I don't claim to know much about this, but in the audio it did sound like they were seeking clarification about the runway being on the right; I'd be curious to know their airspeed at the time of the avoided colision; would a plane coming down on top of another crush the one underneath? If they hit nose to nose it definitely would be ugly

That's right, smugly. It's also your responsibility to remove your own head from your own ass. I may have confounded you and others with the motivation for this post but I am not responsible for the effortless contortions it took for you to arrive nose-to -nose with your own sigmoid.

>> ^MichaelL:

Gulf War vet with two black belts?
Hmmm...
Tactically, you don't keep your hands down by your waist when an agitated aggressor is nose to nose with you. Had the thug swung first he would have tagged the homeowner. Within a couple of feet of each other, the first person to swing will catch the other -- it's not possible to see the attack and react within the fraction of a second you have to defend yourself.


Nah he's fine.

Gulf War vet with two black belts?
Hmmm...
Tactically, you don't keep your hands down by your waist when an agitated aggressor is nose to nose with you. Had the thug swung first he would have tagged the homeowner. Within a couple of feet of each other, the first person to swing will catch the other -- it's not possible to see the attack and react within the fraction of a second you have to defend yourself.

Lookit that nose -- that nose has held more blow than you've had hot lunches!

Your missing the NOSE! The NOSE Ernie!

The Panorama programme showed the museum to be apparently using images of the Holocaust to sell its message which Sweeny said had upset him before he was confronted and harrangued by Tommy Davis - not that it excuses the outburst but it makes it a little more comprehensible. I also like Sweeny's comment in the Panorama programme: "I apologised then and I apologise now. I lost my voice, but I didn't lose my mind" - sadly it gave them enough ammunition to slur him once he rose to their bait.

I have an ambivalent attitude to this Scientology stuff - I consider all religion to be a cult, it is just that some have the weight of thousands of years (and millions of lives) behind them forcing certain beliefs and attidutes on those in their thrall.

I also feel that societies are similarly 'cult based', and people have no choice in where they are born or how they are brought up, just in their preferences and groups they join later. It makes this battle between the BBC and the Scientologists a kind of a clash of culture as well, between who can utilise the media better.

Similarly the shouting fit thrown by John Sweeny and the intimidation techniques used by Tommy Davis are the kind of nasty nose-to-nose confrontations that occur between people every day of the week on the street, in bars, in offices etc.

However, having said all that, watching the Panorama programme showed Scientology to be extremely creepy. I have nothing against people, much less Hollywood stars, giving all their money away to a cult if they want to, and even have some sympathy with the Scientologists getting upset at being investigated but listening in and then interrupting interviews with people with dissenting opinions by walking up to an interview in progress and relating the interviewees faults and criminal convictions in lurid detail is incredibly rude and insulting as well as creepy.

They just seem to be incredibly insecure - if you have to follow people around and confront them if you see them speaking to 'undesireable' people then you must be worried about what they will say and perhaps even have something to hide that you might be worried about them talking about.

Surely the best way is to let people with dissenting opinions talk - even if they have a good point there is a good chance a lot of people will still sympathise with the Scientologists! The confrontation however just makes the Scientologist look weirder for acting up, and Davis immediately lost any sympathy from me when I saw him get upset at Sweeny just trying to conduct an interview. It is also interesting to see from the Panorama programme that Sweeny shouts at Tommy Davis after Davis has already tried to shout him down (and we have been shown two other incidences of Davis shouting Sweeny down and Sweeny backing off and letting him have his say previous to this)

I'll be very interested to see whether Anne Archer, Juliette Lewis "and the rest" who were interviewed for the Scientology cause but then withdrew their comments have any influence in preventing the BBC from showing their films or programmes etc or whether they will still turn up on the BBC in the future - i.e. whether their 'beliefs' are stronger than the almighty dollar.

I'm also surprised the BBC didn't have a little ticker at the bottom of the screen ticking off the number of times they used the word 'cult' in the programme! That would have lightened the tone while still pissing the Scientologists off! I counted around 14 uses of the word (15 if you count that one that described Tommy Davis, but I might have heard a 'l' instead of an 'n'!)

I went with a whole group of my buddies from Concordia university, we were like a large group of people (Me, Khaleed, Jamal, Oscar, Mike, Bryce, Ryan, Ali, Nathaniel, Fareed and these 3 other guys I don't know that well). So out we coming pouring from Bell Center, with the other 21,000 or so people that attended the Montreal Canadians vs Ottawa Senators game. Everyone was pouring out on the vast parking lot surrounded by restaurants like Baton Rouge and shit.

We were walking along with the crowd, cheering the win "Go Habs Go!", some guys pass us and cheer with us for a while, suddenly some innocent words are taken harshly (something about feeling bad for the Senators) one guy from their group started fighting with the 3 random guys we met, another started pummeling Fareed in the face. The rest of us got into it trying to break it up, Ryan went insane and started totally fucking these guys up (this guys goes to the gym everyday for 3 hours, oddly enough he's in finance) other guys running in held other guys, this wasn't taken nicely, random people started hitting each other. 3 or 5 little brawling groups emerged, we totally outnumbered the other group by like 5 people, but most of us were trying to stop it. People slipped on the pavement and road, people were kicking each other in the face, punching everything. It got really violent as one of the enemy fell down and someone kicked him in the face repeatdely, I was holding down another guy who spun me around, my glasses flew off but I held him back and down like a bitch. Finally we broke it up, everything seemed okay, I picked up my glasses and we started to move on all going like "WTF Just Happened?"... especially since everyone was from Montreal and we fucking won!

Further up the street the fight again started up again, we stopped it quickly and confronted the guys it seemed like we worked everything out, then someone called Fareed an arab terrorist bitch, it got testy and we were nose to nose with these guys. Someone pushed someone, my friend who held up the fight was attacked and again the fight developed with the same guys again, same shit seemed to start up, but this time a MTL police officer grabbed one of these guys and screamed into his ear "TO MOVE ON". It was over right there. We recovered, and continued down the road, still shocked with what happened. Everything seemed over and we were all laughing now because we really fucked the other guys up in defense.

Like a block down we were all talking, I looked back just to see group running up to us. One of them punched a friend in the back, another grabbed a friend and spun him around, I ran in holding back on of them. Our friends were breaking it up, but then lost it and we started destroying these bastards. I held one guy down the whole time, I got punched and scraped in the process by someone else (I have a cut above my eye, and a big red punch mark on my face...).

This fight got so insane that we actually crossed a two lane street and ended up splitting up, I ended up on the other side. I just yelled at the fucker I held down let go and kicked him away... We all met up in the middle of the busy street and felt triumphant! What an amazing night! Great introduction to Hockey! I just wish I had my camera LOL

I wonder what the fuck all the people in the cars thought, who were passing this insanity the whole time.

In reply to your comment:
“Hold on what, you got into a fight after the hockey game? Details!!!”