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How to respond to bigotry with tolerance and integrity.

ChaosEngine says...

In general, there's a pretty friendly rivalry between the two countries, mostly around sport (we beat them at rugby, they beat us at cricket).

But the countries are actually politically and culturally pretty close, and there's a real sense of comradeship in relation to shared military history (see ANZACs).

All that said, there are some genuine issues of contention, especially right now. The two countries both allow citizens of the other to live and work there. Given that Australia is the larger economy, this mostly means kiwis going to Aussie looking for work.

So there is a perception among some Australians that Kiwis are somehow both stealing their jobs and also lazy dole bludgers (hey, no one said bigots had to be internally consistent).

In fact, this is completely the opposite of reality. Australians who come to NZ are basically NZ citizens in all but name. They are entitled to unemplyoment benefit, whereas Kiwis in Australia do not have the same benefits.

There is also currently an issue around detention and deportation of Kiwis, where Kiwis in Australia (many of whom have lived most of their lives in Australia) who have been committed of crimes are being deported back to NZ after completing their sentences. This often means they are held in refugee-style detention centres while awaiting deportation and are being sent back to a country away from their families.

In this specific instance, I'm guessing it's because the kid in the video is of Maori or Polynesian descent.

Disclaimer: I'm an Irish guy living in NZ who spent two years in Sydney, so this is a slightly outsider take.

Januari said:

Wait... so Australian's have a big problem with people from New Zealand?...

I was a little confused by this? Is this just her unique bigotry or is this a semi-common theme?

I sort of assumed she meant anyone not white.

How to respond to bigotry with tolerance and integrity.

ChaosEngine says...

Kudos to him for maintaining his cool.

But I don't believe in responding to bigotry with tolerance. Integrity, yes, but there's no way I would have put up with that bullshit.

I lived in Australia for a few years and while most of the people there were lovely, I did have quite a few encounters with racist arseholes who would either tell me they were happy to see Irish immigrants ("not like those OTHER PEOPLE") or people whose racism extended to me as well.

Both groups were told to get fucked in no uncertain terms.

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Why You Should Drink More Whiskey

00Scud00 says...

Yeah, most of it was pretty pretentious and douchey. Although the line about whiskey preventing the Irish from taking over the world might have made milk come out of my nose, had I been drinking any.

Lovely Irish dance set to 'Hamilton'

Lovely Irish dance set to 'Hamilton'

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ChaosEngine says...

That is so fricking awesome, but not at all surprising. Irish sports fans are the best in the world. (I might be biased, but that is an objective fact)
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/irish-supporters-in-france-are-being-praised-to-the-skies-by-impressed-locals/82336

Some even more shocking footage
https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/688688267961909/

eric3579 said:

Your countrymen do you proud. Classy hooligans are the best. Nothing like those English or Russians. http://videosift.com/video/Best-Football-Hooligan-Chant-Ever-Irish-vs-Swedes

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Shepppard says...

The whiskey is also Indian, The taco is Mexican, the Twinkie is gay, There's an Arab looking falaffel in there, the baby carrots are children, The Bagel had a new york accent, and if there isn't Canadian maple syrup or back bacon in there, i'll be shocked.

But yes, please, lets focus on the Irish potato.

ChaosEngine said:

Hah! that irish potato was fucking hilarious.

You know, the same way it's hilarious when we see jews as moneygrubbers and black people as ignorant fried chicken loving morons!

racism is fun!

Sausage Party -Red Band Trailer

ChaosEngine jokingly says...

Hah! that irish potato was fucking hilarious.

You know, the same way it's hilarious when we see jews as moneygrubbers and black people as ignorant fried chicken loving morons!

racism is fun!

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ChaosEngine says...

Jokes on you... I'm not a kiwi; I'm Irish.

And if I was sober I would have some kind of epic burn for you, but as it is, I'm way too fucked to care.

Truckchase said:

It was all tounge-in-cheek, but Kiwis can't understand that; as part of any given nation in the world you are exactly the stereotype I imagine you to be, and thus I have remotely stripped you of your self-perceived humanity. I'm guessing you thought you were real, but you're not. You never have been. You are a Kiwi, and thus are everything I think you should be. Bro.



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