Trump is a rapist.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-cannot-challenge-writers-rape-claim-defamation-trial-judge-rules-2024-01-08/

No…really, truly, legally, and factually, not hyperbolically. Not as a fantasy of some nutjob shouting it disrespectfully, but in reality.
Trump forcibly rapes women….and probably little girls too but definitely multiple women. There are a minimum of 26 accusers that weren’t silenced by the (now illegal) NDAs he typically used to silence victims.
You know it’s true. He already paid $5 million for lying about it, and is about to go to trial again for lying about it and may have to pay 20 times that much since he proved conclusively that $5 million wasn’t enough to stop him.

Oh….so you were w-w-w-wrong about him not being mentioned? 😂 😂

😂 I’m certain you cannot admit that….in fact you are already making up lies about what’s in it to twist and turn away from admitting exactly that…but reality is you said he’s not mentioned and he is, prominently and repeatedly all throughout. 😂

Did I say there were accusations of Trump’s child molesting in the affidavits? No. I said that information came from his (Epstein’s) plane logs from 94-98 released long ago….
…but…
…there absolutely is stuff in there about Trump messing around with young girls you fucking tool. One of the affidavits was from the 13 year old girl that accused Dershowitz, Clinton, AND TRUMP OF RAPING HER. She since recanted, citing MAGA terrorists threatening her life and her family and her desire for safety overriding her desire for justice, but those accusations absolutely ARE in the information just released. She claimed there are tapes of all of it…including Trump. There may be more, but I know for certain that is part of the stuff just released.

The things I said about Epstein at Maralago came from the article I linked (and many many others written at the time).
Try again loser.

Fuck you love to make up paper tigers to put down….they’re the only kind you have a chance against. Try again, sucker. Trump continued his best friend relationship with Epstein for years and years and years after he was arrested for child rape/prostitution and he plead guilty. That did not end the relationship, they continued partying until months before Epstein surrendered for prison…LONG after he admitted running the child prostitution ring for people like Trump for the entire time he and Trump were partners in crime as THEY put it. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, he’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.“. No clearer admission has ever been made. Trump was clear that he knew Epstein liked young girls (and we know how young), and Trump admitted he shared that trait with him, and that’s far from the only time he admitted it. They remained friends and party partners until 2008….and we all know exactly what kind of party Epstein was into and it wasn’t “dances with wives” kind of parties.
Never forget how Trump bragged about buying the Miss Teen USA pageant specifically so he could go into the dressing rooms of the 14 year old girls while they were naked and no one could force him out as the owner, and “joked” about his obligation to sleep with every contestant….this is on the record and publicly broadcast repeatedly on multiple live Howard Stern shows he was on. His pedophilia is not a question, it’s public knowledge you turn a blind eye towards.
Also never forget Dershowitz was a strong advocate for getting rid of statutory rape crimes altogether (legalizing child rape) or at a minimum making the age of consent 15…keep that in mind as he denies the reports of him on Child Rape Island.

I’m not your son, kid. You are so far below me intellectually you barely seem out of kindergarten most days, and your complete lack of a grasp of English backs that up constantly. Don’t ever be so delusionally disrespectful you call me “son” ever again, boy. You aren’t my son, if you were I would disown you then retroactively abort you.

Keep fighting those windmills, Don Quixote…cutting down your paper tigers like a hero. I hope it makes you feel like a big man, something impossible in reality so you live in a delusional fantasy.

While I doubt you’ll watch it, this has some revealing information…


Edit: You know who actually wasn’t mentioned at all….Joe Biden.

Funny how weak insecure bullies always seem to think self-centered self-agrandizing faux machismo makes you “tough” and strong civic-minded considerate civility is “weak”.
When the chips are down, reality proves them wrong every time…but they just never learn.

It's a mad, mad world we live in. I may have confirmation bias from the media coverage, but to me it's tragically ironic that people still don't understand "The American Dream" is very much over for the vast majority of people going to America, as even most of those born in America are very much struggling compared to those in the G7 countries. American may be richer dollar-for-dollar, but standard of living and quality of life? Not so much.

That said though, it's still a huge financial, political and security improvement for most coming from the South. But the reality they faced vs the idealistic "American Dream" is very different.

Once again your damaged brain fails to understand.
This set of documents is information about HOW Russia interfered, and as or more importantly how we obtained the information about who was interfering and how….like methodology, names of individuals, what classified intelligence we received from what other countries with names and methods of their sources, etc.

It is not about the Mueller investigation into Trump/Russia collusion that was out in the open… “Russia, if you’re listening…”…”absolutely we want to meet Russian agents to discuss dirt on Hillary, come to Trump tower and we’ll arrange a trade”….”don’t worry about the sanctions Obama imposed, Mr Putin, Trump will remove them day one….but shhhhhh, this conversation is technically treason.”…etc. the investigation Barr hid, redacted, edited, and lied about to protect Trump…the report that suggested he should be prosecuted.

Yes, he wanted to declassify it so he could legally take it and sell it to whoever, but he DIDN’T because he was too busy failing at his coup and being incompetent and reportedly tried to declassify the thousands and thousands of pages of sensitive top secret intelligence in the binder starting in literally the last 15 minutes of his administration, but he (or his people) did take it anyway, or maybe worse just lost it. Someone is going to prison over that.

Damn you are gullible, stupid, and incapable of following an adult conversation. This is what, the fourth, fifth, sixth time in one week that you intentionally misunderstood/misstated the clear and simple to understand position I wrote and instead argued against some red herring/paper tiger YOU created from your own delusions. It’s all you’ve got. 😂
You do this because you can’t contradict what I wrote, so you need to change it to something nonsensical you can argue against. Silly boy.

….But let’s say your dementia born fantasy is correct, it’s still a crime for him to take the binder of still highly classified documents after he’s no longer president. We’ve been down that road before …I know you can’t understand how it’s possible Trump doesn’t have absolute unlimited power in perpetuity, but it’s reality. You should join us here.

😂 Tantrum much!? 😂

I know reading and comprehension are weak points for you, it’s sad and shocking to see how weak.
Another reason to not believe you could earn the lowest of tech degrees…I can’t imagine you passed middle school when you can read my very short clear statement and come up with that. I spelled it out simply and clearly, and you 100% got it 100% wrong and continue to argue against something never said….typical for you because you can never back up your claims so you must pretend the topic is something else.

I never said there’s no tax fraud case, I said your title is a total lie and is debunked in the video itself. That’s a fact. You’re a constant liar. No amount of your intentionally misstating facts or what I said will change that, it reinforces it.

I have said if it wasn’t a politically motivated attack on Joe, Hunter would never be prosecuted for any of the minor crimes he did commit, he would be offered a plea deal with a fine, like he originally was. I stand by that statement. Wanna try again?

Hunter was late paying his taxes…he has paid them at this point unlike Trump who is still over $250 million behind in his NY state taxes and has defrauded the federal government out of at least that much, likely 10 times that amount.
Consider, Trump pays taxes on Maralago as if it was worth $20 million (and he complained and sued because he said that was too HIGH, it was worth LESS for tax purposes). If, as he claims, it’s really worth $1.8 BILLION…he needs to pay property taxes on $1.78 BILLION he evaded for 40 years…according to Trump himself he’s evaded over $700 MILLION in property taxes on Maralago alone. That’s quite a bit worse than Hunter’s late payment, and is only one example out of thousands where Trump defrauded the country out of hundreds of millions. 😂
If Hunter’s crimes are prison worthy, the Trumps’ are execution worthy.

😂 Fake news! 😂
I know you can’t accept the truth, bob. We all know. You deny reality daily, on every front.

HUNTER HUNTER HUNTER…..The Hunter laptop is a long dead horse, just like the election fraud fraud, every attempt to legitimize it only ended up proving how much MAGA had tampered with the data, making it not evidence but propaganda. You’ve been trying to sell this nonsense for 5-6 years now. Nobody’s buying, and nobody’s listening anymore. You can only cry wolf so many times before the villagers stop listening and start hoping a wolf will eat you and shut your lying mouth permanently….you passed that point years and years ago, friendo.

No need to google anything about the laptop, it’s nothing. The FBI proved the data had been forged by Giuliani’s team. Nothing there makes any case for anything besides more MAGA frauds perpetrated on the courts, it’s a well established pattern for MAGA, and it’s a losing strategy, because you keep getting caught! Try again. 😂

Hunter is living rent free in your head, and he’s got a mansion in there with a pool, hot tub, putting green, even a driving range, and there’s still empty space for expansion. He’s not even a politician, so why would anyone care about him? It makes the lying, exageration, and hysterics hilarious self owns by you and yours. Another big “L” for your team…one you just can’t accept but everyone outside the cult has. Reminiscent of the big lie, only cultists believe, and everyone else just sees you losing your shit over your own lies not catching on. 😂

Hilarious how the mantra was “family is off limits” when it came to Trump despite the constant nepotism, but not for his enemies despite their complete lack of involvement in politics. More dishing it out but unable to stand it from your cowardly leader…he was even to scared to testify in his own defense! What a sniveling little fat cowardly baby, cowering because he has something to hide according to his spokesperson Haba.

Nothing you claim about Hunter is true, (fortunately MAGA is so untrustworthy that no one cares what stupidity you lie) and nothing Hunter has done makes one whit of difference about his father. Keep focusing on him, ignoring the same tax crimes comitted by Trump but by a factor of 250 or more…voters notice the hypocrisy and it guarantees your loss next year….meanwhile Joe has rescued the economy in every possible way from the utter disaster and guaranteed recession/depression Trump left,
IN EVERY WAY BOB, INCLUDING INFLATION THATS AT 0% while MAGA eats itself alive and gets absolutely nothing done! 😂

Of course I’m not clicking your link, if ever there was a site I would expect to host malicious viruses, it would be the Russia/MAGA hosted anti Biden pdf site you pointed people to. Why would any rational person expose their computer to attack to download and read your pure faked propaganda? A: they wouldn’t.

It’s going to be so delicious when/if Hunter beats the charges and gets Giuliani and the RNC to pay his legal bills. You morons had a guilty plea in hand and decided to go to court instead with little chance of getting more and a huge risk he might beat all charges, vindicating himself and by extension Joe…talk about snatching defeat from the mouth of victory! 😂 😂 😂

The video itself, and reality debunk it.
The title is a pure lie.
He did not even allegedly spend anywhere near $872k on hookers.
Clear enough?

You clearly want to conflate correcting any baseless lie you tell about Hunter and Joe with claiming Hunter is an absolutely innocent target, but that’s simply false. Hunter did many criminal things, that’s clear, none of which would normally be elevated to prosecution and certainly wouldn’t warrant jail, that’s also clear. He’s no roll model, but he doesn’t claim to be one. His crimes are similar to those of Trump except in scale, Trump has been found guilty of up to $250 million in tax evasion in NY alone while spending hundreds of millions on “hookers” if all women you pay for sex are hookers (hookers and luxury hotels, rental property, real estate, gifts for girlfriends and wives, lawyers, luxury vehicles, clothing, food, etc)

Considering your rapist, publicly pedophilic, proudly incestuous, “best friend of Epstein”, state secret stealing and selling, convicted fraud, tax cheating, Sudafed addicted cult leader, I don’t think you really want to get into who’s a degenerate and to what extent.

I think it’s clear that Hunter didn’t handle his brother’s death well and went on a multi year binge, with all the related bad decisions that come with that. I think its also exceedingly clear he never did anything that intentionally hurt others or put them in untenable positions, he only hurt himself (and by extension his family).
I think it’s also clear that Hunter didn’t have the ability to peddle any influence, especially when his father wasn’t in office or even a candidate during the time in question, but it’s also abundantly clear the persecution is purely politically motivated as an attempt to paint the father with an exaggeration of the son’s crimes.

What is important to recognize is Hunter is not running for any public office, especially not the highest on earth, he’s a private citizen. Trump wants to be dictator for life then leave the country to his little boys….he needs to now that his fraudulent financial empire is crumbling to dust. Trump made hundreds of millions defrauding others, intentionally hurting others, swindling others, etc.

Please take an English refresher course. It’s painful.

I’m still waiting for you to explain how 75% inflation over 22 years becomes 150% increased prices under Biden as you claimed. Please, I need your expertise in mathematics to make the world make sense. 😂


To my dumber than a bag of hammers-
😂 🤦‍♂️ 😂
So that’s a “yes”, you do think the economy is worse now than in 2020 solely because inflation is doubled and you don’t understand earnings/purchase power . 🤦‍♂️
I grant you, inflation is still elevated, but down near 2/3 and well below what other countries are experiencing, so is getting better not worse. Hyperactive economies can tend to have inflation issues, and the Biden economy exploded like it was made of lithium deuteride.

Yes booby, prices have gone up on average, they always do…and on average everyone makes more too….much more. If prices go up 3% and wages go up 6% you have 3% more buying power, A GAIN…that’s pretty basic math for it to go so far over your head. In 2020 prices went up near 1.5% (for items still on shelves) but wages went DOWN near 6% (for those who were still employed) for a >7% LOSS in buying power. See how Bidenomics is better yet?

Probably not…ask a 3rd grader…is being able to buy 3% more yearly better than only being able to buy >7% less than last year?

Earning power is rising fast, double inflation, so are GDP and employment rates unlike under Trump when not only was there still inflation (granted much less thanks to the floundering MAGA economy) but wages actually went down significantly GDP went NEGATIVE and up to 20 million jobs evaporated thanks to mismanagement (NZ didn’t have that problem).

When inflation is barely above 3% and wages are rising at near 6%, yes, things cost more, and average people can also BUY MORE you fucking idiot.
I know, that’s keeping two things in your head at once, so impossible for you to comprehend, but trust me, that’s reality. You should try it some time.
You think you have something because inflation went up, largely thanks to Trumps horrific last year of hyper spending and the economic crash his mismanagement caused but also due to Biden’s economic recovery outpacing the most optimistic predictions…but you are too dumb to see the other half of the earning equation…wages. Since earnings are rising at double inflation, people can buy more.
Again, in 2020 wages went down almost 6% with 1.5% inflation (during a massive negative gdp) so earning power went down by almost 7.5%…today inflation is 3.24 but wages are rising at nearly 6%, giving a RISE in earning power of 2.75%. That is a >10% difference, going from a 7.5% loss of buying power in 2020 to a 2.75% rise this year…and no recession. That’s called winning.
Inflation is only one part of the equation, buddy, and is absolutely meaningless without the other parts.

Yes, I repeated myself…I hoped by saying it over and over some might get through.

Interest rates…😂😂😂 true, Biden didn’t lower rates to zero and still have a stalled economy, he had to raise them to combat inflation…it worked, and hasn’t stalled the boom yet. You claim to be rich…high interest rates shouldn’t mean a thing to you…or do you really carry massive debt and aren’t really rich at all? 😂

As a side note, the stock market is also booming, paying great for those who are invested. Similar to wage growth since many (like me) live off investment earnings.

Gas prices have dropped sharply, today below $3 in 1/3 of the country and $.22 lower than a year ago on average. That’s costing LESS! Try again.

Many staple food prices are lower too. National average turkey prices were cheaper than last year, so are eggs. Try again.

According to Edmonds, “ The good news is that, in general, prices have been on the decline since late 2022. In May 2022, the average selling price of a vehicle was about $721 over MSRP. Compare that to July 2023, when the average selling price was about $714 below MSRP.”. Try again.

American's purchase power is rising, under Trump it plummeted like never before. I know, you just don’t understand. It’s ok boob. Adults understand.

I bought a bag of hammers for $10 at a yard sale…it was incredibly smart of me. I got about 10 hammers including 3 small sledge hammers and 2 metal framing hammers. My bag of hammers purchase was quite smart. 😂

Boob, get a brain. You might ask the scarecrow how he got his, because you really need help. I’ve never met a person as dumb and delusional as yourself, and I’ve known some real idiots.

Try this simple example.
Last week a soda cost you $1, and you made $12 an hour ($1 every 5 minutes). This week a soda costs $1.20 but your pay went to $15 ($1 every 4 minutes). Yes, the soda costs more this week…INFLATION!…are you better off now or were you better off with cheaper soda last week? Show your work. (I’m pretty certain that second grade math is just too hard and I won’t see a reply).

THIS IS WHY YOU FAIL EVERY TIME BOOB. BECAUSE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU RANT ABOUT AT ALL.
GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN THE BASICS.

Your mantra.
“I can’t deny that Bidenomics has improved every single measure of our economy significantly after the record setting abject disaster of Trumps last year in office and the lingering effects of its apocalyptic mismanagement, but it will get worse someday, so Bidenomics is a failure.”
You can’t point to a single metric of economics that hasn’t significantly improved under Biden. NOT ONE. “It will get worse.” is not related to reality, it’s just your own wishful thinking, hoping for America to fail.

Such idiotic nonsense. Nothing has been worse for the economy than Republican leadership. Every recession in recent history was under Republicans because of republican policies, every economic recovery was under Democrats thanks to democratic policies. The vast majority of inflation was due to Trump spending like a drunken sailor with mommy’s credit card and increasing the debt by 8 trillion and deficit by trillions or tens of trillions more before his policies expire. Biden’s policies, Bidenomics, averted a recession/depression you (and many economists) insisted was coming by 2022 and reversed inflation faster than the most optimistic economist predicted.

Bidenomics has saved American pocketbooks from the results of 4 years of federal financial malfeasance.
Trump ended his term with a negative gdp, huge exploded deficit, rapidly growing debt, worst unemployment in living memory, a historically easy to defraud never repay ppp loan program every Republican congressperson scammed, tens of millions of disabled taxpayers and a million dead taxpayers. Trumpenomics had us on the fast road to unavoidable recession/depression in Jan 2021….Bidenomics avoided it and created a boom. 🤦‍♂️

Republican bickering has already led to our national credit rating being downgraded once, costing the nation billions in increased loan interest alone with nothing gained besides the degradation of our congress and the national union. You would happily have that continue until it bankrupted the nation irreparably then blame Biden.

I’m disappointed you haven’t trotted out the still shot of the “fedsurectionist” holding his “badge” that suddenly proves that Jan 6 was a false flag operation by the fbi. It’s what your entire party is spewing these days.

Too bad it’s another total fabrication, easily debunked in seconds seeing as the person they claim is showing a badge is in fact convicted MAGA insurrectionist and self described idiot Kevin Lyons holding his vape, not an fbi agent with a badge. He got 4 years.

This is the newest dishonest insanity your entire party is grasping at, including all far right media, every MAGgot congressman, and all you rubes they got to believe it. SUCKERS! Your leaders think so too, they’re counting on it.

Don’t you think it’s odd that you accept being lied to as long as you enjoy the lie, and get enraged when facts and reality that don’t fit those lies, but enraged at the people telling you the facts and pointing out reality not at the liars?

Well, they have done an excellent job gaslighting truth, common sense, and reality. Opting for fascism instead of the democratic idealism. Replacing freedom with oppression. It's a LOT.

Convicted on both federal counts. Facing 50 years, then state charges with another 50 year max.
Kidnapping or attempted kidnapping a federal officer to obstruct official duties and grievous injury and/or attack on spouse or family member of an elected official to obstruct their official duties.

Linked to MAGA by every word he’s ever said, every crazed far right MAGA conspiracy theory he screams is one that came directly from Don the Con’s mouth, including “Clinton and Pelosi spied on Trump”, his MAGA Qanon political leanings are public knowledge today….now proven in court.

Another MAGgot terrorist, now convicted. More convicted daily it seems, with the ringleader on the ropes with over 90 felony charges and untold numbers of civil cases against him and more investigations starting every week, this week Nevada started investigating his fake elector scheme in their state. 😂

He’s admitted he went there to kidnap Nancy and force her to make a public statement admitting that she and Hillary were the head of a Democratic crime syndicate that had been intentionally destroying America for their personal gain, and would kill her if she didn’t. Video of him breaking in has now been made public, including breaking the glass you said proved he didn’t break in. Even video of him beating Nancy’s husband has been released.
Every nonsensical insulting denial/lie you came up with has been completely debunked. You made yourself a liar and a completely gullible idiot believing the stupidest most blatant lies….again….and it’s been proven in court….again.
I would bet my life on the fact that you are still 100% incapable of admitting you got even a single detail insultingly wrong, much less admit the intentional insanity of the entirety of your claims, but that’s reality. You might visit some day.

It’s hilarious you outed the entire MEGA movement as fecalphiliacs.

“ my solution would be every able bodied Jewish man and woman join the French (or Polish, Russian, British) army and fucking fight…”

I agree that’s the noble thing to do, but I can’t condemn the ones that choose to seek safety in numbers with Jewish Palestinians as exclusively invasion minded aggressors. My 6 million tag was maybe a bit sharp, but you also know that the Nazi’s took Paris and as much as it sucked to be French or European under Nazi occupation, you also know adding Jewish to that carried a lot of extra consequence and danger to your family.

My POV is agnostic of everything save Isreali people today having a right exist as a nation. Which at this point from my POV leaves 1947 as somewhat academic.

It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.

You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.

I will state again, that is ahistorical propaganda and NOT what actually happened. And for my POV, its enough generations back as to be Academic, but for your POV it is fundamental because without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey because lots of parties all contribute to the bloodshed, and many with reasonable motivations from both sides yet too.

Please find me any reputable sources to refute the reality of 1920-1940s Palestine:
-Mass Jewish immigration fleeing European oppression raised tensions between Jewish and Arab Palestinians.(as one must expect)
-Arab palestinians were already chaffing and resisting British colonial rule(as one must expect)
-These tensions led conflict, initially more ‘civil’ with the Arab majority trying to refuse all business, sales and trade with all Jews.
-Escalation followed throughout that time, but in drips and drops and NOT a ‘surprise the Zionist army has arrived’! style of aggression

The violent escalation was a fight here, a beating there. Little individual fights, escalating into deaths. Retaliations slowly grew, with each side exchanging small escalations.

-the culmination of this was eventually all out civil war, and the Jewish side immediately accepting a UN mandated 2 state solution

-this culmination coinciding with the end of WW2 and revelations of the true extent of the holocaust can’t be ignored, it certainly shaped the Jewish mindset in the conflict.

-Their mindset was pretty clearly not inaccurate either, as the immediate response of all neighbouring Arab nations was a declaration of war on the new ‘state’, with bold claims of how quickly the Jews would be swept into the sea. The confidence was so high, a call was sent it for ALL Arab palestinians to abandon and flee the entire region of Palestine to better enable the complete cleansing of the land.

The above is all pretty much inarguably factual, and I’d bargain you could get an Arabic and Israeli scholar together to more or less agree on those facts which is saying alot.

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Propaganda from both sides would like to declare that the Arabs harboured deep Nazi sympathies, and thus Israel was pure and true in all it did. Or from the other side, more or less your narrative of Zionist bad guys launching invasion from day 1(ish).

Both though are just sprinklings of half truths, with anti-British resentment naturally breeding some leanings towards the axis, and even genuine Nazi cleanse the Jews believers. And absolutely Zionists featured prominently within the Jewish population. Neither of those partial truths though make the propaganda of either side true, but instead just an incomplete and intentionally biased picture.


Again, please find me sources demonstrating I’m terribly wrong on all that, but the only ones I can find are clearly biased and the accurate accounts paint the picture above, the propaganda very, very clearly copies the real story more or less with just deletions of inconvenient bits

"Who the fuck cares what the reason they wanted to invadeflee was?"

Characterization matters a little here, no?

"They had a right to refugee status there, not to take control and possession by force"

Which is at the heart of things.

The Arab narrative is that Jews arrived guns loaded and set about pillaging, killing and invading as soon as they had sufficient numbers, while the poor domestic Arab population had only been trying to assist and welcome in the refugees...

Which is ahistorical propaganda.

The reality is that for the most part, the European Jews arriving in Palestine were refugees and acting like refugees. Meaning they mostly just wanted to be able to provide food, shelter and safety for the families, just like everyone else. Most of them tried to set about doing this by legally purchasing land.

Lots of the local Arabs similarly were content to get along.

At that same time though, there were hardcore Zionists among the Jewish arrivals AND there were xenophobic elements willing to use violence within the Arab population too.

The tensions rose as the populations rose, but largely as a result of a large people being displaced, and NOT as the planned invasion you describe. The local Arab population started to band together to refuse to work, trade or sell to Jews. Violence broke out instigated separately on smallish scales by BOTH sides. Escalating violence followed, again back and forth between sides.

I'm in a camp that has a hard time blaming either the domestic Arab population for distress at the huge influx of refugees, nor for the European Jewish people having a low tolerance for discrimination and violence directed there way solely for being Jewish.

I see it as a huge mess, but with two large populations of Jewish and Arab people in Palestine acting not terribly unreasonably under circumstances of extreme pressure.

I think it's lazy and convenient to just declare 'invasion' so that you can simplify it all down to right/wrong and good guy/bad guy....

Tragically it's all more complicated than anyone can really state, right? I mean, if you had a 30 book(10k pages a book) series solely on the conditions in the region of Palestine between 1930 and today you'd still have so much material to cut, you could limit all 30 books to only 1 sides POV.

The closest I see to shortcutting things, is trying view what is likely to happen in the future, and from that maybe what one might try and do.

The trouble being there's so little one can do. The reality is that Israeli military strength compared to Palestine is completely and entirely one sided, and thus Israel can and will do whatever it wishes to militarily. It's all their choice, period. In fairness to Israel, you have to note that Hamas as stated in their own charter, given that same power would've already cleansed the entirety of Israel and have created their own single state 'final' solution.

It's also not actually about Palestine vs. Israel, which should be obvious given the fact of Israel's military dominance. Israel IS really facing existentially threats of it's own, just not directly from Palestine, and instead from ALL of it's neighbours. That state of constantly requiring Israel to be capable of winning an existential war since it's inception has kept things in a perpetual state of near-war, and more often proxy-war with the Palestiniances as the pawns of alternately Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and others depending which time and region we choose to look at.

Predictively, that gives us that Isreal can not, under any circumstances, accept conditions to exist where any party(in particular Iran as the main backer) views the "Al Aqsa Flood operation" as a success. That means Israel will do whatever they deem necessary to ensure that happens and Iran in particular views that operation as a mistake. Nothing the UN or any of the rest of us say or do can change that.