"figure out whats going to happen when we die" so retarded and deluded ,

although hallucinogens might very well be a worth while exsperance and help you think about new ides or how you perceive things its irritating how physdo science and general retardation seems to worm its way into everything.

All of those saying this isn't dangerous... BAH.

I was on our trampoline with our three boys (the trampoline is a round one with netting around the sides). We were bouncing around and I was jumping down to bounce the kids up much like this.

Well... I did it once and saw my 4 year old fly up horizontally (he must have been lying on it at the time) and as he came down he put his arm out to stop himself... and then screamed. His forearm was no longer straight, I instantly knew I'd broken his arm.

So, yeah a visit to the ER, being knocked out on hallucinogens while the doctor audibly snapped the bone back into alignment, and a cast for 6 weeks.

I'm not allowed on the trampoline with the kids anymore.

Yes, I absolutely am not for cotton wooling our kids, let them climb trees, let them wrestle, let them do rough and tumble stuff. But that doesn't mean just ignoring common sense and watching out for dangerous situations at all.

>> ^NetRunner:
Not to belabor the point, but you're mistaking rhetorical device for abandoning the argument. The title of the article isn't just "Is the world really a stage?" it's "Why I call myself a Socialist: Is the world really a stage?" He's not really in doubt about where he stands on the answer to the question, he in fact is saying that this observation he makes is one that fundamentally defines his own political identity.

Fair enough. I guess I just read it differently. To me, he was saying that people have so much more potential than the mundane jobs into which they are forced by the invisible hand of the free market, but then kind of abandons that premise by saying that people are not able to fully express that potential because of the mundane jobs into which they are forced. My problem with it is that he only scratches the surface of the real problem, which is equal access to resources, particularly in childhood. Such is the writing of an artist interpreted by a mathematically-inclined reader.

>> ^NetRunner:
However, if we were all to get that same flash of insight at the same moment...

meh - it'd probably be like that moment of perfect clarity while under the influence of hallucinogens. Suddenly, everything makes sense, but good luck trying to convey that or share it the next day.

In my expeience (which is quite extensive) weed effects about one out of every hundred people in a VERY negative way. People tend to forget or not know that it's a hallucinogen.

P.S.: Did anyone else read the entire Harry Potter series before they realized that Diagon Alley was a pun?

>> ^Esoog:
This is about a woman being the worst possible parent she can be. The scary thing is, I have a feeling that she didnt come up with this idea on her own. Im feel sad that someone probably said to her "have you tried giving him hot sauce and cold showers?!"
Sigh. That was hard to watch. Id actually watch that episode of Dr. Phil just to see what she had to say.

The sad fact is that she is not the worst possible parent she can be.

She's not selling her son as a prostitute to pedophiles.
She's not feeding him hallucinogens or depressants just to see what would happen.
She's not letting him starve to death while she plays FarmVille.
She's not throwing him through a wall (as someone else alluded to previously).
She's not doing any of a gajillion things that would make her a worse parent than what she displayed in this clip.

Is she a good parent? Not by any means.
While a cold shower might be an appropriate way of getting the attention of a stubborn child, having them hold hot sauce in their mouth for a full minute is not. That's abusive.


The goal of disciplining a child is twofold:
1 - To reinforce that there are consequences for a child's actions.
2 - To get the child to consider their actions and why they were wrong.

One offense was fighting over pencils. Does the hot sauce punishment accomplish #2? How about the cold shower?
I think we can agree that they accomplished #1, since the boy knew that was coming.

Another offense was the lie he told.
Now, one could argue that the hot sauce is a suitable punishment for the lie. It's twisted logic, as the burning feeling in his mouth is the consequence for using the same mouth to tell lies. I still don't find it appropriate, but I can at least understand the logic.

Bad parent? In my opinion, yes.
Worst parent ever? Not even close.

>> ^colt45:

After having wallowed around in depression for a bit, if there is a hell, that is certainly a reasonable means of implementing it.


No, I found hell and it was being on hallucinogens during a depressive state whilst watching Pink Floyd's The Wall. I literally tore my house apart looking for any type of religious artifact so that I could beg the universe to save my tortured existence from existence itself. Can you imagine being in pure physical and existential misery, listening to your ceiling tell you that when you die it will be far, far worse. Now THAT is fucked up. On the other side of the coin, coming down from that trip into a manic state was the single greatest feeling I've ever experienced.

>> ^Gamble:

No one has ever died from pot? Sorry, stopped watching right there.


Hi Gamble, you seem genuine. Let me add what I can.

I'm going to call bullshit on that French study.

It says, "French researchers studied all drivers involved in fatal car crashes over a two-year period and found 7% tested positive for marijuana, including nearly 3% who tested positive for a combination of marijuana and alcohol."

This study is from before 2005, I don't believe roadside marijuana tests existed back then, as they aren't used much even now. That means they did tests that determined the person smoked weed in the past few weeks. And so 7% of those people tested positive for having smoked marijuana in the past few weeks? Whopp-dee-doo. From The National Survey on Drug Use and Health:

Among adults aged 26 or older, 6.3 percent were current illicit drug users in 2009. In this age group, 4.6 percent used marijuana, and 2.1 percent used prescription-type drugs nonmedically. Less than 1 percent used cocaine (0.6 percent), hallucinogens (0.2 percent), heroin (0.1 percent), and inhalants (0.1 percent). The only statistically significant changes between 2008 and 2009 in the rates of past month use among adults in this age group involved nonmedical use of stimulants (which increased from 0.2 to 0.4 percent) and methamphetamine use (which rose from 0.1 to 0.2 percent). In addition to these increases between 2008 and 2009, the rate of current marijuana use among adults aged 26 or older was higher in 2009 (4.6 percent) than in 2002 (4.0 percent).
( http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k9NSDUH/2k9Results.htm#2.4 )

So obviously among those 4.6% marijuana users aged 26+ there are a lot of drivers who would test positive for drug use in the past few weeks.

It also says, "The study also showed that drivers who tested positive for marijuana were more than three times as likely to be responsible for the fatal car crash. Researchers say the likelihood of being at fault increased as the blood concentration of marijuana increased."

So they took blood tests? That doesn't determine if you're stoned. Marijuana stays in your blood for a long time. If you smoked yesterday at 2 P.M. you would still definitely have marijuana in your system. But you definitely wouldn't be stoned at all.

Lastly my own personal experience: I drive stoned all the time. But before you harangue me for being a danger to society let me tell you that I know when I am in control and when I'm not. I am a responsible driver and there have been very few occasions when I've smoked a joint and needed to rest before driving. It's happened a couple of times where I've been somewhere, smoked a big joint and then needed to leave. I get to my car and shit is still spinning and overwhelming a bit. It's these times when I take 10-15 minutes to let the initial effects wear off and adjust to and get serious about my surroundings.

Alcohol is far far worse, for me anyways... I've driven tipsy once or twice, and it's just not to be done. It's different, everything's just a big fucking joke when you're drunk. I had to keep reminding myself to be careful and not just let go and enjoy the ride lol. When stoned, I'm vigilant.

Lastly, I would like to mention that I feel weed affects me quite strongly. I've smoked a ton of weed in my day, and compared to me friends, I still get pretty darn high. Especially if I've gone even a week without smoking.

Anyways, tl;dr Marijuana is a relatively safe drug and the prohibition against it is highly suspicious.

They *were* but they're long defunked. The singer who wrote the tune is dead now. He was the father of one of my best friends in high-school and in those few hallucinogenic years of limbo post-hs.

I grew up in a really conservative 'old money' city that had, as an alternative repercussion, one of the best music things happening back in the 70s and early 80s. (The days when the people trying to harm you for living outside of normative boundaries wore either Doc Martins or motorcycle boots; when you knew the politics of your enemies by the colour of their boot-laces.)

The short story is: The folks who made it happen had kids, I went to school with those kids, and I can proudly say that if it wasn't for the parents of my mates I'd be a fooking tax lawyer or somesuch awfulness.

OK, I feel bad for the kid. But if you don't maintain some control, and no one is around to take care of you, sometimes you get arrested. It's like the first law of hallucinogens. He's lucky they didn't shoot him.

That's why I think I like hallucinogens best. No slight to weed, but on acid I remember all the folds of my unmade bed becoming a whole slew of snakes squiggling around in my bed and I thought it was amazing, I mean it really did look amazing. Then I remember turning back to the computer (think I was on videosift) and whatever I was reading, only "the" would pop out at me. So I was only able to read 20-30 THE's on the screen. Oh and I looked in the mirror... I'll save that one for later.


>> ^JiggaJonson:

So ya, one time I was so scared of the fabric on my bed that resembled a snake when folded up that I closed my eyes. Then I started to wonder if my entire existence depended upon my senses getting feedback from outside of my own consciousness, and if I kept my eyes closed, falling away from reality suddenly seemed like a reasonable possibility. I didn't close my eyes anymore...

i have some very fond memories of the underground psy trance scene here, from around a decade ago. hallucinogens, strange sounds, eclectic people, wild dancing...

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i upvote for the spirit of underground dance music, which i miss a whole lot sometimes

but if you wanna see some kick ass poi....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPXscVBcng

you're such a closet raver.
knew i liked you for some reason..

it seems there is a predisposition for schizophrenia among those cases...

"Schizophrenia can sometimes be triggered by heavy use of hallucinogenic drugs, especially LSD; but it appears that one has to have a genetic predisposition towards developing schizophrenia for this to occur. There is also some evidence suggesting that people suffering from schizophrenia but responding to treatment can have an episode as a result of use of LSD. Methamphetamine and PCP also mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia, and can trigger ongoing symptoms of schizophrenia in those who are vulnerable."


>> ^Raaagh:

is on wiki, kids used to smoke at 4:20 in the 70s...
Also weed is harmless? try telling that to the kids for whom it triggered a debilitating-life ruining schizophrenic episode.
Even so, legalizing would do a fuck load more good, than bad.

The ticker.."Several new species of hallucinogenic plants, consumed by Wayne."

Salvia is definitely an odd experience. It's just... indescribably odd.


I gave some fairly potent extract to a friend once. I wasn't around for his experimentation, but he was very experienced with other hallucinogens.

He later commented that it was definitely hallucinatory, but he otherwise couldn't describe it. He said "I decided to do it while I was cleaning my house and putting things away. I picked up a clothing iron and just stood there staring at it. I knew what it was, but I could not for the life of me figure out its purpose or what I should do with it. I probably stared at it for 10 solid minutes trying to decide where it should go."

Texting on your phone while driving is a habit learned in first world societies, taught by blond headed rich kids on hallucinogens. Not that I didn't make the connection between the bus driver being Latino -- I'm pretty certain they don't have phones in third worlds, let alone ethics.

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When you hire a third-worlder, expect third world work ethics.