Sweet Zombie Jesus….the secret service emails were recovered and published yesterday, and they prove the secret service was well aware of credible death threats to Pelosi and Pence at the capitol on January 6 by Jan 4 at the latest (posted Dec 31)…and did not share that information with capitol police, Pelosi, or Pence until 5 hours into the coup….after trying to force Pence into Trump’s limo with only Trump’s SS security.

Yes, it’s now undeniable that the SS was absolutely part of the coup, hid their knowledge of the upcoming attack, hid their involvement by erasing all communications, and absolutely didn’t do their job….in fact it seems a hit squad of SS tried to kidnap Pence (and hand him to the crowd for lynching) but he knew Trump’s SS wasn’t going to protect him and he fled from them.

Every bit of information we get makes things so much worse. Now, the entire SS needs to be fired, for cause with no benefits no pension and a ban from working as law enforcement, and an entire new force Hired. Talk about deep state.

Remember, republicans have started to claim the “deep state is going to assassinate Trump”….and every accusation is a confession. The “red deep state”, which is undeniably real unlike the blue “deep state”, just might try another coup, starting with assassinations at the top.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/secret-service-pelosi-threat-rcna43712

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Secret-Service-waited-to-tell-Capitol-Police-of-17380259.php

Considering the news, I’m surprised he’s not catatonic.

Trump facing tax fraud, bank fraud, theft of classified documents, keeping classified documents, keeping classified documents unsecured (a separate charge), election interference, election fraud(s), causing a riot, attempting a coup, deriliction of duty, obstruction….
edit: and a judge just determined there is a valid, legitimate, substantive justification for the house committee investigating Trump’s tax fraud to get his un redacted taxes…it’s been ruled to not be just a fishing expedition. Bad week!

Meanwhile Biden has erased the Trump employment losses completely, inflation In July was 0%, gas prices dropping precipitously, massive legislation wins….

https://qz.com/us-inflation-was-0-in-july-1849392395

Reality is kicking the cons in the balls, and it’s wearing soccer cleats. At this rate, Trump’s kindergarten sex slave dungeon should be discovered mid October, with the sign in sheet containing the signatures of nearly half the senate.

I would just like them farther apart. On my tablet it’s way too easy to hit the wrong one, or ignore, or both, or even all 3 at the same time.
@lucky760, can that go on the list for the next iteration (assuming there is one)? Just a bit more separation of the up/down buttons.

I erased your mistaken vote with mine @BSR

Don't need to add the "sarcasm" check though. You, no, WE better mean every word of it.

I had a raging LMAO moment reading what BS that Hungary's Viktor Orban's said at Dallas' CPAC yesterday: "A Christian politician cannot be racist."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62431415

Right.... it's exactly racists, far-right fanatics like these people that organized religions of any significant size should be eliminated in the eye of a decent person, reglious or not.

Even though the current Pope Francis (very progessive for a Catholic) recently came up here in Canada for a “penitential pilgrimage” to say "sorries" to the natives that were forced into boarding schools for decades that tried to erase their history, culture, language, ripping children away from their parents by force and caused thousands upon thousands of unrecorded deaths, his actions & tangible response for reparation & restoration amounted to very little. He didn't have the courage to call it a genocide in public, but caught saying so in a hot mic in his plane ride back to Italy... NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

$4.5 million in compensatory damages for calling the Sandy Hook Massacre a hoax…another $45 million in punitive damages.
Compensatory damages can be discharged in bankruptcy, which Jones clearly plans to avoid payment, but punitive damages cannot, so the $45 million debt will stick with him for life.
I love it when a plan comes together. Bye Felicia.

Edit: Er Mer Gerd! Jones’s lawyers tanked his case by sending the prosecution every byte of data in his phone by accident, proving conclusively that Jones lied on the stand multiple times…but this is data the FBI and Jan 6 committee requested and was not supplied (likely he told them it had been erased like most of Trump’s cabinet’s phones, his secret service detail’s phones, and Trump’s own phones). Now they’re going to get it from the families of Sandy Hook victims Jones disgustingly harassed and slandered for years.
Jones was definitely involved at a high level and had conversations with others involved at high levels.
They say karma is a bitch…I hope this time she’s a pit Bull with bloodlust.

So, explain why you spent dozens of not hundreds of hours watching “hearings”which were one sided, no counter argument, and no evidence, purely partisan, purely political smears surrounding Clinton’s emails and Benghazi ?….and where’s the outrage over the secret service doing what she was ACCUSED of but it was proven repeatedly she never did, intentionally erasing thousands of government owned emails concerning evidence surrounding an attack against Americans that the president intentionally orchestrated?

*crickets*

Such a silly, infantile, intentionally blind, hypocritical, totally transparent person you are.

Yep. The secret service is corrupted. No longer a non political organization, it’s become a Trump criminal cult.

After spending a week insisting the story that they had erased text messages surrounding the coup they were involved in was false, they had all the texts never erased, they supplied all those texts they claimed had not illegally been destroyed….all one of them, one single text. Like they’re thumbing their nose at congress, America, and the law.

2 weeks AFTER 2 official requests for the text messages, they went through with a total erasure of months of texts, including those twice subpoenaed, then spent months stonewalling subpoenas (something they should absolutely never even be capable of and IS definitely criminal), and another month recently falsely denying they erased the texts despite being ordered not to. That’s criminal, dereliction of duty, destruction of government property, and defying a federal subpoena. Every single agent should be prosecuted just like Bannon, and face 2 years for those crimes and sentenced to the maximum as corrupt traitors to America, corrupt law enforcement, and insurrectionists.

Time to disband them, and let Biden replace every officer now employed. No pensions, no benefits. They committed felonies as a group. If this isn’t prosecuted, rule of law is also destroyed in America…thanks Trump. Worst, most criminal, deadliest, most disgraced ex president ever.

One more organization totally corrupted by Trump’s touch. Before Trump they were purely a-political and above reproach, now they are purely political and clearly thoroughly corrupt….just like the Supreme Court, no longer trustworthy and thoroughly corrupt.
Thanks Trump.

This does mean any story the committee comes up with can’t be contradicted. They can decide what to say, and the secret service can eat a bag of baby dicks in silence. This is part of why they didn’t force Trump’s secret service agent to testify, he wasn’t trustworthy, was a well known liar, and had been defying subpoenas for his documentation for months. Also, there’s little chance he would show, like the other co-conspirators. They all claimed they can’t wait to testify,then claim they just can’t do it for no valid reasons.



Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up…..

Ruh roe….after being subpoenaed, the secret service now says they still have the text messages from Jan 5-6 that they previously told the committee were all erased permanently. Funny how the story changed 100% only AFTER they were subpoenaed. Not good for insurrectionists. Also horrific for the reputation of the secret service who now looks like a deep state political tool for Trump.

Also being reported Trump intends to announce he’s running for president again before the midterms, despite the RNC and all cons up for election begging him not to. Sources say he’s outraged at the dozens of criminal and civil cases he’s facing and wants to use the office to shield himself from prosecution, and that’s his main concern and goal right now. Expecting another red tsunami? Lol.

1) not a trial. Sad you just can’t understand or accept that no matter how often it’s pointed out, and telling.

2) only the agents involved denied it, other agents admitted it’s been talked about between agents since Jan 2020. Those two agents, still in Trump’s employ today, and others, are also in big trouble for erasing their text and phone messages and records for the days surrounding the failed coup AFTER being ordered by the courts to preserve them, hardly unbiased or truthful witnesses. Another American institution who’s reputation and trustworthiness have been completely destroyed by Trumpists breaking rules and laws for great great grandad the Ochre ogre.

3) you don’t even know they weren’t called, only not publicly called. They don’t waste time publicly presenting witnesses who can only corroborate non criminal activities. They don’t list the witnesses that testify in secret behind closed doors….for their safety. Rabid Trumpterrorists have made serious death threats against every public witness, some have tried to follow through with them.

Wait….so you want to lap up AOCs bath water? We all know every right wing accusation is an admission….what did you just admit to?

I’m lapping it up, seasoned with con’s tears. So yummy you guys, the tears of unfathomable sadness!

Noooo….you still don’t like Biden. You still think self serving narcissistic Trump was a leader, but a lifelong frugal public servant isn’t. Nooooo! (I know there’s no breaking through your fantasy, bob. You are a lost cause, totally divorced from reality and totally uninterested in honesty).

No bob, I mean the Union…as in the United States of America. As in the Union vs the Confederacy. Trump nearly dissolved the Union, so much that Republican platforms now include secession as their goal. Derp. Another “L” for your column. Another dunce cap for your collection.
Republicans want to erase America out of infantile spite, but have no idea what to do afterwards. Better learn Chinese or Russian, red states can’t afford to defend themselves, you are all welfare queen states with the highest murder and crime rates.

Side note: But, this means you are anti union, so 100% anti worker? Really? What favors has Biden handed unions? Most unions (all you oppose) lobby for workers, blue collar employees. You would limit lobbiests to to those lobbying for billionaires and huge corporations (including religious corporations) that actively lobby against workers rights, pay, safety, ecological responsibility, hours, etc. Think about that.

You fucking moron, it went from 3.08% (higher than Trump ever reached) in 2015 under Obama to -3.5% in 2020 (the lowest ever in history). Who the fuck told you .2%? Who told you Trump left it at 2.5%? Overall Obama’s growth rate was actually 50% higher than Trump’s, and Obama inherited a deep recession, Trump inherited a boom. They outright lied to you, and you just lapped it up without ever looking. They’re feeding you poo pie bob, not chocolate. I really wish I didn’t have to spend so much time correcting your obviously fabricated statistics, especially since you only spout them to force a correction, getting you attention, not because you believe or even understand them. So you understand, printing 50% more money while your economy is in the worst contraction ever causes inflation, and that’s what Trump did in 2020 while focusing on the election he lost in a landslide and ignoring the pandemic and economy.

Jobs?!? Obama job growth was near 8% adding 12.5 million jobs, Trump was the only president ever to lose jobs, losing 3.2 million. Another 100% break from reality, buddy. I’m telling you, you need professional help.

Yes, Trump did turn us around, from a massive recovery and booming economy to massive economic losses, job losses, absolutely insane deficits and trying to double the debt, huge money printing in 2020 (magic wand waiving) that creates massive inflation (that he now blames Biden for), undreamed of losses of life, and teetering on the brink of depression and pandemic. He made us madder. For libs that means angry, for cons that means totally bat shit crazy with no ties to reality at all.

Far from it, lots of positive, but so much negative left from the previous one we are still in the red.

They have made policies that help the American pocketbook, Trump robbed it blind to hand to billionaires (and fake billionaires).

Who told you that lie. The Democrats have done everything they legally can to force oil companies to increase production and stop price gouging, Republicans all voted against doing anything, then claim “Biden’s fault”. No fossil fuel production has been cut. You’ve been lied to, and you aren’t intellectually honest enough to investigate for yourself…you don’t want to hear the truth.

Republicans are to blame for high fuel prices, Democrats are responsible for the recent lowering. Democrats are making efforts to lower them further, Republicans are 100% opposed to any actions.

Trump benefited on fuel costs thanks to the economic collapse he caused by denying and ignoring Covid for months, dropping the demand for fuel to nothing…not a good policy overall, or do you suggest killing another million and shutting down another year to lower gas prices?


Lol. You are claiming reports say the average American spends $500 more on fuel and goods per month than under Trump? What reports? Glen Beck, AON, or Rush Limbaugh’s ghost? Only if you are a trucker using hundreds of gallons of gas a month. Even in California, fuel cost has gone up less than 1/5 of what you say.

Trump cost you SO much more than $6k per year, over $60k per taxpayer on the official debt alone…and these extra expenses (probably $100-$200 per month tops) are thanks to Trump printing 1/3 of every dollar in circulation (inflation) and fuel supply and demand being out of hand intentionally because oil companies make more money by producing less, and aren’t nationalized so the government can’t force them to stop gouging.

Such nonsense bob. Your facts are all wrong, and since you won’t investigate you are just going to continue to believe the lies you were fed. The people you listen to are making money off your beliefs, bob, and they see you as a huge sucker they can convince of anything and get your money or support for their America destroying “get me richer quick” schemes.

🤦‍♂️

Summary, since I don’t think you can read that much.
Union = United States Union, not unions
Gdp- Obama 1.59% rising consistently during his presidency Trump 1% falling precipitously to the worst ever in history. Also never beat Obama’s high.
Jobs- Obama added 12.5 million, Trump lost 3.2 million
Debt- Obama added $9 trillion, ending a recession and creating a boom over 8 years. Trump added $8 trillion on the books (and trillions more off the books) in 4 years ending a boom and creating a recession
Deficit- 2020 was the biggest budget deficit ever by >200% at $3.13 trillion and added well over $4.2 trillion to the debt that year, way more than 2021 at a still horrific $2.7 budget deficit but ending adding only $1.5 to the debt.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

Oil/gas price - all cost cutting measures opposed by Cons.

@newtboy
"I meant in a practical and ethical sense it would have made more sense for them to take part of Germany as actual reparations."
Isn't this a red herring, irrelevant point though unless they were given part of Palestine as 'reparations'? If we're gonna fix history with wishes lets go further and erase WW2.

"When they, as a people, invade a recently sovereign land and take it by force..."
It's your characterization here that you seem to just be asserting as true, but it's the heart of where we see it differently.

Are you objecting to the Jewish refugees illegally taking refuge alongside Jewish people already in Palestine in the 30s and early 40s? Your usage of the word 'invade' seems to suggest that.

Do you think I'm misrepresenting things as well when I pointed out it was the Arab states that declared war, immediately upon Israel embracing a two state solution? And let's be clear, it was a two state solution with borders essentially mirroring the existing land occupied by both Jewish and Arab peoples currently in Palestine at the time.

You declare it was taken by force, but the history as I know it has by far the largest use of force was 100% defensive after the declaration of war by all neighboring Arab states.

What are you seeing so differently at that point of history?

Forefathers. 🤦‍♂️ (at least you didn’t say “four fathers”)

Remember, they’re amendments. Not part of the constitutional convention or constitution, but the bill of rights. You know, that document that your ilk hate because you guys think the constitution shouldn’t be changed….unlike our forefathers.

Hilarious how little you people actually know about your own history, and you want to erase more of it.

And another Republican has pleaded guilty to voter fraud for casting votes in two different states, New Hampshire and Massachusetts, Todd Krysiak. Another who admits he voted twice to elect Trump in 2016, so I guess Trump was never the legitimate president, right!? Only elected by fraudulent votes, see. Erase any law or policy he enacted, right!? Pull his secret service detail, and strike his name from the presidential records….then lock him up, lock him up, lock him up!
(Btw, when are those charges against Hillary coming?….it’s been 4 years since you said “soon”.)

When are we ever going to see some evidence of voter fraud that wasn’t on Trump or the Republicans behalf? Doesn’t it seem odd to you that every guilty party committing voter fraud is a Republican, from the top down to the bottom?

Shouldn’t we do something!?

Something like a total and complete shutdown of voting for anyone registered as a Republican (retroactive back through 2012) until our countries representatives can figure out what the hell is going on?
(Trump’s perfectly acceptable Muslim ban excuse, remember?). 🤦‍♂️

I had to quit discussing things like this in private thanks to bob (and his sock puppets). I refuse now because he likes to be a completely different person in private, admitting things he would never admit in public conversation, admitting he’s lying, that Trump is an awful human being, etc. he ruined it.
Sorry…replying publicly.

If you can’t/won’t answer one simple question, there’s no point. I’m sick of answering all of yours and having you dodge mine….especially sick of it since you refuse to even acknowledge my answers and pretend I didn’t give you a straight answer. I refused to answer one red herring, biased, loaded, off topic question because I disagreed wholeheartedly with its premise, but answered every other you asked.
I feel like you’re wasting my time here..

I must point out, the question you continue to ignore trumps every question you asked….how can you deny the rights of legal women to compete in publicly funded contests as women? It’s their constitutional right to not be discriminated against based on gender. Case closed. Nothing overrides that legality.

I answered your question 3 times now. If you can’t understand, why keep trying? One last time, but I’m out. I’m not going to answer you without the same consideration.

There is no evidence that xx vs xy denotes one automatically has an advantage based on just chromosomal arrangements. None.

Women CAN be stronger, faster, better than men in most arenas, and vice versa. Genetic gender may indicate a likelihood random men will be stronger than random women, it alone does not dictate biological differences that can/will be advantageous in athletics. Hormone levels, hormone therapy, supplements, mental fortitude, training, environment, opportunities, dna, rna, diet, HGH, etc can all go into creating (or erasing) those possible physical “advantages” you reference, not just chromosomal arrangements. Since that’s true, discrimination based on chromosomal arrangements is not just wrong and illegal, it’s ignorant and evil.

I’ve been over that 3 times, now 4. I’ve given specific examples. What’s the issue in comprehension? Are you even reading? What?!

I’m bored of this. We won’t get anywhere with this one sided discussion where only one of us answers questions or pays attention to the answers. Fuggetaboutit. This isn’t a discussion

Have a nice day. Bye.

CRT is not real outside of law school. It’s a big racist lie. It’s not taught in grade school.

Edit: Yes, if true, actual CRT, the law school class, was banned in grade school, nothing would change….but you want the intentional misuse and bastardization of the phrase to mean any mention of racial disparity, racist actions, slavery, Jim Crow, racist policies including those adopted by the Republican Party at the same time those racist policies were abandoned by Democrats in the late 60’s early 70’s, any mention of lynching, the KKK, the fact that non whites were not allowed to vote, the fact that non whites were not considered full human beings in the constitution, etc to all be under the name “CRT” and want it all to be removed from schools. You want to rewrite history so it resembles the false image you think you project. It’s absolutely moronic, attempted forced ignorance. The Republican plan for children because ignorance makes it easy to abuse and control the populace.

American history is real….and really racist.
By intentionally mislabeling anything about our racist history as “CRT”, a right wing buzz word they have stripped of any actual meaning to create some fantasy racial boogeyman they can point to to excuse blatant racist policy and actions, you think that allows you to pretend it doesn’t exist, to deny it, and to return to it. Removing any mention of our racist history is racist, stupid, and is a ploy to convince right wing morons that racism isn’t real, never happened, and so doesn’t need any fixing or even teaching. It erases an ENORMOUS part of American history, and all of black American history. You love that.

You bold faced liar. That’s EXACTLY what “anti CRT” is about, renaming the slave trade as “Africans immigrating”, calling slavery “job security”, pretending that Lincoln ended racism completely (but being confused because in your mind slavery is a hoax), ignoring the murderous atrocities during reconstruction, ignoring the blatant often deadly racism that was the norm through the 70’s, and the institutional racism that still exists, never mentioning and pretending attacks against blacks like Tulsa and others, mass murders, arsons, terrorism, all by law enforcement so there’s no legal remedies for the survivors….(The Tulsa race massacre took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when mobs of White residents, some of whom had been deputized and given weapons by city officials, attacked Black residents and destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, US)…never happened. The anti CRT movement is about erasing that history so they 1)don’t feel guilty or uncomfortable for trying to defend or excuse having a murderously racist history, and 2)so it’s easier to return to that racist society with minimal effort because they won’t know where it leads.

Why? Because the senators that were complicit all switched to the Republican Party after the southern strategy, and those who believed in equality and rights for all switched to the Democratic Party. Another bit of racist history you personally love to deny despite it being the historical, undeniable record of our history. They don’t want to be asked, because they either answer truthfully and are proven to be racists, or lie and lose their racist voter base. Racists are nearly all…99%+-, right wingers. They do not belong to the party trying to eradicate racism. They belong to the party that openly accepts and fosters racism, and pretends, often insists it doesn’t exist when they’re in public….your party. The party of racists, white nationalists, insurrectionists, revisionists, anti American, pro Russian, sexist, anti democracy, anti education ignoramuses.

Quit bringing nothing but dishonest bold faced lies and rewritten history to the table. That means you leave, because dishonest bold faced lies and revisionist history are all you ever spout….because you are a dishonest liar and blatant consistent racist….and a sexist.

LBGTOW (little boys going their own way)….that describes you people well, we wish you would follow through. Go on now…shoo. Go your own way, buy your own country and go there. See for yourself just where unopposed right wing nonsense leads, just leave the US out of it. Ask Musk to forget Twitter and buy Guatemala or an island nation, invite Trump to lead for life, then GO! You have so many issues with other people having rights, so GTFO and create your own white male controlled, white right wing utopia…or move to Russia….but don’t expect to get to come back when it devolves into criminal despotism, economic collapse, and ecological disaster.