of God - Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Crusades and so on covering other religious wars.

But events like famine, hurricanes, storms and other phenomenon that kills hundreds or thousands. Or what about disease? Cancer? Heart attacks? untimely deaths of young ones?

The answer of God works in mysterious ways is a cop out. Saying that all men are to blame because we are all sinners is also preposterous.

Furthermore alot of what you says is rooted in the Bible, but if it really was the word of God it should be infallible, but it's not because its not the word of God, it contains masses of contradictions and passages from the past. A mathematics book is infallible, you can't argue with the Pythagoras Theorem.

But because those are interpretations that Man has created for himself when thinking of his purpose on Earth, trying to relate to a being that has put him there. The thread runs clear from mystical pagan worship of Nature and the lands to symbolic worship of Sun Gods and finally to likeness worship in the shape of Jesus. We went slowly from worshiping unknowns into focusing worship into a shape of a man, something that is easy to relate to us. That's marketing PR 101.

To me man made Religion is a psychological need of a person to know that their existence stretches past and beyond death, that inherently there is a purpose to your life beyond biological need for procreation. It is also a powerful social aspect that unites many in our world. However as time has shown countless times Religions wane in and out of existence. In 2000 years perhaps Christianity will be looked upon like we look on Egyptian religion now, while embracing some new religion of I don't know... Star worship. There is a human psychological need to know that we FIGURED IT out, that we know what this all means.

For me at the end of the day man made Religion has achieved social and thought control with regards to many issues, but has failed to really hammer through the lessons that form the core of each - "Love your fellow man".

For America as a Christian nation with a Christian President still willingly took up the arms of war out of fear, yet all sat in the Church at one point or another. Those in the Middle East still practiced cheating their fellow man, abusing their fellow man and taking arms to secure control but each day went to the Mosque and prayed and proclaiming God's name as they detonated IEDs. In Africa I have seen religion come to substitute effort and thought to merely accepting what God has given, praying for a better tomorrow instead of working towards it. Even though this faith was brought by missionaries, their faith has adopted and changed it to fit their life styles. Wasn't God's basic plan is to make us get along?

Looking at all life with scientific, philosophical and historical awareness I have come to this conclusion. However I don't mind that people still seek out Faith and take up religion, I believe everyone has a right to a subjective view with regards to their existence and what it means to them. But pushing it on others cross the line, I don't mean moderate adherents of the Faith but those who abuse and take the Faith to assume a measure of Power. For example - Will it ever be possible to have a President in the US who doesn't possess a deep religious background? Why is that? Where does ones subjective faith stance factor into being a statesman? Bush is a perfect example for he said 'God told me to invade and free Iraq'. Would God talk to one singular man over others? To push forward inevitable war and suffering on so many others?

Then again only my view.

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"You can take Salems out of the country BUT....

You can't take the cancer out of Salems."

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"Salem softness freshens your taste."

A cigarette has never freshened anyone's taste.

Amazing that they could get away with that.

It is absolutely impossible to force a person to tell the truth. Some people may say anything to avoid being tortured, but it's probably whatever bullshit their captors want to hear. This country has regressed to the level of the Salem Witch Trials.

"The truth is the administration and many of it's supporters believe that torture is useful and acceptable under certain conditions."

So did... Nazis, Spanish Inquisitors, Pol Pot, Salem witch trials, etc. You get the idea. History is chalked full of people who will do anything for power even throw out their own humanity.

You get two choices in life: you can burn in hell with QM, Gonzo, Cheney and people who defend and condone torture, or you say that people need to go to jail for violating the Geneva Convention. I think in other times, or other countries, people would be marching in the streets.

Saw OB on this tour. The cool thing, it was at a street festival in Winston-Salem, NC and no one in the local crowd really knew who they were except us art school kids... so we had maybe 50 people in the crowd and had our own private show! They rocked!

"P.S. When was the last time a 'violent malicious religion' attacked you?" -gorgonheap

Do not ask us. Ask the victims:

Catholic vs Jews -- Gott mit uns (God is with us)
Christian vs Muslim -- 1095 to 1291
Muslim sect vs sect -- Iraq
Christians vs USA -- Funeral Protests

Why are those people with the strongest faith always the most violent?

I remember I was age 8 when this was on tv and being specifically told by my mom not to watch this because it will give me nightmares. So I watched it, and I still have nightmares from it.

Anytime I hear or read something that says Salem's Lot I flash back to this. I rue that night I didn't listen to my mom.

BTW, thanks for resurrecting this little childhood terror, between this and that damn clown scene from Poltergeist, it's a wonder if I'll ever get to sleep now.

"btw i would rather have one nuclear power station than seven gajillion acres of inefficient turbines. They are not made of recycled paper, you know?"...

"If you like progress, and you think a fucking windmill is progress, then you're mental."

You're comparing plastics with nuclear waste and you're calling me mental? At least plastic can be recycled. Nuclear power plants aren't made of recycled paper either, and they must continually be re-fueled every 18 months. Do you think they that fuel grows on trees? Wind turbines require no fuel, and need very little maintenance.

Progress is building more safe, renewable resources for power such as wind, hydro and solar power plants, not building more nuke plants.

I know all about Chernobyl and nuclear reactors, I used to work at one. I know the designs are different, my point is that it only takes one accident and the effects on the environment and life lasts for generations. Do you realize how many nuclear accidents there have been, besides the two major ones (TMI and Chernobyl)? There's more than just accidents at nuclear plants, accidents occur during the manufacturing, transport, storage, and disposal of the nuclear fuel. They may not be as big as Chernobyl, but the damage to the environment has been done, and the "pollution" will be around longer than you or I.

Here's a list of just some of the nuclear accidents in just the US alone:

July 1959 - Boeing-Rocketdyne Nuclear Facility in Ventura County, California, A clogged coolant channel resulted in a 30% reactor core meltdown, which led to the release of the third greatest amount of radioactive iodine-131 in nuclear history.

July 1956 - Sylvania Electric Products' Metallurgy Atomic Research Center, Bayside, Queens, New York, nine people were injured when two explosions destroyed a portion of the facility.

December 1958 - Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico. A nuclear criticality accident killed 1 operator.

1959 - Santa Susana Field Laboratory in Simi Valley Hills, California. A partial sodium reactor meltdown occurred.

January 1961 - National Reactor Testing Station in Arco, Idaho. A reactor explosion, killed 3 technicians, and released radiation. The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive waste, and their bodies were buried in lead coffins.

October 1966 - Detroit Edison's Enrico Fermi I demonstration breeder reactor near Detroit, Michigan. A sodium cooling system malfunction caused a partial core meltdown.

November 1971 - Northern States Power Company's reactor in Monticello, Minnesota. The water storage space filled to capacity and spilled over, dumping about 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River.

1972 - The West Valley, NY fuel reprocessing plant was closed after 6 years in operation, leaving 600,000 gallons of high-level wastes buried in leaking tanks. The site caused measurable contamination of Lakes Ontario and Erie.

March 1972 - A routine check in a nuclear power plant in Alaska indicated abnormal radioactivity in the building's water system. Radioactivity was confirmed in the plant drinking fountain. Apparently there was an inappropriate cross-connection between a 3,000 gallon radioactive tank and the water system.

December 1972 - A plutonium fabrication plant in Pauling, New York. An undetermined amount of radioactive plutonium was scattered inside and outside the plant, after a major fire and two explosions occurred resulting in its permanent shutdown.

May 1974 - The Atomic Energy Commission reported that 861 "abnormal events" had occurred in 1973 in the nation's 42 operative nuclear power plants. Twelve involved the release of radioactivity "above permissible levels."

March 1975 - Browns Ferry reactor, Decatur, Alabama. A fire burned out electrical controls, lowering the cooling water to dangerous levels, before the plant could be shut down.

1979 - The Critical Mass Energy Project tabulated 122 accidents involving the transport of nuclear material in 1979, 17 involving radioactive contamination.

March 1979 - Three Mile Island nuclear plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania. After cooling water was lost, the top portion of the reactor's 150-ton core collapsed and melted. Contaminated coolant water escaped into a nearby building, releasing radioactive gasses. A study by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, professor of radiation physics at the University of Pittsburgh, showed that the accident led to a minimum of 430 infant deaths.

July 1979 - Church Rock, New Mexico. A dam holding radioactive uranium mill tailings broke, sending an estimated 100 million gallons of radioactive liquids and 1,100 tons of solid wastes downstream.

August 1979 - A nuclear fuel plant near Erwin, Tennessee. Highly enriched uranium was released. About 1,000 people were contaminated with up to 5 times as much radiation as would normally be received in a year. Between 1968 and 1983 the plant "lost" 234 pounds of highly enriched uranium, forcing the plant to be closed six times during that period.

January 1980 - Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (where large amounts of nuclear material are kept). An earthquake caused caused a tritium leak.

September 1980 - Two canisters containing radioactive materials fell off a truck on New Jersey's Route 17. The driver, en route from Pennsylvania to Toronto, did not notice the missing cargo until he reached Albany, New York.

1981 - The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that there were 4,060 mishaps and 140 serious events at nuclear power plants in 1981.

February 11, 1981 - Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah I plant in Tennessee, 110,000 gallons of radioactive coolant sprayed into the containment building, which led to the contamination of eight men.

July 1981 - Nine Mile Point's Unit 1 in New York state. A flood of radioactive wastewater in the sub-basement caused approximately 150 55-gallon drums of high-level waste to overturn, some of which released their highly radioactive contents. Some 50,000 gallons of radioactive water were subsequently dumped into Lake Ontario to make room for the cleanup.

January 25, 1982 - Rochester Gas & Electric Company's Ginna plant near Rochester, New York. Fifteen thousand gallons of radioactive coolant spilled onto the plant floor, and radioactive steam escaped into the air after a steam generator pipe broke.

January 1983 - Browns Ferry power plant, Athens, Alabama. About 208,000 gallons of water with radioactive contamination was accidentally dumped into the Tennesee River.

February 1983 - Salem 1 reactor in New Jersey. A catastrophe was averted by just 90 seconds when the plant was shut down manually, following the failure of automatic shutdown systems. The same automatic systems had failed to respond in an incident three days before. Other problems plagued this plant as well, such as a 3,000 gallon leak of radioactive water in June 1981 at the Salem 2 reactor, a 23,000 gallon leak of radioactive water (which splashed onto 16 workers) in February 1982, and radioactive gas leaks in March 1981 and September 1982 from Salem 1.

December 1984 - The Fernald Uranium Plant, a 1,050-acre uranium fuel production complex 20 miles northwest of Cincinnati, Ohio. The Department of Energy disclosed that excessive amounts of radioactive materials had been released through ventilating systems. Subsequent reports revealed that 230 tons of radioactive material had leaked into the Greater Miami River valley during the previous thirty years, 39 tons of uranium dust had been released into the atmosphere, 83 tons had been discharged into surface water, and 5,500 tons of radioactive and other hazardous substances had been released into pits and swamps where they seeped into the groundwater. In addition, 337 tons of uranium hexafluoride was found to be missing, its whereabouts completely unknown. The plant was not permanently shut down until 1989.

1986 - A truck carrying radioactive material went off a bridge on Route 84 in Idaho, and dumped part of its cargo in the Snake River. Officials reported the release of radioactivity.

6 January 1986 - The Sequoyah Fuels Corp. uranium processing factory in Gore, Oklahoma. A container of highly toxic gas exploded, causing one worker to die (when his lungs were destroyed) and 130 others to seek medical treatment.

December 1986 - Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia. A feedwater pipe ruptured, causing 8 workers to be scalded by a release of hot water and steam. Four of the workers later died from their injuries. In addition, water from the sprinkler systems caused a malfunction of the security system, preventing personnel from entering the facility.

1988 - It was reported that there were 2,810 accidents in U.S. commercial nuclear power plants in 1987.

November 1992 - The Sequoyah Fuels Corp. uranium processing factory in Gore, Oklahoma closed after repeated citations by the Government for violations of nuclear safety and environmental rules. It's record during 22 years of operation included an accident in 1986 that killed one worker and injured dozens of others and the contamination of the Arkansas River and groundwater. The Sequoyah Fuels plant, one of two privately-owned American factories that fabricated fuel rods, had been shut down a week before by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission when an accident resulted in the release of toxic gas. Thirty-four people sought medical attention as a result of the accident. The plant had also been shut down the year before when unusually high concentrations of uranium were detected in water in a nearby construction pit. A Government investigation revealed that the company had known for years that uranium was leaking into the ground at levels 35,000 times higher than Federal law allows.

March 1994 - A nuclear research facility on Long Island, New York. A fire resulted in the nuclear contamination of three fire fighters, three reactor operators, and one technician. Measurable amounts of radioactive substances were released into the immediate environment.

February 2000 - Indian Point II power plant in New York vented radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured.

March 2002 - Davis-Besse nuclear plant in Ohio. Workers discovered a foot-long cavity eaten into the reactor vessel head. Borated water had corroded the metal to a 3/16 inch stainless steel liner which held back over 80,000 gallons of highly pressurized radioactive water.

Do you honestly think that more of this is worth not having to look at a field of wind turbines (they're not windmills btw, yes I get the refrence )? As far as I know, wind turbines have not killed anyone or released toxic and radioactive materials into the environment.

So the conspiracy spans across the GHWB administration as well as the Clinton administration and over to the NeoCon bastards of the GWB Administration. . .a veil of secrecy that spans numerous Agency directors, their staffs, several Cabinet members, and a few Presidents. What are the sources for this theory?

The NYT article that you cite to was later corrected:

"Correction: October 29, 1993, Friday

An article yesterday about accounts of a plot to build a bomb that was eventually exploded at the World Trade Center referred imprecisely in some copies to what Federal officials knew about the plan before the blast. Transcripts of tapes made secretly by an informant, Emad A. Salem, quote him as saying he warned the Government that a bomb was being built. But the transcripts do not make clear the extent to which the Federal authorities knew that the target was the World Trade Center."



Did the conspiracy bomb Oklahoma City as well as a test? Was Columbine a part of it? Who bombed the levees in New Orleans? All questions in search of a unitary answer.

I agree fully that there should be continued investigation beyond the kid-tested, mother-approved 9/11 Commission Report, but when you raise the spectre of BushNazis, you introduce a historical comparison that verges on the absurd.