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Storing dead people at -196°C

newtboy says...

Just idiotic. Idiotic, wasteful, immoral, unethical, and impossible…

The ancient Egyptians had a better chance at resurrection.
When the preservation process causes more irreversible damage than death, paying through the nose for it is just dumb…especially paying to have just your disembodied head frozen in a vat with hundreds of others who died of something incurable.
Won’t it be ironic when they solve the cell rupturing freezing issues, learn to reanimate dead tissue and repair brains that were freezer burned for decades…only to not be able to cure the diseases they gave you by tossing you in a vat with the other heads! 😂

This is nothing new. The first intentionally cryogenically frozen person was frozen in 1967, and not much has changed.

Also…who in the f*ck thinks “there aren’t enough people, we need to bring back the dead”? What utterly brain dead moron thinks stopping death, even just for the Uber rich, is a good or feasible idea.

In the immortal words of comic book guy, worst idea ever!

An Unfortunate History of White Actors Playing Other Races

enoch says...

@JiggaJonson
khan noonien singh was a genetically enhanced human prince from the 1990's and participated in the eugenics wars,which consequently was the reason for his,and his followers,fleeing to space and escaping the inevitable aftermath from their defeat.

his spaceship the botany bay was discovered 300 years later by captain kirk and the starship enterprise,perfectly preserved in cryogenic sleep.

you all may bow to my geek prowess.

i think this video is referring to the original actor and appear to have taken issue with cumberbatch not being a latin actor.

which i agree with you is pretty damn nitpicky.

on another note.
my first date ever with a young black woman was soul man,starring c thomas howel.i didnt really research the movie and was mortified when c thomas howel painted his face as black man.thank god she was a good sport.though she did bust my chops for months after.

true story.

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

RedSky says...

My guess would be he stuck to zero calorie drinks and avoided fries.

Had a quick on their nutritional website, a Big Mac is 520 calories, which is not great but not absurd. The issue is, you add a large fries (500) and coke (280) to that and you've added exactly 150% more calories on top.

All up being 1300 calories or about 2/3rds of your daily intake in one meal. Provided you avoided the sides though, it wouldn't be too hard to stick within the limits.

The issue is that MCD makes the minimum mandated attempt to educate customers. Australia legislates that food energy levels be published in a prominent fashion alongside the rough recommended daily energy intake of 8700kJ. They usually publish most of these on the side in small font. Having been over in France recently they didn't have them, I'm sure that's the case in most countries.

The larger issue with MCD and other fast food is the use of trans-fats and excessive sodium.

Trans-fats act as an insanely effective preservatives that keeps their produce looking like it'd been cryogenically frozen even years on. They're also have a reputation for clogging arteries causing heart attacks, strokes and the like.

Sodium which boosts blood pressure when ingested is a flavour enhancer which is probably why it's used in excessive amounts (e.g. a Big Mac has 40% of recommended daily Sodium). Even if this guy kept within calorie limits he would have easily been breaching recommended Sodium levels and in the long term would be elevating his risk of high blood pressure, stroke or various kidney diseases.

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poolcleaner says...

A new way to hurt someone's feelings. Oh, there are many ways. Hidden, unknown feeling destroyers that don't take effect until reflection 50 years, 100 years, 1,000 years from now. We will cryogenically freeze you, let you think about the burn, and then reanimate your body. HOW ARE YOUR FEELINGS NOW? Good? Then sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

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Total Recall - Full Trailer #2

A10anis jokingly says...

All that money to remake a classic. What an utter waste. I've said it before; We seem to be rapidly running out of ideas. Nope, i don't have any either. Oh wait. "Titanic 2 resurrection" Jack was cryogenically frozen, is thawed out, and searches for the great, great, great, grand daughter of Rose who is a genetic copy of Blah, Blah, Blah.

Audio Myths Workshop

Duckman33 says...

>> ^sillma:

>> ^lavoll:
crap like this?
http://locus-design.com/cynosure_usb.html
http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html
and the winner:
a cryogenically frozen power multiplier that costs 18000 euro!!!
http://www.hifi4all.dk/content/templates/nyheder.asp?articleid
=2288&zoneid=1
it promises a calmer, more focused listening experience....
i also read a norwegian distributor of placebaudio equipment like this in a forum claiming that moving his mp3 collection to a ssd disks made his music collection "calmer, with greater focus and more dynamic mids"

hehe yeah. Ah well, I guess it's not the fool who sells...


LOL. I bought a full set of Polk Audio's for my surround sound system and you should see some of the moronic posts in their forums. One guy even posted a link to an article written by a professional sound engineer that used equipment to verify his findings that basically said they are all full of shit if they say they can hear the difference between using high end audio cables and regular speaker wire from Radio shack for instance. They STILL flamed the guy to death. They are as delusional as fundie Christians as far as I'm concerned.

Do you care what happens to your body when you are dead ? (Death Talk Post)

rottenseed (Member Profile)

BoneRemake says...

As per wikpedia :

Benefits

The combination of fast joining times (on the order of a few seconds), and direct heat input at the weld interface, yields relatively small heat-affected zones. Friction welding techniques are generally melt-free, which avoids grain growth in engineered materials, such as high-strength heat-treated steels. Another advantage is that the motion tends to "clean" the surface between the materials being welded, which means they can be joined with less preparation. During the welding process, depending on the method being used, small pieces of the plastic metal will be forced out of the working mass (flash). It is believed that the flash carries away debris and dirt.

Another advantage of friction welding is that it allows dissimilar materials to be joined. This is particularly useful in aerospace, where it is used to join lightweight aluminum stock to high-strength steels. Normally the wide difference in melting points of the two materials would make it impossible to weld using traditional techniques, and would require some sort of mechanical connection. Friction welding provides a "full strength" bond with no additional weight. Other common uses for these sorts of bi-metal joins is in the nuclear industry, where copper-steel joints are common in the reactor cooling systems; and in the transport of cryogenic fluids, where friction welding has been used to join aluminum alloys to stainless steels and high-nickel-alloy materials for cryogenic-fluid piping and containment vessels.

Friction welding is also used with thermoplastics, which act in a fashion analogous to metals under heat and pressure. The heat and pressure used on these materials is much lower than metals, but the technique can be used to join metals to plastics with the metal interface being machined. For instance, the technique can be used to join eyeglass frames to the pins in their hinges. The lower energies and pressures used allows for a wider variety of techniques to be used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction_welding

http://www.mtiwelding.tv/videos/index/31

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Why wouldn't you just make a mold that makes that whole piece?

Transcendent Man (Blog Entry by dag)

Sarzy says...

>> ^dag:

I'm with you there. Have you looked into Alcor? not the most sterling reputation after the "Ted Williams' head" incident - but not a lot of other choices out there. I know there is at least one Sifter who is an Alcor future patient.
>> ^Sarzy:
I've been meaning to watch that film for a while now. I've heard good things.
But speaking of death stuff, I want to be frozen when die. Most of the time when I tell people that, they assume I'm joking, but I'm dead serious. Even if there's only a 0.000001 percent chance that they'll actually be able to successfully revive me at some point in the distant future and give me a robot body or whatever... well, then, why not? I don't believe that there's any life after death, so the idea that there's even a vague chance of me being revived makes the grim finality of death slightly less terrifying.



I've looked into Alcor, and the other companies doing this (like you said, there aren't too many of them), and I can't say I was particularly impressed with any of them. I'll probably wait until I'm closer to my 40s to start seriously looking into it. I'm hoping by then the whole industry will be a bit bigger (there's only something like 200 people in the entire world who are cryogenically frozen right now) and that the best company to go with will be more clear.

Kids Teaching Time Travel

demon_ix says...

Meh, but you're not really travelling through time, you're slowing time down for yourself. Might as well get cryogenic freezing and call that time travel, too

Cryonics ~ Discussion Welcome ! :)

ponceleon says...

>> ^burdturgler:

Well, I'm glad at least you are watching the video. It's very old. A lot has changed. It's crazy to me that when we are confronted with the scientific reality that organs, tissue and even entire living creatures have been and continue to be brought back from a state of cryogenic preservation, that one would think reviving a human brain with identity critical brain mass intact is some sort of scam. When you see them say "Anita is doing great" it is because they view Anita as a patient awaiting resuscitation, not as a corpse.


Again, don't get me wrong. If you asked me if I would take this service for free over being buried or cremated, sure. It is the expense v the actual science that I object to. It is a waste of money plain and simple.

The whole "Anita is doing great" is symptomatic of the delusional state under which the people who run this place are operating. Are they preserving organic matter that may be able to be cloned using some science-fictiony method in the far far far future? Sure. Are they actually "preserving humans so that they can be reanimated" no. I just keep going back to the hamburger analogy. Anita has been butchered. The people involved in these non-medical procedures are not doctors for the most part and there are absolutely no studies to show that these methods work.

I realize that Alcor (and I assume their competitor) bathe themselves in scientific language and allusions, but the fact remains that the procedures they are doing are not based in the scientific method. They clearly state that they are counting on nanotechnology (as well as other advances) that doesn't exist to repair damage that is pretty much irreversible to our present understanding. This is tantamount to me saying that with all certainty there will be warp-speed or transporters in the future.

Yes, I realize that many things in science were once science fiction, but there are both practical and scientific limits to consider. The science I will leave to the scientist, the practical stuff, I feel is enough to realize that this isn't worth what they are charging. There is no way that Alcor will exist long enough for science to catch up with what would be necessary to "revive" the material they are storing. 35 years is a flash in the pan when it comes to the type of advances that would be necessary to do anything useful with the meat in their freezers.

Cryonics ~ Discussion Welcome ! :)

burdturgler says...

Well, I'm glad at least you are watching the video. It's very old. A lot has changed. It's crazy to me that when we are confronted with the scientific reality that organs, tissue and even entire living creatures have been and continue to be brought back from a state of cryogenic preservation, that one would think reviving a human brain with identity critical brain mass intact is some sort of scam. When you see them say "Anita is doing great" it is because they view Anita as a patient awaiting resuscitation, not as a corpse.



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