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new?
not even close.
i did a story years ago about the massacre of beit hanoun where the ADS (active denial system) had been used but not as intended.
pictures of childrens brains oozing out and eyeballs melted.so many pictures where evidence of the fluids in the body exploding due to boiling pressures.

now i cant seem to find the original story about the incident and all i am able find are isreals admission to the shellings but not one mention of the use of ADS nor one single picture.

maybe it was just my over active imagination right?

Are the leaders in Iran, for all the rhetoric, rational? I tend to think they are (at least as rational as the Israelis), and believe they are seeking a nuclear deterant, not to destroy Israel.

I think Isreal has to learn to be more diplomatic toward its neighbors, and stop leaning on brute force, their nuclear arsenal, or superpower sponsors.

Magnetic sticky bombs from a speeding motorcycle? This sounds like that Arsehole James bond. He does shit like this! Its been exposed recently in song. Maybe the Brits pulled this job on orders from the U.S and Isreal. Makes more sense than a false flag operation by the Evil Iranians themselves.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

We're debating why we were attacked by a handful of radical folks
Pht - I can answer that in one word. Isreal. Next?
...whether or not our military engagement, specifically since WWII, has been productive in any measurable way...
Productive to who and in what way?
You see - to a leftist - your question is unanswerable. Like Ron Paul, leftists view any military intervention by the United States as unproductive. By their very natures it is literally impossible to supply a leftist with any response that they will find satisfactory. Leftists come from a particular philosophy and perspective that disallows the word 'productive' to be used in the same sentence as 'American military engagement'. Heck to this day there are leftists who even question whether the US should have gotten involved in WW1 or WW2 or not.
Other people with other perspectives are not quite so closed-minded about whether or not a military action was 'productive' or not because they allow other definitions of 'productive' to be satisfied. But to a Proglibdyte, ANY US military action is viewed as unproductive.

Bollocks. I'm a socialist and I firmly believe that not only was America right to get involved in WW2, it was right to get involved in Libya recently.

Typical "rightist" attitude. You can't see any nuance or context. The left opposed Americas intervention in Vietnam, in Iraq and guess what? They turned out to be fucking right. Hell, I don't even remember that much left wing opposition to gulf war 1, other than the likes of Bill Hicks pointing out the ridiculous position you were in was largely of your own making.

As for "American exceptionalism", the USA had some grand ideals, and should be commended for that. But the reason it occupies the place it does in the world today is down to geology (it was rich in natural resources) and geography (America has never had a strong belligerent neighbour). So really, more down to good luck than good management.

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We're debating why we were attacked by a handful of radical folks

Pht - I can answer that in one word. Isreal. Next?

...whether or not our military engagement, specifically since WWII, has been productive in any measurable way...

Productive to who and in what way?

You see - to a leftist - your question is unanswerable. Like Ron Paul, leftists view any military intervention by the United States as unproductive. By their very natures it is literally impossible to supply a leftist with any response that they will find satisfactory. Leftists come from a particular philosophy and perspective that disallows the word 'productive' to be used in the same sentence as 'American military engagement'. Heck to this day there are leftists who even question whether the US should have gotten involved in WW1 or WW2 or not.

Other people with other perspectives are not quite so closed-minded about whether or not a military action was 'productive' or not because they allow other definitions of 'productive' to be satisfied. But to a Proglibdyte, ANY US military action is viewed as unproductive. Someone could wax eloquent on the subject, but to a dyed-in-the-wool leftist who views the US military as the chief evil of the modern world, it is an anathema.

"they hate our freedom"

As I said before - the primary reason they are hostile is Isreal. However, from a cultural perspective the Islamic world DOES hate our freedom. The Muslim world wants Sharia Law as the method of governance for the entire world - and stuff like the US Constitution is viewed (at best) as a secular affront to Islam that is viewed with latent hostility or (at worst) a "Christian" modern Crusade to be viewed as a military enemy.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I'd say she has narcissistic personality disorder. If you read up on Ayn's life, she meets every single criteria. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/>> ^enoch:
ayn rand=sociopath



i can agree with that.
total lack of empathy,a sense of inflated importance.
many of the criteria on that list are also under sociopathy but your suggestion seems a bit more succinct.
@Fade
i dont understand what you think i am wrong on or where we may disagree.maybe you agree with her stance on palestine and if that is the case then i submit that coming to that conclusion ignores 100 yrs of occupation,deception,murder,assasination,oppression and a litany of human rights violations and war crimes perpetrated by the state of isreal.
my comment of ayn rand=sociopath is my way of stating publicly my feelings on this woman and that i regard anything she espouses in that context.
her understanding and philosophy is like that of a child and i view anything she opines about with that in mind.
it is also why i am at a loss why so many give her authority....about anything.

So you didn't watch the video then?>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Ah - yet another video that allows neolibs of the Sift to refresh their Anti-Semitic prejudices. Gotta keep that bile nice and angried up, or all that carefully nurtured hatred would all go to waste.
Remember the other week when a PALESTINIAN broke into a Jewish home and murdered a young Jewish family including their infant child with a knife? Probably not. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if (A) most neolibs didn't hear the story or (B) if they did hear about it they couldn't have cared less.
The fact is that Isrealies are defensive and cloistered for very good reasons. Until they built their walls and established their barricades, Palestinians were blowing up nightclubs, grocery stores, busses, weddings, and committing various other atrocities almost every day. Isreal finally got sick of it and built walls, which have subsequently reduced Palestinain terrorism to blindly lobbing rockets.
There's no easy answers to that whole mess. I stand by my plan that the only real solution is to move all the Palestinians to Rhode Island and move all the Jews to Scicily and then turn the entire Isreali/Palestine region into a multi-national museum run by the Swiss.

Ah - yet another video that allows neolibs of the Sift to refresh their Anti-Semitic prejudices. Gotta keep that bile nice and angried up, or all that carefully nurtured hatred would all go to waste.

Remember the other week when a PALESTINIAN broke into a Jewish home and murdered a young Jewish family including their infant child with a knife? Probably not. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if (A) most neolibs didn't hear the story or (B) if they did hear about it they couldn't have cared less.

The fact is that Isrealies are defensive and cloistered for very good reasons. Until they built their walls and established their barricades, Palestinians were blowing up nightclubs, grocery stores, busses, weddings, and committing various other atrocities almost every day. Isreal finally got sick of it and built walls, which have subsequently reduced Palestinain terrorism to blindly lobbing rockets.

There's no easy answers to that whole mess. I stand by my plan that the only real solution is to move all the Palestinians to Rhode Island and move all the Jews to Scicily and then turn the entire Isreali/Palestine region into a multi-national museum run by the Swiss.

I'm not content with my previous refutation. Compare here what Enoch has said of my post:
you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that isreal is the victim.
they did nothing wrong,its those arab people..its all their fault.they are the agressors.
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i am just pointing out that your "isreal is the victim" is utter bullshit

And now I present what I actually said myself:
BOTH sides were fighting dirty and doing horrible things as one might expect in a war.
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the Arab's were understandably upset
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Civil wars are so ugly because both sides generally have some very valid concerns.

If that kind of assessment and picture is something you consider my statements equivalent to blaming everything on the Arabs, I think you've revealed nothing more than your own personal biases.

@bcglorf
there is a huge difference between a person of jewish heritage and a zionist.
zionism does NOT equal judaism.
and to excuse an entire population by what some OTHER over-zealous political party did to the jewish people (NOT zionists) is disingenuous and totally buys into the narrative.
it boils down to that whole two wrongs dont make a right thing.
just because the jewish people suffered under nazism does not give them the right to oppress another people and you would THINK that maybe they would have more empathy.
which ..if you look at some of the blogs regular isreali citizens write..they do.
do you know who DOESN'T?
zionists.

here are some facts:
1.3million jews/christians/muslims lived in jeurusalem peacefully until the british empire amended the balfour declaration.
2.this was a political gift from all the support the zionists gave during WWII.so while the jewish community owned less than 5% of the land the new amended document gave them 56% and hence we see..to this day..strife in that region.
3.the supposed "deal of a lifetime" that was offered to the palestinians was absolute garbage.the ONLY thing offered was a bare sovereignty.they could have a flag..but no military.they could own a home...but not the accessways.
and it goes on and on and on.

but you go right ahead and keep telling yourself that isreal is the victim.
they did nothing wrong,its those arab people..its all their fault.they are the agressors.

now i am not ignoring the arab side i am just pointing out that your "isreal is the victim" is utter bullshit and only someone entrenched in american media would ever view this conflict so myopically.

saying that a zionist is the same as jewish is like saying a neo-conservative is an actual conservative.
totally different animals.

I didn't get the impression he was trying to say "He voted for Obama". It was more like, "This is the kind of guy that typifys Obama supporters"... And he's pretty much right. Bob the Kook believes a whole lot of total crap, and that's the mindset of a lot of Obama supporters.

When I see rabid Obama apologists in the news and media I see a lot of kooks. Kooks who think money just appears from "Obama's stash"... The kKooks at the OneNation rally... Biden, Pelosi, et al... Union kooks... Global Warming kooks... Anti-war kooks... Pro-WTC Mosque kooks... Kooks who think Obama is going to give them free doctors and kitchens... Reparations kooks. Anti Isreal kooks. And now this guy. Go down the line and the people who stick by Obama tend to be a parade of life's losers, conspiracy theorists, communists, anarchists, thugs, and goons who believe all the baloney Obama is slinging.

Not seeing how this is Limbaugh lying. He's showing one kook out of millions of kooks and saying, "Here are the people that support Obama. Take a good long steamy LOOK at 'em...!" And you have to say after hearing the call that, yeah, if you had to classify the guy then the only bin he fits in is "left wing Obama democrat" right with all the other kooks.