>> ^nanrod:

Duh! I was kinda thinking about the reaction when this shows up fully assembled on an X-ray>> ^heathen:
>> ^nanrod:
OK. Who wants to be first to try and board a plane with this in their carry on?

Would be pretty easy, disassembled, just some Lego bricks and elastic bands.



In that case, no chance. These days a picture of a gun on your T-shirt is enough to stop you boarding a flight.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1234193.ece

Duh! I was kinda thinking about the reaction when this shows up fully assembled on an X-ray>> ^heathen:

>> ^nanrod:
OK. Who wants to be first to try and board a plane with this in their carry on?

Would be pretty easy, disassembled, just some Lego bricks and elastic bands.

>> ^nanrod:

OK. Who wants to be first to try and board a plane with this in their carry on?


Would be pretty easy, disassembled, just some Lego bricks and elastic bands.

1- One of the main wireless network engineers

2- So one of the main wireless network engineers can test the unit in real world conditions (see dags response)

3- The name of the person who found it was not given. I'm guessing since he lives in Silicon Valley, he's quite probably a tech geek, thought the phone looked odd, and wanted to take it apart to see why

4- Yes. Using mobile me, you can easily turn the phone off, lock it down, and get GPS coordinates for where it is, all through mobileme's easy web interface. Apple did lock it. It was locked the next morning.

5- I understand what you're saying, but this phone is to be released in the next 3-4 months. Apple would be doing a great disservice to themselves and AT&T with a stunt like this, causing tens of thousands of units to sit on shelves, and untold number of new AT&T customers to wait to sign up. It's not practical by any means.

6- WTC7 was an inside job.


I also called around to my Apple friends, and all of them said there was a giant shitstorm brewing, noone knew what it was about until the Gizmodo article came out. Then shit sincerely hit the fan. One of my friends was on the original iPhone team, and had a working one that he carried around, months before the official release. He couldn't even show his wife.

When you are one of these lucky duckies, not only are you on über strict NDA, but you are also a very very loyal Apple employee who loves the products, loves the company, and really loves their job and wouldn't do anything to sacrifice it.


>> ^blankfist:

Why is this staged? Here are my thoughts.
1. This is obviously not a random guy's phone who works at Apple. Who would have access to carry one of these?
2. Knowing how fanatical Apple is about security, why would they allow someone to take the brand new top secret iPhone out to a bar?
3. Who was the person who found it? And why did he have an interest in disassembling the phone as opposed to just returning it?
4. Did the person who lost it try to call the phone to get it back?
5. There are a number of new smartphones, and a lot are marketing themselves as better than the iPhone. And being that the new Apple 4G phone won't be on the market for a while, a stunt like this may keep new customers from signing a new 2 year phone contract and purchasing a different smartphone if they know Apple's is coming and it will be bad ass.
6. What about WTC 7?

Why is this staged? Here are my thoughts.

1. This is obviously not a random guy's phone who works at Apple. Who would have access to carry one of these?
2. Knowing how fanatical Apple is about security, why would they allow someone to take the brand new top secret iPhone out to a bar?
3. Who was the person who found it? And why did he have an interest in disassembling the phone as opposed to just returning it?
4. Did the person who lost it try to call the phone to get it back?
5. There are a number of new smartphones, and a lot are marketing themselves as better than the iPhone. And being that the new Apple 4G phone won't be on the market for a while, a stunt like this may keep new customers from signing a new 2 year phone contract and purchasing a different smartphone if they know Apple's is coming and it will be bad ass.
6. What about WTC 7?

No disassemble Stephanie; because he just disassemble your face!

The kids are not dedicated bike thieves. The situation that is set up is completely contrived and morally gray in my book. The protagonist just put an unattended bike haphazardly on a random street corner for a few hours. Nobody does that. It's a completely unrealistic situation. I could lace a 50 dollar bill with the flu virus, and then find a sidewalk in a poor trailer park or ghetto and have the same effect. I hate it when police try to entrap people, and I like it even less when regular citizens try to get into that act.

From the title, the hostility of the viewer is supposed to be towards dedicated bike thieves; the kind that from my memory prey in parks and college campuses (or beaches) and cut bike chains. The loser of a filmmaker probably spent hours combing the places where bike thieves usually prey, with no luck. So, he found a poor neighborhood, and abandoned his bike there. Even then, it still takes a while before the kids actually take the bait.

How do you know what the sabotage of the bike would do? Neither you nor the filmmaker are certified sabotage engineers. The injury it would cause is unpredictable. In my book, injuring a human being weighs more on the scale of justice than stealing a bicycle.

>> ^rottenseed:
Right they're not career bike thieves. It's just their hobby along with building ships in bottles. This was quite simply a prank...and a prank that you can be sure the victim deserved more than most other pranks. The bike wasn't set up to disassemble and the brakes weren't cut so there's really nothing the prankster did to put their lives at risk. He even made it so they can't ride fast.
All of that though, doesn't even matter. So what if you bring cops into it? You think the bike thief would rather meet up with a cop that'll make him do community service, pay fines, or worse yet, do time? Hell no, he'd prefer to fall on his ass and be laughed at compared to your alternate solution to sting bike thieves.
Also, I hate how you make stealing bikes seem like it's a mistake anybody could make now and again.>> ^longde:
Nothing to do with race in my case, and everything to do with reckless pseudo-vigilantism. If the filmmaker put a tracer on the bike and then confronted the thief with some cops, I wouldn't have a problem with the concept. But this way, he can hurt not only the would-be thief, but innocent people who don't expect to have to dodge an out of control bicycle.
Plus the whole Compton angle is so contrived. If you abandon a bike in a busy intersection for hours, what do you expect but someone will pick it up. Those kids are not the 'career' bike thieves the cameraman is supposed to be targeting.

Right they're not career bike thieves. It's just their hobby along with building ships in bottles. This was quite simply a prank...and a prank that you can be sure the victim deserved more than most other pranks. The bike wasn't set up to disassemble and the brakes weren't cut so there's really nothing the prankster did to put their lives at risk. He even made it so they can't ride fast.

All of that though, doesn't even matter. So what if you bring cops into it? You think the bike thief would rather meet up with a cop that'll make him do community service, pay fines, or worse yet, do time? Hell no, he'd prefer to fall on his ass and be laughed at compared to your alternate solution to sting bike thieves.

Also, I hate how you make stealing bikes seem like it's a mistake anybody could make now and again.>> ^longde:
Nothing to do with race in my case, and everything to do with reckless pseudo-vigilantism. If the filmmaker put a tracer on the bike and then confronted the thief with some cops, I wouldn't have a problem with the concept. But this way, he can hurt not only the would-be thief, but innocent people who don't expect to have to dodge an out of control bicycle.
Plus the whole Compton angle is so contrived. If you abandon a bike in a busy intersection for hours, what do you expect but someone will pick it up. Those kids are not the 'career' bike thieves the cameraman is supposed to be targeting.

In my college days I knew of a guy who disassembled a large, bulky wheel clamp (much bigger than the one seen here) used by the campus police when it was placed on his car as a freshman. For the rest of his time at school he parked anywhere he wanted and simply slid the clamp into place, then slid it off when he wanted to leave.

He got away with it for more than 3 years.

Some things to consider:

The towers had asbestos issues.

The insurance companies were held not liable in a prior to 911 court case for the asbestos removal, people don't realize sections of those towers were to become uninhabitable very shortly for being uninsurable.

Can you imagine the symbol of power to the world in NYC being a uninhabitable empty building?

The office that got hit in the Pentagon was the same office where they were conducting the investigation into the 2.3 trillion missing from the defense department that Rumsfeld announced on Sept 10... no more investigation.

Cheney had bought Dresser Industries in 1998 and that made Halliburton responsible for their asbestos abatement.

Halliburton Pays Dearly but Finally Escapes Cheney's Asbestos Mess

The World Trade Center was also a huge asbestos liability and realistically held very little value due to the overwhelming costs associated with the removal of said asbestos. It's funny how it all ties together, isn't it? http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003500.php

It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.

Halliburton was legally responsible for the WTC's asbestos problems. It would have been fought out in court but Halliburton might lose. They couldn't do a controlled demolition because of the asbestos. Of all the buildings in NYC, this one was the one whose demolition would be most advantageous for the vice president of the United States. And the first responders paid the price, on 911 and later.

To add to the convenience, Silverstein had the towers insured against terrorist attacks so that not only would he get to stop paying for the lease, he would even get most of his down payment back.

He also claimed entitlement to be paid the 3.6 billion insurance sum twice, arguing that the towers were destroyed in two separate attacks. This resulted in a long court battle and resulted in him eventually collecting his billions.

In short, privatizing the lease of the property and making sure all physical evidence was quickly destroyed by recycling the steel allowed Silverstein to collect on the insurance policy instead of having to go through lengthy forensic analysis over who or what really knocked down the towers.

It doesn't prove a conspiracy but is again one of those important coincidences to take place for the whole thing to play out plausibly.

As for building 7, lets keep in mind that all paperwork for SEC investigation of ENRON and WorldCom were destroyed in its collapse, and the cases had to be abandoned. How much that was worth personally or in cold hard cash is up to anyone's guess.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_payment.html http://www.freewebs.com/inside-man/

Lulz... "or I'll just disassemble it."

Yup. Just like the Rubik's Cube.

Morality is an abstract human concept created by human beings to describe basic socially beneficial actions brought up through evolution and the propagation of the species. This was furthered by human cultural development as well.

The interesting thing to note here is that believers of faith hold that Morality is given by god, but numerous historical events show that faith based societies would commit terrible acts in the name of religion basically disassembling that whole notion.

Morality is also a fluid concept and not directly black and white, it is wrong to kill people, but it is okay if done for national security interests or at a time of war. It is wrong to commit theft, but not if it benefits me and I cannot be caught see Enron/Maddoff.

Ha. Trying to spin it like that are we?

Yeah lets make it all sound like this whole conflict started just in 2000. You know let's ignore every UN resolution shot down by the US for its buddy Israel, the incursions of Israelis on Palestinians lives. The creation of apartheid in the West Bank and Gaza.

Such an apologist for Israeli actions. Israel created Hamas and Hezboallah through its own policy actions, a blow back effect that can be seen in the way the West and Israel dealt with the Arab world in the past.

For your information the Arab world has provided jobs and living for the Palestinians all over the Middle East.

Stop trying to disassemble historical facts. If Israel wanted peace it would actively pursue it, not force concessions on the Palestinians, assassinate its leaders and target its civilians.

The scary thing is that some people might actually believe her :-S She definitely is a "Maverick" by now and the American people seem to love the underdog cliché. *cues rocky music

The fact that the media was too caught up with disassembling Palin to take a look at the candidate's actual policies might be a boon for the Republican party. If it looses it is not because of its policies, but because of "Palin/liberal media" and the stock-market crash (disaster without cause). Ready and reloaded for the next election it is?

2 party systems suck :-P

It's the disassembly socket, in case the planet needs maintenance.