BTW, for anyone interested, this is from a series of shows called 'weird weekends' by Louis Theroux. All of his stuff is well, well, well worth your time to check out. This bit is from the Fundamentalist Christian episode. The whole thing is fascinating.

I'm not even going to start on the themes brought up here though... not even going to start

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>> ^bigbikeman:
Spoco: True. You make valid points. and I too struggle with the whole porn thing. I love it. I hate it.
That being said, in a free society, one has to make room for this stuff. So Jenna hasn't gotten over her unhappiness? Well boo hoo, neither have I. So what? Where's my 15 mins with Bill O (so I could smash his self-righteous face against the wall and blame it on my parents while I lick his blood from my knuckles)? As for the porn industry being full of miserable bastards: take a look around any industry and you'll find sad desperation, in all it's insidious forms, anywhere you have the guts to acknowledge its existence.
The real problem in thinking here (imho) is in believing that what pornstars do is "Wrong", in the mortal sin kind of way. It's a trapping of the whole puritanical taboo against sex that runs so strong in N.A. society. Yes, people have sex with strangers for money. It's time we got over that already.
What they do is a choice, of their making, based on their life experience. And compared to other (comparatively morally ambiguous) choices, it isn't all that bad a way to make a living, really. Sure, you can rail against it and say that it's demeaning and demoralizing, but then you should rail against telemarketing to, not because it's annoying to you, but because it's psychologically damaging to the people who choose to do it.
But not many people take that stance....though by your argument it's equally valid.
Have sex with strangers; work at Walmart; call people you don't know in their homes and try to sell them something they've never heard of. Hmmmm.....tough call. I have a vague idea of what kind of whore I'd want to be, though.
To to be honest, I don't give a flying fuck if porn is empowering or not. That's not my problem. Or yours. It's Jenna's. If she says it is, then that's got to be good enough....assuming one gives her an ounce of respect.


Yeah, we shouldn't look down on people for having sex with others for money if that's what they chose, but the problem is that in so many cases they either do it and really, really hate it, and themselves, for doing it, purely because they need the money, or they're doing it while reaching out for something they're lacking in their relationships. Have a look at the movies "The Girl Next Door" or "Sex, the Annabel Chong story" for a couple of examples of the sorts of lives these women have... then you can also look up info on Asia Carerra, a porn star who has been admitted to Mensa, is very smart, and yet due to various bad things occurring during her younger years, ended up in porn also. What about Linda Lovelace from Deep Throat? Check out Louis Theroux's Documentary on Porn, that demonstrates how unhappy men can be in the roles also. (Yes, this is something that interests me quite a bit, because as I said, I would love to just be able to enjoy porn, but it's really hard when you are faced with the ugly behind the scenes truth... spoils the illusion) There are so, so, so many cases of these people not being happy at all, at all... try and find me one who's finished with the industry and still says 'Yeah, I loved it, it was a great job'. I think you'll have a hard time. OR even 'Yeah, I did that, it's behind me now, it didn't affect me at all, and I've moved on to better things' (like someone who had a job at Walmart might)

As much as you can say it's their choice, they have a right to do it if they want to etc. etc. and some woman say that they do like it, and they love it etc. I've yet to see a woman come out the other end and not be changed for the worse by this.

Oh, and Choggie mentioned the rise of brutal and degrading porn... yeah I've seen some of that on the web etc. and that is really wrong, the direction the industry has taken, seemingly towards more mistreatment of women is horrible. Give me a movie where the woman is pleasured and the man perhaps not even at all, and I'll find it more of a turn on, because at least that makes it more possible to believe everyone is having a good time.

the current content of this sift makes this a dupe of http://www.videosift.com/video/Louis-Theroux-on-the-most-hated-family-in-America

^ Thise interested should also watch: http://www.videosift.com/video/Louis-Theroux-on-the-most-hated-family-in-America

It's Louis, and this was just thrown outta the queue.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Louis-Theroux-Behind-Bars

here's some potential fixes for your dead Louis Theroux vid:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4413388146858417528 (full doc)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mrt6_louis-theroux-most-hated-family-13_travel (1 of 3)
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/dmMh1zA6/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America_(17)

The last one is the only one that is, I think, an exact replacement, but since it's not on one of the "blessed" hosts, only a gold star would be able to use that to fix it. If you would rather the exact replacement, let me know and I'll do it. Personally, I'd recommend the first, since documentaries in particular seem to be the unwritten exception to the "no full episodes/movies" rule.

The louis theroux bit on the phelps family is a very interesting documentary. There is this very strange sexual tension between him and phelps' poor poor misguided granddaughter.

Did Louis Theroux do a piece of this Phelps guy?

Thats free speech for ya. Louis Theroux had a great documentary where he went and hung out with them. Seems this lady had an illegitimate child in her youth, I have no problem with that but it does seem to make her a tad hypocritical, what with the fire and brimstone old time-e religion buzz

They were interesting shows. I’m not a big fan of these shows that make a derisive comment on the people they are interviewing and I think Louis Theroux (and Nick Broomfield in film) were the first sign of the nightmarish reality shows that were to come. However, compared to the sneering tone taken to contestants on The Apprentice, Survivor or Big Brother (whether they deserve to be sneered at for agreeing to go on such a show in the first place apart!), it is strange to be able to look back on Louis Theroux’s shows nostalgically – at least he was interviewing people the public were interested in knowing more about in the case of these When Louis Met… docs, or of cults, crazies and strange sub-cultures in his Weird Weekends programmes. I was interested by the way I was never sure whether I found Louis endearing in his curiosity or whether his naivete was an act, and I think his subjects felt the same way. I think a more important thing is to think that Louis gave his subjects ample rope with which to hang themselves!

He is a particularly good comparison to Nick Broomfield in the sense that their films are much more about their reaction to the people and places they visit than they are about the actual things they are supposedly documenting – not that their subjects are not important, but the presence of Theroux or Broomfield and their reactions are really the primary focus and makes them in a way an audience surrogate where we are exploring the situation with them (and in a more difficult way we are also being given clues of what reaction is expected of us as viewers by the way we see Broomfield and Theroux reacting). This is perhaps best shown in the Theroux documentary which follows him trying to get an interview with Michael Jackson, which he eventually doesn’t get – that infamously went to Martin Bashir – though Louis does get an outside view of the baby dangling incident.

The When Louis Met… programmes were full of pathos (the same pathos Ricky Gervais was tapping into when he had Les Dennis as a guest star in the first series of Extras), since most of the subjects were entertainers from a past television generation: the magician Paul Daniels and his assistant (and wife) Debbie McGee who had a high profile magic show in the 80s on the BBC which I remember watching. They were kind of shown up when David Copperfield became huge in America – somehow seeing the (relatively) ugly Daniels performing middling magic tricks seemed very old fashioned after seeing Copperfield walking through the Great Wall of China or making the Statue of Liberty disappear etc, and I think the BBC felt that too since they dropped the show soon afterwards despite his show still getting good ratings (and ratings the BBC would kill for today – in the tens of millions). Then the vogue for debunking magic tricks occurred which destroyed his act anyway.

I remember seeing Jimmy Savilles ‘Jim’ll Fix It’ show in the mid-80s, where kids would write with requests such as wanting to ride a monster truck or meet a celebrity etc which Jim then ‘fixed’. It is just difficult to watch the programme now in these more cynical times without a feeling of watching a dirty old man with an unhealthy interest in children which is probably why the show stopped. Not that Saville ever expressed any such interest, it is just the society has sadly become more distrustful of men and children, and there isn't the possibility of such a programme being shown now without those kind of thoughts popping into the audiences heads!

Chris Eubank, while ostensibly famous as a boxer, was only ever familiar to me from his comical television appearances, which had grown fewer over the years before this Louis documentary was made – probably as he realised that the audiences were laughing at him and his affectations rather than with him.

And I actually saw Keith Harris and Orville the Duck perform on stage in the late 80s – they were very well loved at the time, but again it was perhaps a more innocent gentle humour that didn’t really work as the world changed.

Neil and Christine Hamilton are the odd ones out from the group as they only became famous because of Neil’s accepting cash payments for asking question in Parliament in the early 90s and then being spectacularly defeated in 1997 when New Labour came to power. They were basically just opportunists hungry for publicity compared to the other participants who weren’t adverse to getting back in the limelight but had their limits. They were also minor figures by the early 2000s as well – it is just that they had much briefer fame and hadn’t done anything to be particularly proud of or to be fondly remembered for anyway! (Perhaps making them the earliest examples of people ‘famous for being famous’, ready to do anything to keep their profile in the media up)

They should have sent Louis Theroux ;]

Cheers mate, glad to know there are people out there who have me back, tah

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“Hell-o, found a replacement for yer dead link, don't let it get away, a great companion to benjee's white supremacy post, and some hell-fire-damnation comments from the both of ya!
I have no hyperlink awareness, here's the dead
http://www.videosift.com/video/Louis-Theroux-Black-Supremacists#141395
and the replacement
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Hell-o, found a replacement for yer dead link, don't let it get away, a great companion to benjee's white supremacy post, and some hell-fire-damnation comments from the both of ya!
I have no hyperlink awareness, here's the dead
http://www.videosift.com/video/Louis-Theroux-Black-Supremacists#141395
and the replacement
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4016172415001932955&q=theroux+black
cheers

I've really liked most of the other Louis Theroux shows I've seen on here but I just felt sad after watching this one. I can't really laugh at these pathetic people. They're so incredibly deluded and lost in thier own world of absolute insanity. Many of them seem to be truly in need of medication and actual medical treatment, the whole thing just ends up being very sad and disturbing.