Happeh Theory's main website: http://www.happeh.com/

Happeh Theory counterpoint: http://www.sciforums.com/encyclopedia/Happeh

Also, this is serious business. It's ludicrous but not parody.

Pedobear or also Pædobear aka Roy Harms (born January 45th, 1951 at your mom's house) is one of the more famous and long running 4chan memes. He actually originated from 2channel (2ちゃんねる, ni channeru, 2ch for short), Japanese Internet forum, where he was called Kuma (クマー), literally "Bear". Some argue the Japanese omitted the "Pedo-" prefix to avoid redundancy since most anything churned out in Japan is assumed to promote pedophilia.

(From encyclopedia dramatica.)

Well, 4chan has her name. It's only a matter of time now. Already an Encyclopedia Dramatica article about her:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bincat

I'll just respond to your statements in bold in the quoted text.

In reply to this comment by chtierna:
Okay, at least we agree on the fact that she shouldn't receive death threats for the mistakes she made.
In your first comment I really felt you meant she deserved everything that was coming her way, no matter how nasty.

Also, I did go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and read the article. I'm not sure what the source is for the nudity, it said she almost showed her boobs or something and that she posted naked pics of herself. Regarding the sources in this story I don't regard either side as very believable. It is for example unclear if she really did receive death threats according to ED.

You may not find it believable, but Encyclopedia Dramatica is pretty much the Wikipedia of 4chan. Have I seen these pictures posted on /b/? Yes. Did I then report those posts for child pornography to get taken down? Yes. This is just something they do. They find pictures/humiliating information and then post it, repost it, and repost it again.

Something I cannot agree with is some kind of justification that as long as she clicked away a warning she was free game for any tactics from anyone that didn't like her. Imagine in real life if I put up a sign that said "warning: passing this door gets your raped" and then someone crossed the door anyway and I raped them. Would I then when the police showed up be able to say: "Hey, she read the sign, she voided her rights to object to being raped the minute she passed my door". And yes, she made provocative statements etc, but to use the disclaimer as a shield for whatever consequences it brings on the girl... it just doesn't hold up.

Your argument here is in no way comparable. Lots of mature sites on the internet use disclaimers to dissuade minors from entering their sites. This ranges from porn sites to sites which just feature mature(violence/language/etc) content. It amounts to the same as signing a legal contract, and has held up in court countless times. You can give it any ridiculous example, but the disclaimer is there for these exact reasons, to attempt to deter minors, and it exonerates the owner of the site from any legal recourse that he would suffer when a minor attempts to access the site

Contacting the child services would be the right thing to do, and as I see it was done, her parents do not seem to be protecting their daughter well enough and certainly don't seem very bright, but then going on and trying to make an 11-year old cry, that's just weak somehow.

Everyone is different, and when under the guise of anonymity, it allows them to be someone who they are not. Now maybe you can't imagine doing something "questionable," but /b/ is a testament to the fact that under that anonymous guise, people can turn into something terrible.

There is of course the argument that the lulz make everything permisable. So in a way, there is a mentality where the more harm comes to the victim, the more lulz are to be made. Suggesting that she commit suicide was apparently 2nd on some "further trolling" list, and both you and I know it would certainly be considered a huge success for the trolls if they managed to convince the girl to take her life. There would be plenty of lulz indeed. I find this utterly beyond contempt.

I'd have to point out again that this is something that you would personally do in your own opinion. I can assure you it is not shared by everyone

To me it seems most people on 4chan (I guess /b/ would be the main culprit here) don't do stuff because they want to correct the behaviour of someone, but simply because they are bored and want something fun to occupy their time with. Forming a mob and making someone cry or be humiliated passes time. 4chan doesn't care about this girl or any other girl. They have used her for amusement, and will continue until she dies or hides or they find something else more interesting. In the end their motto and their actions do not amount to something I can respect or admire the way I feel some do.

I would personally hypothesis that the admiration comes from minors, because they want their 15 minutes of internet fame being able to say "I was a part of that." Of course I could be wrong and it could really be anyone(which would be even more disturbing, but ultimately not surprising).

In the end as you point out, they cannot be stopped. But I feel sorry for the girl and I don't think she or anyone else in her situation deserves to go through what she did however stupid she is. Posting that she deserves everything 4chan can muster against her, as you seemed to be doing in your original post, doesn't sit very well with me, but from your response at least you seem to draw the limit far sooner than others.

For that I'd have to say I used a poor choice of words to get my point across. I was merely trying to point out that her actions(which were undoubtedly incredibly dumb) awoke an internet beast that would not stop until it succeeded in "ruining" her life.

Pardon the wall of text.

In closing I'd like to add that I believe /b/ comes with good and bad sides. It is the ultimate definition of freedom of speech on the internet, a forum where anyone can post anything anonymously(that's the whole point, to REMAIN anonymous). It is one of the last bastions of the internet where intelligent as well as retarded discussions can occur without censorship(unless illegal ie. child porn).

Okay, at least we agree on the fact that she shouldn't receive death threats for the mistakes she made.
In your first comment I really felt you meant she deserved everything that was coming her way, no matter how nasty.

Also, I did go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and read the article. I'm not sure what the source is for the nudity, it said she almost showed her boobs or something and that she posted naked pics of herself. Regarding the sources in this story I don't regard either side as very believable. It is for example unclear if she really did receive death threats according to ED.

Something I cannot agree with is some kind of justification that as long as she clicked away a warning she was free game for any tactics from anyone that didn't like her. Imagine in real life if I put up a sign that said "warning: passing this door gets your raped" and then someone crossed the door anyway and I raped them. Would I then when the police showed up be able to say: "Hey, she read the sign, she voided her rights to object to being raped the minute she passed my door". And yes, she made provocative statements etc, but to use the disclaimer as a shield for whatever consequences it brings on the girl... it just doesn't hold up.

Contacting the child services would be the right thing to do, and as I see it was done, her parents do not seem to be protecting their daughter well enough and certainly don't seem very bright, but then going on and trying to make an 11-year old cry, that's just weak somehow.

There is of course the argument that the lulz make everything permisable. So in a way, there is a mentality where the more harm comes to the victim, the more lulz are to be made. Suggesting that she commit suicide was apparently 2nd on some "further trolling" list, and both you and I know it would certainly be considered a huge success for the trolls if they managed to convince the girl to take her life. There would be plenty of lulz indeed. I find this utterly beyond contempt.

To me it seems most people on 4chan (I guess /b/ would be the main culprit here) don't do stuff because they want to correct the behaviour of someone, but simply because they are bored and want something fun to occupy their time with. Forming a mob and making someone cry or be humiliated passes time. 4chan doesn't care about this girl or any other girl. They have used her for amusement, and will continue until she dies or hides or they find something else more interesting. In the end their motto and their actions do not amount to something I can respect or admire the way I feel some do.

In the end as you point out, they cannot be stopped. But I feel sorry for the girl and I don't think she or anyone else in her situation deserves to go through what she did however stupid she is. Posting that she deserves everything 4chan can muster against her, as you seemed to be doing in your original post, doesn't sit very well with me, but from your response at least you seem to draw the limit far sooner than others.

Pardon the wall of text.

In reply to this comment by Tymbrwulf:
Ok well I'll tell you this, I was on the site the week that this all blew out of proportion, I was following it from nearly the beginning when almost every single thread on the anonymous imageboard had something to do with this girl. For the details that I did miss, they are described in http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jessi_Slaughter, giving the ENTIRE backstory, development of the imageboard's reaction, and the back-and-forth between the girl/her parents and this imageboard as well as police involvement etc. It's been documented down to the specific dates of what happened when.

Another point I have to make is that the imageboard she was posting on is an 18 and over ONLY board. If you want access to this board you have to agree to the disclaimer written as follows:

"By entering this section of the website, in exchange for use of this website, you the user hereby agree to the following:
1. The content of this website is for mature viewers only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to view nudity or mature images and language, do not proceed.
2. This site is presented to you AS IS, with no warranty, express or implied. By clicking "I Agree" and then viewing our site, you agree not to hold the webmaster and staff of this site (4chan.org) liable for any damages from your use of these boards.
3. As a condition of using this site, you must fully understand, and comply with the rules of 4chan.org, which may be located by following the "Rules" link on the home page.

Now do I personally feel that she deserved death threats? No, but apparently someone else on the internet does. Can I stop them? Absolutely not. That is the danger of revealing yourself on an anonymous imageboard. For some further information, there has never, EVER been an actual murder occur as a direct effect of this imageboard's actions(unlike Craigslist, but people don't seem to have a problem with using that do they?)

Do I think she should be humiliated? She did some pretty stupid things, and now she's reaping the consequences of her actions. Actions that INCLUDED posting pictures of herself NAKED (this girl is 11, remember that). Not only did "Anonymous" humiliate and harass her, they called child services on the parents because the parents have no idea what the hell this girl is doing on the internet, exposing herself, etc. These pictures will haunt her for the REST of her life, and I think she finally realized that in the end, when it was already too late. They will never go away, especially now that she's made national news.

I'm not saying I didn't make mistakes when I was 11, but I never made mistakes of this kind of magnitude. You have to understand that the power of anonymity allows a person to go beyond their moral standings and become the "asshole" that was described in the thread discussion. They don't forget, they don't forgive. It's seriously in their motto:
We are Anonymous.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
Some users take this more to heart than others, and these are the consequences you see before you.

To answer your final questions I'll tell you that what she did wrong was feed the internet trolls. She fed them, then she provoked them, and she was dumb enough to post pictures of herself nude while she was at it.

Does she deserve everything that she is getting? It's not something I would do personally, but I know that if I would do anything similar to what she's done, I would suffer the same consequences, if not worse. That is the mistake she made, the mistake of unwittingly putting her information out to the internet, a public forum, a place where whatever you put lasts forever. She was too young to know the difference, and now it's too late to stop it.

The founder of the website has the 18+ disclaimer there for a reason, because people younger than that don't realize what kind of implications their actions might have. She's the one that didn't listen to it and went ahead and became involved, and then? Well... then... age doesn't really matter does it? Everything is for the lulz, and I can assure you, Anonymous is laughing.

In reply to this comment by chtierna:
I think the standard is "innocent until proven guilty", so I'm more curious how you justify that she deserved to have death threats aimed against her and to be humiliated by thousands of people online. She said some stupid stuff, she maybe even did some stupid stuff, and you call for blood.

I'm sorry but you just saying that the fact that she is 11 doesn't factor into it doesn't quite cut it for me. Maybe you never made a mistake when you were 11, shit maybe you thought things through as clearly as any other adult, I know I didn't, and I also know I wouldn't want to have my mistakes blown up for everyone to see and judge. People make mistakes, and wiser people forgive them. I think there are better ways to learn how you're supposed to behave than getting harassed.

In the end I want to ask you a question. How far would you like to take it? How much punishment do you think that she deserves? Do you think it would be okay if she was driven to suicide? Or if she got hospitalized for cracking under the pressure. Would that satisfy you?

I agree she is a useless horrible meatbag.

What I didn't realize was that your link instead of going to what I thought would be a news article or a wikipedia page it was an encyclopedia dramatica page with the graphic pictures. It should have been obvious, but given my mental state it was not so clear.

In reply to this comment by joedirt:
What are you talking about? Some idiot girl cut a dog's head off. The text says exactly that. You clicked a link and saw a 6 oclock news report about a girl that cut a dogs head off. I'm confused where the suprise came from.

In reply to this comment by MycroftHomlz:
Wow... you need to warn people that that is on that. I clicked that. Seriously, I feel dizzy. That is horrible. Uhhhhhh. Dude. Not. Cool. You can't just put that there. You have say, hey this is NSFW and really really really awful. I thought it was a wikipedia page. really. please edit this or something. I seriously disturbed by that.

In reply to this comment by joedirt:
That idiot furfag girl murdered a dog and cut it's headoff....

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Naveed (نويد), also spelled Navid, is a Persian name meaning "bearer of good news" or "best wishes". In the Old Persian variant used in Afghanistan, it is also pronounced Naweed, and also spelled Nawid.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

LO and I are former friends (for reasons which need not be brought up here). Trust me when I tell you he's a firearm encyclopedia.

I couldn't care if you've manufactured your own firearms. Unless you've stood off face to face with someone and had to shoot at someone you still don't have a clue. Nor the psychological switches that go on.

>> ^Mashiki:
No it's not, you just don't understand shooting.

LO and I are former friends (for reasons which need not be brought up here). Trust me when I tell you he's a firearm encyclopedia.

"Chuck Norris once killed an Encyclopedia salesman for trying to learn him something."
and by doing that, taught Encyclopedia salesmen everywhere an important lesson.

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When I was in the 10th grade (1989), I was in a high school science class, and the professor had a drinking bird. He offered some form of extra credit if we could explain how it worked. I quickly went out and bought my own drinking bird, studied it, and had no freaking clue. So I pulled out some encyclopedias (remember those? yes kids, we used to have books of information), did some reading at the library, and 3 months later figured it had to have something to do with Boyle's Law.

I proposed my weakly formed solution completely missing out on the thermodynamics part, and never did get that extra credit.

If only I had google: Heat will not naturally flow from a body of lower temperature to one of higher. It will however, flow in the other direction. So what does all this have to do with our classic drinking bird? The answer: plenty. Couple this law of thermodynamics with Boyle’s law stating the inversely proportional relationship of temperature and pressure relating to volume and you can begin to understand how this magical little bird can seemingly bob up and down forever.

This kid is full of stupid. With all that info about him in the Encyclopedia Dramatica page I'm sure 100 pizza have been delivered to his house by now. And for god's sake, his IP is even there! I wonder if his parents will ever stop beating him once this blows over?

I see what you're getting at now. I thought that part of his comment was rather childish, but I very much agreed with the rest of it, so I gave him the upvote anyway.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I was trying to display the hypocrisy in his statement about "best schools" and then using a wikipedia quote. I agree that wikipedia is an EXCELLENT place to start research, but only in browsing their sources will you go far enough beyond wikipedia to not get docked points on a paper at the "best schools" or even community college...

Because wikipedia has a bad rap with the more controversial topics, being that they've had problems with articles changing for someone's personal gain, college staff has pretty much ruled out wikipedia as a valid source of information. At my college anyway. All you need for "valid" research is 1 degree beyond wikipedia.

In reply to this comment by xxovercastxx:
>> ^rottenseed:
Anybody who has been to an average school let alone the "best" would know that quoting wikipedia as a source of your argument is a NO-NO.


Why? It's about as accurate as any other encyclopedia and certainly more up to date.

Would it have been better if he said the quote was from orwell.ru?

This idea that Wikipedia is useless is ridiculous. Read it with some skepticism, as you should with any encyclopedia, and check the source citations, which may not be an option with a traditional encyclopedia.

I was trying to display the hypocrisy in his statement about "best schools" and then using a wikipedia quote. I agree that wikipedia is an EXCELLENT place to start research, but only in browsing their sources will you go far enough beyond wikipedia to not get docked points on a paper at the "best schools" or even community college...

Because wikipedia has a bad rap with the more controversial topics, being that they've had problems with articles changing for someone's personal gain, college staff has pretty much ruled out wikipedia as a valid source of information. At my college anyway. All you need for "valid" research is 1 degree beyond wikipedia.

In reply to this comment by xxovercastxx:
>> ^rottenseed:
Anybody who has been to an average school let alone the "best" would know that quoting wikipedia as a source of your argument is a NO-NO.


Why? It's about as accurate as any other encyclopedia and certainly more up to date.

Would it have been better if he said the quote was from orwell.ru?

This idea that Wikipedia is useless is ridiculous. Read it with some skepticism, as you should with any encyclopedia, and check the source citations, which may not be an option with a traditional encyclopedia.