And another right wing boogaloo boy Stephen Carrillo caught after trying to turn protests into riots shot multiple police and fbi, caught with a van full of explosives.

Right wing extremists are THE main terroristic group operating in America....have been since Trump was elected.

They don't deserve denied care unless they're in crowds unmasked, then yes, but I also support prosecuting them, since the organized people caught doing damage and sparking riots so far are right wing extremists, actually right wing terrorists with all the accompanying bombs and plans to destroy America, that sounds great. Anyone actually doing damage (beyond simple reversible vandalism like paint on glass), lighting fires, beating peaceful people, driving/shooting into crowds, or instigating others to do so aren't protesters....nor are they cops, identify them too, first actually. Round them all up and lock them up together.

Of course, you agree we should also use them at any white power/other hate group rally and make the lists public, right? They have a right to hate, we have every right to identify and hate them back, and shun them, refuse them service, employment, or housing, right? Being prejudiced is not a protected class.

Trump and his cultists are the most active terrorist group in America for the last 3 years. They are all extremists and have proven how dangerous they are through multiple deadly attacks and constant death threats to anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Before you proudly state "but Bernie said something positive about Castro, that's anti American." remember how Trump gushes about lil' Kim, president Xi, and Putin, proclaiming his deep love and admiration for multiple murderous communist dictators while showing outright disdain for most of our democratic allies.

Not one Democratic candidate has secretly sold out our national interests or our allies for personal gain, no, not even Biden. Trump has, repeatedly.
Trump, and all his cultists are anti America every time America's interests don't align with theirs.

Funny, when the right spends public funds on their projects like useless fencing, free bailouts for the banks their lack of regulation let fail, or farmers Trump's idiotic trade war hurt you think they're just giving money back, but when democrats want to invest far less than that amount into education they're Santa Clause. *facepalm

No surprise these morons think a few thousand anti choice extremists are a bigger crowd than the millions in the pro women's march, just as there's no surprise Bobski would label this minuscule march against women's rights "California thanking trump". Women at this rally held signs saying "My husband is going to force me to vote for Trump again in 2020"
Keep dreaming buddy.
Trump will be lucky to get 15% in California. He is universally despised here, and his constant attacks, smears, frivolous lawsuits, threats, and lies about California haven't gained him any votes. Better toughen up buttercups. https://videosift.com/video/If-Youre-Gonna-Be-Dumb-You-Gotta-Be-Tough
Sad that there are some people this delusional who aren't institutionalized.

Asinine whining.

As was written in the obituary being referenced, he was once an austere religious scholar. The quickly changed headline was a cut and paste mistake, which was immediately replaced with "extremist leader". Get over it idiot snowflakes. No matter what the WaPo does, these morons will twist it to try to make it seem negative.

Now, @bobknight33, please explain why Trump notified the Russians ahead of the operation but ignored his lawful obligation to notify Congress. The answer is obvious, he believes he works for Putin/ the Russians and not America. His moronic excuse, that congress would have leaked it so he couldn't tell them, is not only just dumb, it's wrong and illegal, and doesn't make a whit of sense since he did tell our enemies-Russia and Syria. If congress had leaked anything about the secret operation before it was declassified, he could and would have insisted the DOJ prosecute them for releasing top secret info....and exposing top secret information is something Trump has done repeatedly, once directly telling Russian ambassadors top secret information that did irreparable harm to ongoing intelligence gathering against Daesh, then declassifying it after the fact.

Which mistake makes zero difference, and which is an intentional attack against American law, our government, and the constitution?

Fair enough.
I think both mentioned ideologies bear some responsibility for zealous extremists from their groups. Disavowing them and their extremist views mitigates that responsibility, but doesn't erase it.
Mainstream Islam has done a better, more consistent job of late in disavowing Islamic extremists, the "right" flip flops from condemning right wing extremists to calling them "good people", "patriots" and "our base" while publicly creating, supporting, and repeating the extremist views and conspiracies repeatedly cited as the motives for terrorism.

I mostly agree, however when talking about political terrorism (edit :in the U.S.) there's little choice. Either ignore there are two different main camps and just call it domestic terrorism (something the right would never do with left wing extremist terrorism, and they shouldn't imo), or note it so you can better identify and target the problem.
We're all Americans, so there really is no "other guy"...but I take your point.

If you heard some of the ridiculous reasons I've heard for not voting Democrat, you would know your example is perfectly reasonable and logical by comparison. One spouted hatred for John Kerry because they preferred Hunts over Heinz ketchup so hated his wife. Seriously.

That's not true. The "Ok" symbol, number codes, etc have been used for years because they could be used in public without exposing themselves as racists except to other racists who know the code.
I agree, once these symbols and codes are recognized, trolls latch onto them as easy triggers to pull.
I can discern intent....to be publicly racist. The meaning is not hidden.
Trolls being publicly racist not for racism's sake but for outrage's sake are still being racists in their effort, as are those who actually believe in/support the racism. Just like a white guy who wears blackface to get a rise out of people MIGHT not be otherwise racist, just a super douchebag willing to do racist things and spread racism for their jollies. Even if they aren't hard core racists, I have no problem labeling them racists, non racists don't commit racist acts for laughs.

No, you're thinking of the, also racist, white lives matter movement spawned by actual racists in an effort to delegitimize and dilute the BLM movement, and picked up by the right as a counter movement to it.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/white-lives-matter


It's surprising no one tried "Your Life Matters". That's an all inclusive slogan that isn't a whit racist.

Oh Bob...
2017 extremist related murder numbers are out....
71% were by right wing extremists-many neo Nazis
26% were by Islamic extremists
And those numbers should only include the murders, not the myriad of failed right wing terrorist acts like the multiple failed right wing mail bombers and caught in the nick of time right wing Coast guard terrorists.
Not sure how you plan to make a case that egg wielding left wing extremists are the real pressing danger, but I'm all ears.

In 2018, every single terroristic attacker in the U.S. had ties to right wing extremist organizations, although one had converted to Islamic extremism before attacking that doesn't mean (and there's little evidence that) they abandoned their right wing politics or philosophy.

Try to absorb that information instead of just being defensive and ignoring it....please.

"go to western sydney, blah blah whatabout whatabout whatabout waaaahhhh" yawn..... been there, done that.

Are there some Muslims who aren't great people? Sure. Same way as there are some awful white people. But if I tarred them all with the same brush, I'd be as ignorant as senator wankstain.

And he's racist as fuck.

So if you want to learn how a left wing politician speaks with compassion, empathy and eloquence, I suggest you read NZ PM Jacinda Ardern's speech.

"We cannot know your grief, but we can walk with you at every stage. We can. And we will, surround you with aroha (love), manaakitanga(support) and all that makes us, us. Our hearts are heavy but our spirit is strong."

"Naeem Rashid, originally from Pakistan, died after rushing at the terrorist and trying to wrestle the gun from him. He lost his life trying to save those who were worshipping alongside him.

Abdul Aziz, originally from Afghanistan, confronted and faced down the armed terrorist after grabbing the nearest thing to hand – a simple eftpos machine. He risked his life and no doubt saved many with his selfless bravery."

And if you want to read how she speaks with resolve...

"A 28-year-old man – an Australian citizen – has been charged with one count of murder. Other charges will follow. He will face the full force of the law in New Zealand. The families of the fallen will have justice.

He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety.

And that is why you will never hear me mention his name.

He is a terrorist. He is a criminal. He is an extremist.

But he will, when I speak, be nameless."

I will waste no more time on your pathetic racist arse.

"There is plenty of scum to go around on both sides."

Ahh the classic false equivalency that Trump supporters often resort to.

First of all, every child should be taught at a young age that just because other children may act like little shits, that doesn't mean they can. The amount of functional adult Trump supporters who use "the Democrats are bad too!" as an excuse for Trump's behavior is just astounding. It's really just a pathetic diversionary tactic used to avoid discussing the issues at hand.

Second, your claim that Democrats are just as cruel is simply not true. Blaming Democrats for the very thing Trump is guilty of is a common smear tactic employed by extremist right wing propaganda.

Take Trump's zero tolerance policy which separated minors from their families for example. Right wing propaganda outlets like OAN love showing pictures of children housed alone in Obama era detention facilities and cry foul at the liberal media at the lack of coverage. The reality is that Obama faced a huge surge of thousand of unaccompanied minors from south america in 2014 who were detained. So yes, thousands of children were detained, but they were NOT separated from the families in the first place.

And while some families were separated during Obama's tenure, Obama's policies tried to limit this as much as possible. It is a far cry from what Trump's zero tolerance policy accomplished. The "liberal" media did not report this under Obama OR Bush simply because it was not an issue. If you believed that there was unfair media coverage for Trump on this issue, then you were lied to and manipulated. Its part of what we discussed earlier how Trump uses lies to discredit the media and further erode our democracy.

The point is that right wing propaganda and Trump himself routinely uses lies and deception to paint himself as the target of a "liberal media bias" that they themselves manufactured. And his gullible supporters like yourself love believing in his victim complex. If you don't believe me, then just refer to non partisan international sources like the BBC and you'll soon discover that Trump is just as shitty from an impartial view as the "biased liberal media" portrays him.

Both sides are not the same, no matter what lies Trump and Fox News et al. tries to tell you. And there are plenty of respectable media sources which are not CNN which also exposes Trump for the lying scum that he is.

Today Trump announced an executive order (unconstitutionally) rewriting the constitution so that babies born in America will no longer be citizens.
One more ignorant attempt to dehumanize any non American....this one totally unconstitutional according to all constitutional law scholars besides Trump and Giuliani, but he doesn't know that, he's never read it and wouldn't care if he did, he's anti constitution.
So much for his oath to support and defend the constitution, he'll wipe his ass with it if it will rile up his base of racists and secessionists. Let's hope this blatant unAmerican and unconstitutional move is enough for impeachment.

At this point, supporting Trump makes you an anti American terrorist just as certainly as supporting Bin Laden, ISIS, or the Taliban. They are all extremist terrorist organizations. Trump's entire platform is and has always been fear and terror and now his followers are trying what he told them to do, take out the liberals before they come take your guns.

Lock him up, lock him up, lock him up, lock him up, lock him up, lock him up, lock him up.....and waterboard him in Guantanamo for the remainder of his short time in earth.....along with his immediate family and entire administration.

What are you ranting about? Is there something wrong with YOUR comprehension?

The point is not what Huber will bring to the table; that is yet to be seen and speculation is useless at this stage. The point is that YOU are a MASSIVE HYPOCRITE, crying "fake news" and then sourcing "news" from Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh. It is quite clear from your association with such shit-stains of extremist propaganda that you lack integrity and self awareness.

So really, to rephrase my question from the other thread: Why are you such a massive hypocrite? Is it because you're utterly delusional or are you just fucking lying out of malice?

Breitbart Bob?

You mean the extremist far right propaganda lying machine?
You are a massive hypocrite, crying about "fake news" when you source your news from utter garbage.

I'll ask you again since you avoided my question in the other thread:

Are you really this delusional or are you just fucking lying out of malice?

I'm an atheist and will always be one of the first in line to suggest that religions should be subject to criticism and the rule of law just like any other organization.

That being said, I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea that congregations are complicit in the misdeeds of the institution itself, whether or not they are aware of verified instances of misdeeds. ...Pretty slippery slope.

Expand that to, say, nations. In the history of the US, the government has committed some pretty indefensible atrocities. Genocide, mass relocation, and other offenses against Native Americans in the name of "manifest destiny". Enslavement of a race of people based on skin color, with disenfranchisement and continued abuse well after slavery was abolished, with elements that certainly persist to this day. Funding and supplying extremist organizations because they happen to have a short-term enemy that coincides with ours, which frequently comes back to bite us in the ass later. Using underhanded tricks including false-flag operations to justify wars and other offensive actions. Attempting to assassinate democratically elected leaders of foreign governments. And on and on.

Are all US citizens complicit in those misdeeds, merely by an accident of birth? But those things were in the past, you might argue. Given the depth of dirt you can find on our past with a little digging, I'd say it is reasonable to expect that there's things that the government is doing now that we may or may not be aware of that would be similarly difficult to defend.

Many/most Catholics can either remain intentionally blissfully ignorant about these problems, or will be able to go to great lengths to rationalize their way around them. Just like most US citizens don't lose much sleep over our government's past and present misdeeds. In either case, indoctrination puts the blinders on -- and can be incredibly difficult to escape.

For the religious, "love the sinner, hate the sin" is an oft-repeated phrase. As an atheist outraged by these scandals and the decades/centuries of intentional cover-ups by the Church itself, I might be tempted to turn that on its head. "Accept the religious, hate the religion." By all means, be outraged towards the institution itself. By all means, fight to end the protections that have allowed this kind of abuse to go unchecked. But perhaps try to keep some (Christian?) empathy for the average Catholic congregation members who have been brainwashedindoctrinated their whole lives and are likely in too deep to escape. Reserve that hatred for the clergy that abused their positions of power and control to commit these crimes, and the organizational system that systematically allowed it to happen while covering it up. They deserve every bit of hate you throw their way.