I think the comparison of games to movies is fairly apt as you've got your lowest common denominator games and then those that make an attempt to be witty or smart in some way. I think the biggest problem as to why there aren't more 'high brow' games is that its probably difficult to keep the intensity of the material while allowing the gamer to still feel as though they're in control. That kind of limits that category to RPGs and Adventure games. I think the other problem is while it might be fine to watch a serious movie for 2 hours there aren't many people that'd put up with that kind for 16 hours or more of game play.

But this is about sex right? *Turns down the lights* I guess I occasionally see more meaningful relationships develop in RPGs, FFVI/VII, Knights of the Old Republic etc etc. But as mentioned in the video developers risk losing a large potential pool of customers if they make the relationships too graphic (meaning portraying sex or implying it rather than just love). I think the biggest thing standing in the way is that the developers know gratuitous and shallow games sell, maybe its because we live in a gratuitous shallow society, and its a risk financially to try to develop something with more integrity.

>messenger.. you are disturbed. This is a comedy/magic/minor shock act, not a strip show.
Can't it be both?

@dag - other explanation: presentation of the video by the Sifter matters
5 m.o. post called it "Nude Magic! (WARNING NSFW)" and had the tags "tags: just, for, laughs, stripper, where, is, it"

This one, OTOH, is entitled "A Most Wonderful Magic Trick: the "Hanky Panky""
Tags are, vanishing, reappearing, handkerchief, pink panther, whoa

Marshall McLuhan would be proud - the Medium is Indeed the Message - in this case, the message is less "OOOH, TITTIES" as it is, "WHOA-ish Magic Trick".

How you interact with the subject matter, we've just proven, depends on how it's presented.

An open candy wrapper on the street is litter. On the wall, with a frame around it, in a national art gallery, it's art.

I think the sifters in the conversation above have clearly indicated that it's more high-brow than low-brow entertainment, at least in the sense that only the most pr0n deprived person would get jolly from this.

I think this one would've been bounced in the VS1.0/2.0 days, but things have become a smidge more 'liberal' around here, in the nudity department.

I recall a sift I posted, more of a "let's find anything at all" scenario, of a girl just rolling around on her bed. It got a summary admin discard. That, of course, was before downvotes - or even gold star user discards, I think - and other measures were put in place to allow users to decide for themselves.

As the Sift evolves, it'll continue to define its amorphous boundaries. Some will be able to point to this as both an example and an exception based on what else they try to post.

It's a moment like this when I realize I should probably create a SiftChronicles playlist or something to that effect to document such examples. But I really don't care enough to click a few buttons tonight - it'll sit in the Controversies list for now.

Upvote because BellGlobemedia actually broadcast this, on their ExpressVu satelite network, at least, and for the amusing conversations it generated.

No soldier is fighting for my freedom of speech in Iraq.

And calling for an immediate pullout is no insult to any soldier.

Let's not pretend the Iraq war is some high-browed exercise in international philanthropy.

Sentimental self-deception will not solve anything.