Do we need to make the correlating list of Muslim leaders who demonstrate just as much racism, and far more willingness to kill? As I said before - this is not a one sided issue. People like AL wouldn't be voted into power if Isreal wasn't being forced to discuss "peace" terms with guys like Arafat, Abbas, & other terrorists masquarading as politicians.

The Isreali's elected a guy do deal with the situation as it exists. I don't applaud it, but I can at least intellectually understand it and even sympathize to a degree. Isreal's security has improved tremendously by adopting hard-line positions. Before they were getting bombings regularly. Once they built walls and established buffer zones in Gaza, the Palestinians were reduced to blindly lobbing rockets at random. From the point of view of the average Isreali, the increase in security would be well worth it.

Other nations take that kind of security for granted. Once it is obtained, then a society has the luxury of generating citizens who are safe enough to have the liesure and idleness required to stew in their own guilty consciences over the 'price' of security. What we have here are a bunch of buttinskys wagging their fingers at Isreal from the safety of their armchairs.

The Palestinians have it tough - no question. Isreal is really turning the screws and it makes life hard for them. What are Isreal's options? 1. They can give the Palestinians what they want (which is never enough parenthetically) and go back to daily bombings. 2. They can maintain their stance and keep thier people safe. Hmmm - agree with the people who want to KILL us or defend ourselves...? Not a very tough choice really.

The false premise here is that for some reason Isreal is always held 100% 'responsible' for the Palestinian plight. Uh uh. There are at least three seats at the table. The Pals need to be far more aggressive at stomping out their extremist factions and behaving like a peace-seeking people. Then Isreal will have cause to believe that providing them territory will not result in security comprimises.

And (most critically) the REST OF THE FREAKING ARAB WORLD needs to stop pretending they are innocent bystanders in all this mess. Yeah - it sucked that the Palestinians got shafted after WW2. But the Pals wouldn't be in so much trouble if guys like Egypt, Syria, Lybia, and everyone else was willing to cut them some slack as opposed to expecting Isreal to just go away.

Cutting wasteful spending and avoiding harmful foreign entanglements. I wish so-called conservatives and libertarians had the same goals in mind,

I'd love the US to 'get out' of Isreal, Korea, Europe, and a lot of places. A constant military presence all over the world is an outdated paradigm. With modern technology we don't need large military bases dotting the planet. Build the strong military at home & let everyone else run their own affairs.

Problem is the world keeps begging us to 'step in' (ironically, Europe most of all). They LOVE us having a strong military because they consider it to be 'their' military be default. They don't have to maintain a large defense, because we're doing it for them. I say it is long overdue for Germany, France, Spain, Italy, and all the other EU powers to step up and take care of thier own military needs.

But realistically for Isreal, what is the alternative? It is pretty much a given that if the US walks away there would be a horrific bloodbath. The US both (A) provides at least a modicum of a brake on Isreal and (B) prevents the Arab world from booting up Holocaust 2.0 tomorrow. Let's be frank. Europe is neither inclined or capable of halting Muslim aggression if it flares up badly in Isreal or anywhere else. Europe relies on the US to do its dirty work. It isn't an ideal solution, but the US presence is currently about the only real 'stabilizing' influence in that region. Are we prepared to accept the consequences and implications of ending that?

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
...... Ending the US/Isreal relationship would allow deep military cuts and extricate the US from an unpopular political stance. That's Blumenthal's real issue here. He doesn't care jack whether Palestinians & Isrealis hate each other. His real target is US foreign policy. ..........


And for that, I applaud him. Cutting wasteful spending and avoiding harmful foreign entanglements. I wish so-called conservatives and libertarians had the same goals in mind, rather than feeding an apocalyptic pipe dream in the 'holy lands'.

The Isreali community is insular. In the modern era it has to be said that this resulted as a defense mechanism not as much from internal prejudice as from external hostility. They did it to survive pogroms, the holocaust, invasion, and terrorism. Prejudice in any direction is not justified but Blumenthal routinely cherry-picks only 'bad Isreali' issues while ignoring the pervasive anti-Semitism surrounding Isreal even today. Does that mean Isreal is a guiltless chior-boy? No - but to harp on them as if the issue is all their fault is disingenous and biased at best. It is racist in itself at worst.

But perhaps I mis-speak. I doubt Blumenthal & neolibs like him care squat about the 'racism' here. That is simply a cloak to wrap around a political aim. Ending the US/Isreal relationship would allow deep military cuts and extricate the US from an unpopular political stance. That's Blumenthal's real issue here. He doesn't care jack whether Palestinians & Isrealis hate each other. His real target is US foreign policy. It isn't hard to find a few jackasses in a population by emulating the MadCow/Moore school of propoganda. Find the extremists, portray them as the majority, and wait for the stupid & gullible to march like lemmings. Yawn - I have a larger resistance to bullcrap than that. Nice try.

Who has nuclear weapons? Isreal.

Who has been allowed to build nukes for years? Isreal.

North Korea gets away with actually prusuing nukes. But Iran which declares for power gets shit.

Not to mention the hypocrisy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Shah-nukeIran.jpg

>> ^longde:
How many children has bin Ladin killed?


According to the first thing that came up in Google Isreali troops have caused the deaths of 1400 children since the year 2000... not to mention collateral deaths from denial of basic infrastructure in Palestinian areas that could be blamed on other deaths.
According to CNN 8 children died on 9/11 (on the planes). I suppose there might have been kids on the USS Cole or the African embassies but I doubt it.

So - Isreal, a country that we (the US) supports with allot of money and vetos to UN resolutions has very conservatively killed 175 times more children than the world renowned organizer of killings Osama Bin Laden from what I can tell.

You still want to ask that question?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Isreal, AHAVA, palestine' to 'Israel, AHAVA, Palestine' - edited by calvados

Isreal is Hebrew for Love

As an American, I take this more to heart than I would the same behavior from any other country because we have so much invested in Israel, monetarily and policy-wise. I might ignore it in many cases, but since I'm enabling this behavior with the US's massive military aid to Isreal, it makes me feel pretty dirty.

maybe there was a "no posting vids containing interviews with spoiled,drunk american college students living in isreal" clause.
either way..thats stupid to ban the video.

oh this post just fucking pissed me off.
i have long refused to suckle at the giant teat of iranian propaganda,and what is happening to the common people who are protesting is egregious in its violence.maybe americans and british should pay attention,this might be foreshadowing.
on it own, this post would be noble,even praiseworthy,but to call americans cowards?
bold words coming from a panty waist sitting in his boxers typing on a keyboard.
sad thing is,i actually agree that consumerism=slavery.that most americans have no clue.
but thats not COWARDICE,thats IGNORANCE,get your nouns right dipshit.
so..
you wanna play "horror-troll" do ye?
ok..ill take your shooting and raise ya:
one "active-denial system" massacre of beit hanoun.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/11/13/us-officers-planned-the-beit-hanoun-massacre/
they used microwaves to do this..MICROWAVES..isreal+america,yet ask an american if he knows about this.ill tell ya..they dont.
do you think it is ONLY in iran,or palestine,chechnya,bosnia,somolia etc etc where horrendous violent acts against humans happens?
do you think america is soley responsible?
while america for the past 50 years has been the greatest aggregator of violence and bloodshed for global hegemony.you think they did it ALONE?
FUCK...your stupidity is making my brain hurt..how can you arbitrarily blame a countries people?
the network of elites who use their money,power and influence to perpetuate their own status quo at the cost of the majority is nothing new to human history.
for FUCKS sake boy! it was the AMERICAN PEOPLE who stopped the vietnam war!!
but it was only when the truth of the war,fair and honest reporting,and the revelation of the gulf of tonkin came out.
so instead of sitting at your chair and feeling clever,maybe you should take the time to consider that you admonish a people who just DONT KNOW.
what i DO know is that you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
fuck this and fuck you..
cowards..phhht..
asshat ..l..

There are Arabs and Palestinians currently in Isreal, but Isreal always is and has been a territory designed to be a place for a "Jewish/Zionist" state. That was the whole reason it was set up in the first place. Citizens are not required to be Jewish to live there though. Non Jews live, hold jobs, and even hold political office. The request is more a symbolic gesture than anything else - which is why I think it is pretty stupid for the Arab world to be getting their burqas in a bind over the issue. It isn't like if they admit it is a "Jewish" state that means Israel is going to run every non-Jew out of the place on a rail.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

It is all well and good to belly ache about the ‘hardline Isreali stance’. But to completely ignore that the hardline Arab stance is FAR more extremist does nothing to advance this discussion. Until the Arab world is willing to go on the record and acknowledge Isreal as an official Jewish state then there is really nothing to discuss at all. If they can’t even bring themselves to allow Isreal to EXIST then this whole issue is pointless. There can be no peace when the hardline Arab position is so extreme. And you know what? That ISN'T Isreal's fault.


I think you missed his point or perhaps I see it just a little bit different. I think you were blinded in your desire to defend Israeli or attack the surrounding Arab nations. *shrug* We all tend to jump to conclusions once in a while.

It seems to me that he is describing the Israeli hardliner stance and why American politicians are incorrect for strongly supporting the hardliners.

You only took away the first part of the point and seem to moved on to a response of "well what about the Arabs!?!?" - without recognizing that the explanation portion is only the reasoning for why he believes the American politicians are doing more harm than good by supporting the Israeli hardliners.

Or at least that is the way I see it.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
Did you even watch the video?
Is this a rhetorical question? Yes, I saw the whole video. And no, I still don't understand how Isreal asking to be acknowledged as a Jewish State by the Arab world could possibly be anything except a the most basic, logical, reasonable request in the history of diplomacy. It is the equivalent of asking, "We request that you admit Jews are human and deserve to live."


But it is since a good portion of Israelis are not jewish

Did you even watch the video?

Is this a rhetorical question? Yes, I saw the whole video. And no, I still don't understand how Isreal asking to be acknowledged as a Jewish State by the Arab world could possibly be anything except a the most basic, logical, reasonable request in the history of diplomacy. It is the equivalent of asking, "We request that you admit Jews are human and deserve to live."