There is no polite way to say that to someone. The fact still remains you WILL NOT be saying that to anyone in public and to suggest that you would is a lie. The point is that even if I didn't kick the persons ass they would be told to leave and any normal person including the establishments owners would also follow along in removing that person from the property. The police would not take pity on someone who his so crass in harassing the individual. I bet the law would even hold up that the person did in fact harass them. "Yes judge I did in fact politely encourage them to be less heavy". You are a fool to think anyone would not consider that to be rude/ crass/ completely inappropriate. Which is why you would never say it in public and you know you wouldn't. >> ^scannex:

>> ^Thumper:
Here's the problem...He would never have said that shit in public to her face around other people. So how is it okay for him to say it to her in private? If I heard someone say some crap like that to someone standing next to me I would beat their ass right in front of everyone. You can turn this in any direction and it would still apply. If one was very skinny and someone crudely pointed this out around others it would be awkward to the point of physical repercussions.
I don't know who you people are but let me tell you. You will never get away with what that guy said in his letter in public. The internet lets people bullshit so much but the fact is your pathetic notions are crass and you would be outed so quickly in the real world.
As she mentioned he is not her friend or family. He's a coward who hide in the email shadows. The whole point of her pointing this out is because it's national bully month to create awareness for bullying in school. A serious problem to any parent. In the real world you don't get away with comments like that - his ass would get kicked. Then where ever he said it he would be black listed and never allowed to return.

That sure is nice of you to go to prison for a stranger over something another stranger said in almost as constructive a way as possible.
It makes you sound like a violent psychopath.
He didn't bully her. He didn't show up at her office with a "Hey fatty!" sign. He didn't chase her down in other venues, he didn't persist in any way in fact.
You are applying the term bullying where it is wholly inappropriate.

>> ^Thumper:

Here's the problem...He would never have said that shit in public to her face around other people. So how is it okay for him to say it to her in private? If I heard someone say some crap like that to someone standing next to me I would beat their ass right in front of everyone. You can turn this in any direction and it would still apply. If one was very skinny and someone crudely pointed this out around others it would be awkward to the point of physical repercussions.
I don't know who you people are but let me tell you. You will never get away with what that guy said in his letter in public. The internet lets people bullshit so much but the fact is your pathetic notions are crass and you would be outed so quickly in the real world.
As she mentioned he is not her friend or family. He's a coward who hide in the email shadows. The whole point of her pointing this out is because it's national bully month to create awareness for bullying in school. A serious problem to any parent. In the real world you don't get away with comments like that - his ass would get kicked. Then where ever he said it he would be black listed and never allowed to return.

That sure is nice of you to go to prison for a stranger over something another stranger said in almost as constructive a way as possible.

It makes you sound like a violent psychopath.

He didn't bully her. He didn't show up at her office with a "Hey fatty!" sign. He didn't chase her down in other venues, he didn't persist in any way in fact.
You are applying the term bullying where it is wholly inappropriate.

@Duncan And yet this is the commonly suggested course of action for those overweight. Eat 1000-1200 calories a day, and exercise. That's a recipe for disaster. Further, your claim that if you intake fewer calories than you expend you will lose weight. This is not necessarily true. Your body is not a bunsen burner. That's why we have terms like "metabolism" as in so and so has a high metabolism or a low metabolism. In other words, some people can eat and eat and eat, and their body will simply convert the excess energy into heat. For others, that energy is stored as fat. My claim is that there are people for whom prolonged caloric restriction will not result in continued weight loss. Instead the body will continue to store the energy it receives as fat and your brain will be deprived of the energy it needs to allow activity levels necessary to burn anything off. Even with continued restriction. There are cases (e.g. with OCD patients) that prolonged weight loss can be achieved, but often it's simply impossible.

With regards to "life-style change," I agree. It's necessary. However, losing weight isn't. Much more success has been reported encouraging an active lifestyle. Eat until you are sated. That's okay (assuming you don't have a broken sensory system in that regard). People that pursue this approach will usually not lose weight, but they will become healthy. All of their bio-markers (e.g. cholesterol) often come into check. They are active, happy, and healthy. Yet still, people would somehow feel justified sending them a letter telling fatty to get off their ass.

I'll give an example. I watched my girl eat 1200 calories a day for six months. She's 5'2" at 180. The first month of this brought her down to 165/170, but the following five brought her no further. I watched her. She measured every meal with a measuring cup. She's also a geneticist, so she knows a thing or two about the relevant biochem. She was depressed as hell, and her activity level dropped. She was miserable and didn't even really lose substantial weight.

Now, she bikes at least 10-12 hilly miles a day, swims a couple miles three times a week, and does yoga. She eats when she's hungry and stops when she's full. She eats healthily for the most part, but rewards herself with a sweet now and again. Every measure known to correlate with health shows that she is healthy despite her weight. People call her fat all the time. There's just no need. Her doctor doesn't, because many doctors these days know BMI is a bullshit measure. She's not a weird case. I mentioned by buddy the pullup champ in a previous post. The dude was vegetarian in boot camp. He doesn't have an ounce of fat on him, and can do effectively perpetual pushups. He's technically "obese." For a medical term, it's about as useful as "idiot."

The fact is evidence is mounting that your disposition towards retaining fat probably has more to do with what was eaten by your mother during pregnancy than anything you do in your lifetime (other than maybe early childhood). Your body has a weight it would like to keep, and it will succeed in keeping it. If people would just change the societal pressure towards becoming healthy rather than losing weight people doomed to carry extra pounds wouldn't have to feel like outcasts, and would probably be more likely to pursue the correct goal. Instead, most people here seem to think it's okay to berate strangers about their weight. Let them talk to their doctor. If their doctor is good with it, you probably should be too.

@scannex Dude... are you really citing a marketing campaign for weight loss pushers? I bet you I could find data that shows the effectiveness of penis enhancement pills too. If you took a few you might find you like 'em thick ;-). Try some primary literature, and I'll respond in kind.

Try to refute this claim: "Overweight or mildly obese individuals with otherwise normal bio-markers show no decrease in life expectancy from normal."

If you can't, then tell me why it is okay to berate someone about their weight knowing nothing about their health overall?

You keep using the word diet as something you can just go on and off of. That's the problem; 'Going on a diet' implies that it's temporary. What's needed to eat and live healthy is a permanent lifetstyle change. In other words, you don't stop the diet. The previous diet is what led to getting overweight in the first place, so of course they gain the weight back if they start eating like that again. Exercise all you want, if you take in more calories than you expend, you will gain weight. If you expend more calories than you take in, you will lose weight. It doesn't matter if you have a problem with that, or if people get depressed, or if you just straight up don't think it's a health issue (it is), that's how it works. That's why this argument takes place when this issue is brought up. It really is just a matter of will power and education on nutrition. How much will power's needed depends on the person, along with their knowledge on nutrition and eating well. Breaking these long standing habits can be incredibly tough, but not impossible.

There's a lot of grey area in the discussion of being overweight and healthy/fit/etc. If you have terrible eating habits, exercise will only make things a bit better; it wont magically counteract all the negative aspects of your body composition, or of the food you eat. The effect food can have on a person astronomically outweighs the potential effects of exercise. That's in no way saying exercise is pointless, but if you're diet's not in check, the exercise alone is like ordering a diet coke with your ten cheeseburgers.
>> ^bmacs27:

You guys aren't listening to what I'm saying. There is nothing wrong with eating right and exercising. I have a problem with caloric restriction, or as it is commonly called "dieting." Further, I have a problem with judging health from weight or BMI. There is very little data to back that up, and in fact the data suggest that a low BMI is actually more problematic than a moderately high 30ish BMI in terms of life expectancy. My issue is that it's been so ingrained in people to associate weight loss (an aesthetic issue) with fitness (a health issue). There are plenty of people that are fit, and no matter what they do, will carry extra weight.
To me "eating right" means eating healthy foods, e.g. whole foods, fruits, vegetables, proteins as your primary nutrition rather than fatty and heavily sweetened foods. Exercise is the most important part of the equation. The data shows that so long as you are not sedentary you can pretty much eat and weigh whatever with little to no health consequence.
The depression does not come simply from the lack of eating, and thus the cessation of a rewarding activity. It comes from the diversion of energy away from active use (e.g. in the nervous system) and towards the restocking of fat stores. In other words, you'll never lose weight, and instead will just be bummed out all the time.
You talk of "millions of people" that have successfully lost weight. I'd like to see a data that shows a diet emphasizing caloric restriction leading to long term reductions in weight. Every study I've seen shows that diets of that sort yield short term weight loss although subjects generally reacquire the weight within a year of stopping the diet, and report depression during the diet. Prove me wrong.

You guys aren't listening to what I'm saying. There is nothing wrong with eating right and exercising. I have a problem with caloric restriction, or as it is commonly called "dieting." Further, I have a problem with judging health from weight or BMI. There is very little data to back that up, and in fact the data suggest that a low BMI is actually more problematic than a moderately high 30ish BMI in terms of life expectancy. My issue is that it's been so ingrained in people to associate weight loss (an aesthetic issue) with fitness (a health issue). There are plenty of people that are fit, and no matter what they do, will carry extra weight.

To me "eating right" means eating healthy foods, e.g. whole foods, fruits, vegetables, proteins as your primary nutrition rather than fatty and heavily sweetened foods. Exercise is the most important part of the equation. The data shows that so long as you are not sedentary you can pretty much eat and weigh whatever with little to no health consequence.

The depression does not come simply from the lack of eating, and thus the cessation of a rewarding activity. It comes from the diversion of energy away from active use (e.g. in the nervous system) and towards the restocking of fat stores. In other words, you'll never lose weight, and instead will just be bummed out all the time.

You talk of "millions of people" that have successfully lost weight. I'd like to see a data that shows a diet emphasizing caloric restriction leading to long term reductions in weight. Every study I've seen shows that diets of that sort yield short term weight loss although subjects generally reacquire the weight within a year of stopping the diet, and report depression during the diet. Prove me wrong.

This program makes a bold point about hormone and chemical levels being much more strongly correlated with longevity than is likely to be the case. There are a lot of other factors that contribute to premature aging and susceptibility to certain illnesses and diseases, diet, exercise, and lifestyle among them.

To be sure, fasting is probably not a terrible idea for most of those of us who have been brought up eating a Western diet. There's probably something to be said for the human body failing to evolve quickly enough to adapt to the continuous supply of sugary, salty, and fatty foods on a nearly 24/7/365 basis -- rather than the feast/famine environment during the first million years of its evolution... But a switch to eating real foods, not too much, and mostly vegetables is clearly a good way to go.

Correct title = fatty on a swing

*eat fatty foods and carbs before drinking
*drink water
*choose lighter colored liquors
*drink water
*aspirin before bed
*drink water
*eggs,bananas,fruit juice in the morning

*promote the good information

I can immediately tell this is propaganda by the simple statement that THC causes physical withdrawal symptoms, I'm sorry but that is complete and utter BS. I have used pot and and stopped using it many times in my life and it's no different than eating hamburgers one day and not eating hamburgers another day, ya I might get a craving for a burger sometimes but it doesn't cause physical pain when I don't indulge that craving. Pot is the same way. I'm guilty of experimenting with many drugs over the years and I can say with certainty that Pot is absolutely harmless in terms on how addicting it is. It's no different that coffee, cokes, red meat, or fatty foods. And even caffeine causes massive headaches when you stop using it. And I would much rather smoke a joint than drink alchohol or smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes have something like 200+ toxic chemicals(Pot has just one THC) in them and they DO cause physical withdrawal symptoms, and so does alchohol(DTs can actually kill a person). THC causes nothing even remotely like withdrawal symptoms, and people like Dr. Drew who I'm sure has never used a drug in his life couldn't possibly know that. I forgive them their ignorance but not for spreading lies pushed out by government owned agencies whose only agenda is to make money.

>> ^artician:

>> ^deathcow:
i thought he was going to flatten em

Well... That is how you make Foie Gras.


You fatten them, not flatten, to get foie gras. Foie gras literally translates to fatty liver.

I'm sure his kindness had nothing to do with her visual beauty.

"Your name is Guss and you will function as an overweight gas station attendant with an addiction to Coca-cola."

"But I like Pepsi."

"Wait. What!? That's not proper protocol, disintegrate his ass."

"But I want to live!!! I want to taste every flavor of Doritos! Please don't..."

"Shut it fatty! *BRAAAAP!"

WHAT A FATTY.

Reminds me of pizza, except extra fatty.

i mostly agree with you, but i would say there are some pretty important difference between the typical lifestyle in the us and the typical lifestyle in other western nations.

for example, people in other western nations tend to walk more and depend on their cars less. even if it's walking to the nearest train or bus station, they still walked 200 steps farther than their american counterparts. this becomes more apparent when you look at the fattest cities in the US and at their public transportation method. houston used to be at the top of the list (it might still be, it's been a while since i've checked).. i grew up in houston, my husband still lives there. public transportation is a BAD. it's weird too because it's such a massive, populous city and every time they've planned a rail system, it gets shelved. it's super hot and super humid and super unsafe, so noone walks. houstonians. drive. everywhere. and. they. are. fat.

i can think of a lot more slight lifestyle difference that i think add up, but i just go too tired to elaborate on all of them. here's the bullet points.
-cultural attitude towards meals (europeans tend to spend more time and eat slower, which is proven to help you eat less)
-other western nations outrank the us in education (use your imagination to come up with the benefits of that)
-social safety net (an american with a $4/day food stamp budget is destined to be a bargain shopper-which means cheap, fatty, unhealthy foods)
blah blah blah >> ^packo:

>> ^spoco2:
Yeah, he may be schooled, but he didn't believe it did he? That's the problem with so many of these incorrect beliefs... you can't change their mind because they just don't believe what you're saying because it happens to be in line with the government.
Therefore must be wrong somehow.
Frustrating as hell to watch

i wouldn't call this schooling, because FRIST could barely string together a coherent point (partly due to Bill)...
what I find frustrating is Frist trying to say FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE isn't the problem... and he goes on to describe lifestyle and diet as the main cause of all the poor rankings the US receives in regards to healthcare
what it completely ignores is how the lifestyle/diet he's pointing out... isn't singular to the US... but is QUITE common in WESTERN NATIONS... the point of difference is the availability/cost of healthcare... because all it takes is quick glance at those 20 WESTERN NATIONS, that outperform the US at a much cheaper cost.... and you realize, while they ALL have similar lifestyles/diets... the US is the only nation without universal healthcare
that's not to say WESTERN MEDICINE as a whole doesn't fail at emphasizing prevention as opposed to treating conditions after they occur....
just pointing out the fact that the US diet/lifestyle... isn't exactly EXOTIC in WESTERN NATIONS
while UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE is EXOTIC ("scary") in the US

>> ^dag:

I miss pudgy Ricky. But he does look fit.


He was cool when he was a bit of a fatty, seemed more like he really did not give a shit about his image. But actually it really annoys me when people accuse him of caving into Hollywood and oh look, he lives over there and he gets all skinny, what a turncoat. Hang on, he's middle aged man and he wanted to get more healthy and fit before it was too late and he was too old to do it. Cut the guy some slack!