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Rabbi faces off with Anti-Circumcision Crusader

Lawdeedaw says...

I am asking, and this is my main point, which you need to address, can parents make any decisions related to cosmetics? Or is it limited to what you and I use as our subjective standards? For example, can a parent have the earlobe removed because it will make the baby more beautiful/handsome to the parent? It is, after all, reasonable to point out that both are harmless cosmetic adjustments. (And why note that a parent has a right to have one cosmetic surgery but be a hypocrite and say that the same parent does not have the right to have another.)

Can a parent have a harmless lip-reduction done on a child? Or how about removing the nipples on boys? I ask because some parents do have these surgeries done... and it seems you are fine with them...because they do not leave trauma.

Also, we can speculate a bit on the extent of damage, but damage to the body does rewire the brain. You blind a man, you just don't take his sight, his brain rewires to the physical trauma...

Some studies suggest that ripping an infant's dick skin off creates aggressive tendencies later in life. Do I "have an idea of" how far that damage or violence caused might be. No. But we all DO know that physical trauma does propagate violence.

And removing some of the earlobe is not like removing all of the foreskin. All the earlobe and all the foreskin. Just because you leave actual dick skin, that doesn't equate to the foreskin...

>> ^SDGundamX:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Lawdeedaw" title="member since May 3rd, 2010" class="profilelink">Lawdeedaw
Read the link I posted if you'd like to know how to get rid of your scar. It explains the procedure pretty clearly (and is apparently painless).
I understand that you don't believe ear piercing and male circumcision are equivalent. That doesn't mean they aren't equivalent, though. You just don't agree with me, just as I don't agree with you that circumcision is akin to chopping off earlobes. I'd say shaving the earlobes a little bit would be a better comparison and I suppose it is just a quirk of fate that such a cosmetic change is not considered aesthetically pleasing by any particular cultural group. So, on that point I think we're pretty much at a draw.
As to your second point, it doesn't matter that "you have no idea what happens" to the brain during a circumcision. The medical consensus is that it isn't harmful physiologically or psychologically to children. If there's no evidence, how can you legislate against it? You have no idea if eating apples causes cancer, do you? There's no medical evidence for it. Do you see my point here? Saying "you have no idea what happens" isn't a defensible argument in any way.
My primary concern is the medical consequences of the procedure. If there are none (and there don't appear to be so far--who knows what they'll find in the future) and if the process is reversible (which, if you read the link I posted apparently it is) then I don't see the need to legislate against it other than because of someone's Don Quixotic profound interest in interfering with how other people live their lives. There are far better and more serious issues to campaign for than this.

Rabbi faces off with Anti-Circumcision Crusader

SDGundamX says...

@Lawdeedaw

Read the link I posted if you'd like to know how to get rid of your scar. It explains the procedure pretty clearly (and is apparently painless).

I understand that you don't believe ear piercing and male circumcision are equivalent. That doesn't mean they aren't equivalent, though. You just don't agree with me, just as I don't agree with you that circumcision is akin to chopping off earlobes. I'd say shaving the earlobes a little bit would be a better comparison and I suppose it is just a quirk of fate that such a cosmetic change is not considered aesthetically pleasing by any particular cultural group. So, on that point I think we're pretty much at a draw.

As to your second point, it doesn't matter that "you have no idea what happens" to the brain during a circumcision. The medical consensus is that it isn't harmful physiologically or psychologically to children. If there's no evidence, how can you legislate against it? You have no idea if eating apples causes cancer, do you? There's no medical evidence for it. Do you see my point here? Saying "you have no idea what happens" isn't a defensible argument in any way.

My primary concern is the medical consequences of the procedure. If there are none (and there don't appear to be so far--who knows what they'll find in the future) and if the process is reversible (which, if you read the link I posted apparently it is) then I don't see the need to legislate against it other than because of someone's Don Quixotic profound interest in interfering with how other people live their lives. There are far better and more serious issues to campaign for than this.

Mardi Gras: Made in China

rougy says...

@RedSky

You're a very shallow person. I used to like you, but I don't think very highly of you anymore.

You just don't get it.

How would you know if things are better now in China than they were in 1979? Do you live there? Have you lived there? More likely than not, you're going to repeat some happy horseshit that a college professor fed you in Econ 101.

And what exactly made things start getting better in 1979? A change of leadership? "Opening up" the markets?

Instead of seeing the inhuman results of an imperfect system, you make excuses for it.

Instead of asking yourself "is there a better way?" you say "things could be worse."

You're one of them. The borg. The exploiters.

Why don't you tell me how things have gotten better since 1979, and why they've gotten better.

Why don't you give me your sage, first-hand experience with life in China, since you are consistently justifying that a large number of people work like dogs, to make worthless shit, in order to enrich the few.

You know what I fucking hate?

I fucking hate people who try to act as if they're talking about economics when, in fact, they're only talking about capitalism, and usually the most quixotic, pristine examples of capitalism at that.

Larry Lessig has a solution to all your political problems

Stormsinger says...

Talk about naive, Don Quixote-ish goals...

You'd have a better chance of propelling yourself across the sky by eating beans than you do with any proposal to eliminate the power of the wealthy to buy politicians. There -might- be a handful of politicos who would actually support such a proposal, and there's plenty who would pretend to support it as long as they're sure it'll fail. But there's nowhere near the necessary 50% of the Congress who would actually try and pass such a bill.

My literary taste brings all the boys to the yard. (Geek Talk Post)

Tony Benn: If you wont broadcast the Gaza appeal then I will

Yehoshua says...

Gee, he is very brave. All of those British people without access to the internet, who can't possibly Google around to find a Palestinian charity.

"People will die because of the BBC decision!"

Maybe the Queen will knight him and give him a destrier and a lance.

*quixote

What Are Your Top 5 Books? (Books Talk Post)

New Channel Coming Soon (Sift Talk Post)

joedirt says...

Call the channel whatever you want, but can we please keep the invocations to be somewhat normal and non-vague.

*university WTF IS THAT?!

*mind
*education
*learnin'
*law
*medicine
... are fine. (maybe even *higherlearning)

Certainly there are enough NOUN AND SUBJECT words left in the English language. Can we stop with the adjectives? WTF is with all the dark, obsure, happy, sad, cute, *spooky, *quixotic, *exciting

Obama Slams McCain for Calling him a Socialist

Red says...

bedford, socialism will come that you want it or not, what remain to be seen is of what kind it's gonna be : fascism or democratic. So better embark now before it's too late. And meanwhile you could read a little bit more about it, since you obviously know nothing except maybe from those who oppose it, and by more I mean more than the communist manifesto.

p.s. and this apply to all your Don Quixote libertarian sifters out here

Terry Gilliam - Only Completed 6 Minutes of "...Don Quixote"

marinara and dead_tofu hit 100 Star Points! (Politics Talk Post)

marinara says...

Oh, i wish i could love you all. You eclectic bunch of video critics, you internet people whom have such quixotic avatars.

I want to say that I'm a different person now. Thanks to your demented postings, my belief system, or my sense of normalcy is twisted and torn asunder.

Thank you.

Kitten vs. Fan

eatbolt (Member Profile)

evil_disco_man says...

No problem - if you look under the title of your video, you'll see "modify video details" - click on that and you can change it from there.

In reply to this comment by eatbolt:
Thanks for the catch! I can't figure out where to change the title. Do you know if it's possible to edit the titles once the vids are posted?

In reply to this comment by evil_disco_man:
Hello, just wanted to mention there's a misspelling in the title and tags of your recent video - should read "Quixote." Great sift!

Terry Gilliam - Only Completed 6 Minutes of "...Don Quixote"

grubert says...

Thanks for finding this! Now can the title, tags and text be corrected? It should be "Don Quixote" and "Lost in la Mancha". Having just "Lost" in the tags may confused the TV Series fans even further.

evil_disco_man (Member Profile)



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