This is overly confusing for my mind. In that, I have concluded that none of this is about guns, and it is all about drugs being illegal. Trying to make crazy gun laws because of bad drug laws is just kicking the ball down the road all the while creating new problem. Start at the root not at the symptom. Drug cartels want guns because they want to protect their interests in drug production to sell to the US drug user. Gun sales to cartels are financed by the fact that drugs are illegal. Statically, for drugs, crime does pay...so well that you can arm yourself with some of the finest guns on the market. This would likely continue even if stricter gun laws existed in the same way drugs still get sold even though they are HIGHLY controlled. /rant

For one thing in the video, wouldn't the NRA make more money if guns are seized? I mean, if the cops have it, then you don't...so you need to buy another one. Or are guns like razors, the bullets are the real money maker? At any rate, it doesn't matter. I don't expect to see eye to eye with Cenk on gun rights, but I would expect him to call out the real problem as drugs, but perhaps that is a little convoluted for this conversation exactly.

yet another reason to vote for Obama. If only to watch these retards pull another "explanation" out of their ass when Obama continues to not go after guns during his second term.

And yeah, the gun companies wouldn't be feeding the paranoia to increase gun sales...nah. they wouldn't do that.

How do these people function with so much paranoia?

Every presidential candidate bullshits. I don't have a problem with that. It comes with the job. Americans can't understand simple truth, and most don't want to hear it anyway. Until that changes, being a bullshitter comes part and parcel with the job of an elected official.

>> ^IAmTheBlurr:

>> ^shagen454:
The important point is still relevant: Mitt Romney is a semantic liar. But, what - do we expect American politicians to not actually lie to our face and not get angry / and put on a huge dramatic show when it is pointed out?

Semantic liar or fundamental bullshitter? I find him to be worse than a liar and I have something that you might be interested in reading. It's from Harry G. Frankfurt from his essay "On Bullshit".
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off; he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.


Yeah, there are enough nuts out there like you to sway gun sales figures for fear that Obama or some other Democrat is gonna take yer guns! Meanwhile, Obama's most significant legislation pertaining to gun control is ALLOWING people to take guns into national parks. While bullshitting is an unfortunately necessary part of life, it actually has to be believable.

>> ^quantumushroom:

There's a reason gun sales soared last xmas. Stay tuned...

>> ^VoodooV:


Hate to say it but Mitt won that exchange. If that guy they referred to really is a lobbyist running his campaign, Mitt now knows he he needs to cover it up and be more discrete about it. Even if it is just a game of semantics...Mitt won.


Dont know much about the washington network except from watching that last clooney film, but if there is such a thing as an amoral mercenray lobbyist for hire who gets 20 million dollars a year from a couple dozen corporations and business pressure groups to push for legal changes IRRESPECTIVE of whats right for the country in the long run, then this Kaufman guy seems to be the CLASSIC EXAMPLE. If thats true then the reporter was right.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/browse_thread/thread/299b4d1fdf45dd3b>> ^quantumushroom:


There's a reason gun sales soared last xmas. Stay tuned...


Jesus christ. Sorry Quantum, this is just what happens to the empire when the others its been pushing around grow bigger and start taking YOUR lunch money.. welcome to the pacific!

>> ^quantumushroom:

> There's a reason gun sales soared last xmas. Stay tuned...


Are conservatives going to shoot everyone? I know there's no sense in trying to talk you out of it, but it would be nice if you gave us some warning.

You libs should go easy on Rom-com, he's the libmedia's anointed fraudservative candidate. Rom may be an ineffectual bumblef**k but electing him or a fire hyrdant over the Kenyawaiian will buy time and breathing room, removing America from the edge of becoming a venezuelan-style dictatorship. Alex Jones is looking saner every day.

There's a reason gun sales soared last xmas. Stay tuned...

>> ^jfxz27:
>> ^ponceleon:
There are two types of gun sales in the U.S. – licensed, regulated sales, and private, unregulated sales.
A dealer engaged in the business of selling guns must be a federally licensed firearm dealer (FFL) and check their buyers through the National Instant Background Check System (NICS).
However, private individuals who make occasional sales from their personal collection can sell firearms without a license. Because private sellers are presumed to make only occasional sales, their sales are minimally regulated. Private sellers aren’t required to keep records of their sales, or conduct background checks on their buyers.


So with this in mind, doesn't this video just become a bit "so what?" It isn't an actual gun-store, so are they implying that this is something that should change? Keep in mind, I'm fairly liberal and most sifters who know me will attest to that, but this just seems like much ado about nothing.

It isn't illegal so I wouldn't even call it a "loophole."

>> ^ponceleon:
Actually it is a very interesting question: is it illegal for two private citizens to exchange a gun? At least one of the guys clearly states that he isn't a gun dealer.
I don't know, anyone?


There are two types of gun sales in the U.S. – licensed, regulated sales, and private, unregulated sales.

A dealer engaged in the business of selling guns must be a federally licensed firearm dealer (FFL) and check their buyers through the National Instant Background Check System (NICS).

However, private individuals who make occasional sales from their personal collection can sell firearms without a license. Because private sellers are presumed to make only occasional sales, their sales are minimally regulated. Private sellers aren’t required to keep records of their sales, or conduct background checks on their buyers.

*Terrible reporting.
Gun sales always go up during a recession... a recession (and gun sales increase) that began under Bush.

Actually, this news piece is a bit of a misnomer. Gun sales tend to be tied with the Dow.

As the Dow goes V, gun sales tend to go ^

regardless of who's in office.

they'd better not make TOO much money on gun sales or they won't be eligible for a tax break!!!