The only reason to watch this video to it's conclusion is the same reason people watch Nascar.

NASCAR is so right-wing, left is the only way they can go. It's like if you're at the north pole, the only way is south (apart from magnetic deviation, nerds).

Bunch of conformists, aren't they ...>> ^jimnms:

>> ^rottenseed:
man I love rally racing...why anybody would watch NASCAR is a mystery to me.

Because they go really fast, and then they turn left!

>> ^rottenseed:

man I love rally racing...why anybody would watch NASCAR is a mystery to me.


Because they go really fast, and then they turn left!

man I love rally racing...why anybody would watch NASCAR is a mystery to me.

Better cowboy poets than a Nascar team.

>> ^jimnms:

Does it only make right turns?


Yes. Like Opposite Day at NASCAR.

+1 for Barcode Scanner (it's not great at 1D codes, but very good with 2D QR-codes)
Dolphin Browser HD (better than the built in browser)
PdaNet (allows single laptop usb or bluetooth tethering, instead of paying $30 extra per month for Wifi hotspot)
Angry Birds (highly addictive game)
Andoku (best free sudoku of the several I tried)
Fring (multi protocol chat)

Also, in defense of Advanced Task Killer - it only kills what you ask it to. If you don't get overzealous with the settings, it's useful in killing some of the provider-installed crapware that seems to randomly run in the background for no reason (Sprint Zone, ESPN, Nascar, Amazon MP3 - all apps that I can't delete without "rooting" the phone).

>> ^Kalle:

I heard a rumor that there is one track where they turn to the right...is there??


Dear God NO! That could be the end of Nascar as we know it!

"Dear NASCAR..."

>> ^Mcboinkens:

>> ^westy:
>> ^Mcboinkens:
<em>>> <a rel="nofollow" href='http://videosift.com/video/Who-is-this-guy-and-what-lab-was-he-built-in#comment-1063403'>^Seric</a>:<br />I wonder how good he would be if he'd spent that time learning real drums <IMG class=smiley src="http://static1.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/blank.gif"><BR></em>
Yeah, you kind of shot yourself in the foot. He's using a real drum set, not to mention he is using very advanced drumming techniques. He probably learned to played the drums as a kid and then just found this game as a fun way to learn to play new, complex songs.
Furthermore, you should keep up with the new Rock Band coming out. The goal is shifting from just a fun way to chill with friends to actual tutorials on the instruments. The guitar is actually getting 6 strings with fingersensing technology, and it WILL teach those that want to learn to play, with enough effort of course. On the drums, the ride, crash, and high-hat will have different locations charted than the snare and toms, further enhancing gameplay.
Also, Westy, the analogy you made to racing virtually and for real is extremely off. The two focus on completely different things, one is mastering the course and memorizing lines, the other is having a solid team to tune your car, quick thinking out on the course, knowing the course AND dealing with the G's.

You do reolise that G forces are only relivent in F1 and indy car maby some of the other high speed single seaters and evan then you could easily train for that over a year ? other than the phisical strain Gforces actual make driving a car ALLOT ESEAR as you can feal what the car is doing where as in a game you have to go of the stearing collom alone.
you allso reolise that the teams in f1 pritty much compelaty set the car up for the driver ?
You do know that Driving simulators are not just used for learning the layout of the track right? and that in f1 since testing time is so limited drivers themselfs spend a huge amount of time in the simulator testing the teems setups and car modificatoins that the mechanics have done for them ?
Have you ever played a sim racing game ? top sim racers have to do far more tweeking and car set up than a real driver would ever be exspecvted to do , allso sim drivers Drive FAR FAR tighter than a real world driver ever would litraly 100% on the limit to the millimeter.
sim racing is allso far closer and requires more race craft than the vast majorty of other pro forms of racing , due to the fact you can see far less and people are driving closer to the limmit , i dont know if u ever watch f1 but 90% of the grid hardly push the limit interms of race craft.
The largest fundimental factor that stops incredably tallented sim racers compeating in the real world is CASH pure and simple , you have to be a ritch basterd to race and thats without getting anny money back.
Things are slowly changing though , seems that more and more scoller ships are opaning up offering top level sim racers the chance to race in the real world
http://www.ferrari.com/Engli
sh/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/100901_F1_Maranello_unveils_new_online_simulator.aspx


I won't waste too much time responding, but you are basically spouting bullshit. NASCAR drivers take 2-3 Gs on turns, and that's about as low as it gets in racing. Your point on teams setting up the cars actually furthers my point. Virtual drivers that set up their own cars are not mechanics, they just get numbers off of the internet and in-game time trials. The true mechanics don't do it that way.
Furthermore, you are incorrect when you assume that driving simulators they use are video games. They cost thousands of dollars and are inside of model cars that can represent true G force feelings.
On to the next point, virtual drivers can get exact drive-lines down because they are not exposed to real racing conditions. Sitting on a couch moving a thumbstick is not the same as turning a steering column in the middle of a track. Less pressure too. Screw up on XBOXLive? Just quit. Screw up in real life and you lose what could be your career, car, or just money in general.
Granted, there may be 1 or 2 sim drivers that could actually compete(and do well ), but like I said, your anology comes nowhere close to Rock Band drums vs. real drumsets. Anyway..


Im sorry but your the one talking out your arse , The point was regardless of how many G you exsperance anything below GP2,and most drivers would be fine with it given a month to get used to it. allso annything below GP2 and the G's make driving easer than sim racing not harder , as it allows you to feel what the car is doing.


Lets focus on road racing as I don't know or care that much about nascar.

to specificity answer your points

1) Red bull use Rfactor pro which is likely to be fairly simular (going by what the people that make Rfactor have said) to normal r factor it just outputs more data and gives the team far better data as to what effect there modifications have made.

Lets bare in mind that all the top sim racers pretty much use Rfactor as there default simulator

Allso there is enough steering collom feed back in Iracing ,Rfactor , Netcar pro to alow a driver to become a significantly better driver by training on it so long as they are using annything above a g25 for input. ITS NOT SIMPLY A CASE OF LEARNING RACING LINES , simulators like Rfactor , Iracing give enoughf feel for you to drive reactively , They allso simulate close racing and sim racers will get to exsperance more racing with other people and as a rsult develop more race craft faster . Remember when all the poker players came from online and totaly dominated real world poker players , this was simply due to the fact that they played thousends more hands than evan vintage poker players , this is what will and has happend with top end sim racers. the onyl difference is you have to be a ritch basterd to get into motor sport in the first place this is why sim racers dont often trasnfer its a totaly riged sport controled by the ritch of the world , but this is slowly chainging.

2) The sole resoin that sim racers drive to the limit is that it dosent cost them annything to crash the car repatedly to find the limit , once they have found it they can pritty much stick to it.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WHY THE FUCK WOULD I BE TALKING ABOUT xbox360 ? THERE ARE NO GAMES EVAN CLOSE TO SIMULATOR STANDERD ON THE 360 WHY WOULD YOU EVAN BRING THIS UP WTF?

3) There are a good number of top sim racers that would rape the vast majorty of real world drivers , they are far more or equaly skiled than real world drivers they just have never had the money to drive in real life. If you consider there are probably only what 1000 top level competative road drivers , the top 20 sim racers would be able to compete with 80% of the gird in F1 and they represent the best of the best.

>> ^mentality:

>> ^mgittle:
Screw NASCAR and driving simulators...clearly they are a terrible analogy and basically a thread derail.
Clearly. And I agree with you that RB is great for drums. If they'd only make RB work with real instruments - I'd have had a heck of a lot more fun learning instruments as a kid.


Well, with RB3, supposedly you can hook up any MIDI keyboard to play the piano parts. Not sure exactly how fully functional it will be, but I'm excited because I've been trying to teach myself piano for quite a while. I can't stand the monotony of practicing simple stuff to get better, but I think once there's a game attached I'll be able to stick with it long enough to be able to mess around and make my own sounds.

Also, the RB3 pro mode guitar or whatever is a real guitar...supposedly the only difference is that the neck is thicker so it can house the electronics that detect where your fingers are.

I've kinda wanted to buy a console for a while but could never justify it...these new RB3 features might finally sell me.

>> ^mgittle:

Screw NASCAR and driving simulators...clearly they are a terrible analogy and basically a thread derail.

Clearly. And I agree with you that RB is great for drums. If they'd only make RB work with real instruments - I'd have had a heck of a lot more fun learning instruments as a kid.

Screw NASCAR and driving simulators...clearly they are a terrible analogy and basically a thread derail.

Look, the point is you don't know this guy doesn't play in a band and just uses RB for practice/conditioning/fun when his band is doing other stuff? Maybe his band broke up? Shit, you have no idea, so making comments saying you should learn real instruments are pretty pointless.

Seems like a good way to build up your endurance/timing to me, even if it somehow doesn't translate directly into actual drum kit skills. Obviously as stated above, this works for drummers and not anything else (until RB3 gets the guitar/piano closer to the real thing). As a thing that allows you to practice and grades you, what better thing exists?

Yes, it's beneficial to learn to read/write music, but IMO that isn't too hard...I started learning in 5th grade. Sure maybe it's harder to pick up as an adult, but wtf...it's just a specific written code for certain sounds. It's not magic. Furthermore, why should traditional written sheet music have a monopoly on the communication of musical concepts for all eternity? There are thousands of languages/dialects in the world that all have different ways of communicating the same things.

I'm out of practice, but I can read music. For my brain and the way it works, RB's style of displaying drum beats speaks to me in a different (and possibly better) way...a way sheet music cannot.

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