So, you support shooting all the Bundies and the militia men that stood with them in the back....to death....right? Even if they're running away unarmed?
That wouldn't have been Obama and his Jack booted thugs murdering citizens in your mind, it would be an armed gang of criminal thugs getting what they deserve?

I don't believe that for one picosecond.....they're white.

You're trolling particularly hard recently, personal issues or just upset that Trump is failing on so many levels causing you to lash out?

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Then, you (We) are suggesting legitimizing their claim to be autonomous states by accepting that classification to be able to declare war against them. Horrible idea, and against international law.

I call bullshit. That's like saying if an American commits a crime outside of America, or inside it against a foreigner, America just declared war on that country. Absolute bullshit. if Pakistan's government didn't direct the attack, they aren't declaring war. You don't hold a nation accountable for the actions of a few criminals within their borders unless they are backed by that nation. Because they can't stop the monster(s) we made (neither can we) absolutely in no way means they yield their sovereignty...that's asinine. EDIT: your theory would mean the Bundies would be their own country now, sovereign and at war with America, because we were unable to stop them from taking over public land (repeatedly), and didn't prosecute any of them.

Bullshit again. Because they aren't a state, they shouldn't be treated as one, no matter what bullshit they claim. Duh. Maybe they claim to be one, but they don't run away from that claim, it just isn't given credence by accepting it. They mostly are illegal aliens in the countries they now live in.

Afghanistan had good reason to refuse Bush....and you might recall were fighting the Taliban and Al-Qaida already for control of their own country.

Afghanistan was not hosting the terrorists, they 'invaded' or morphed out of non government controlled militias (Al-Qaida started as a retirement unit for the 'freedom fighters' we trained to fight Russia) . The Afghan government has excellent reasons to never invite a super power to cross their borders ever again.....and empires have good reason to avoid doing so. Afghanistan did not start or declare war with us, some invaders and criminals squatting in caves there did.

Exactly, the terrorist organizations aren't the fault or beneficiary of the government's in the countries where they hide or invade, they are the fault of those that support them, oddly missing from the travel ban and our assassination plans. See how that might piss off Afghansans and Pakistani?

If Bundy would've gotten shot trying to take him by force I'd have understood. His entire group should be in jail for a terrifically long time too, not given a pat on the head sent on his way as he was....

And yes, I'm right there alongside if a harder hammer sits on these protesters than on Bundy's group. I just do side to the law should stand and I need some heavier proof before just dismissing it.

@bcglorf

hehe,thanks man.
i was not suggesting that my counter point was beyond rebuke,i was actually agreeing with you that to get the full story,all the information has to be on the table.

one thing i find interesting is the response to this protest and the bundy protest.

i think we approach situations from different perspectives.i am anti-authoritarian,and am always critical of power and abuse of power.

you tend to (in my opinion) approach these situations far more cautiously,and give authority the benefit of the doubt,whereas i do not...i hold them..and possibly unfairly..to a higher standard.

but i have always found you reasonable and intelligent.
and i always respect your input,even though we may disagree sometimes.

The heavy handed crackdown on the Dakota Access protesters and the acquittal of the Bundys are both pretty infuriating, though the video seems to be comparing two very different parts of the story.

The acquittal was totally down to a jury, not the actions of law enforcement. For their part the FBI shot to death one of the Oregon militia members (and it sounds like it was justified). Still that's quite a bit worse than being maced.

and would the bundies support the pipeline protest??? feck no

Perhaps they have it wrong, and the difference isn't race, but being armed. Protest with rifles, seize federal property and destroy it, and threaten federal officials directly with death, and you'll be fine?
Nope, never mind. They're right, it's about racial privilege...if the natives were protesting while armed, we would be seeing another Waco instead of arrests.

It's still astonishing that the 7 terrorists were just set free, however. It sets a horrifically dangerous precedent, and proves that 'conservatives' have zero respect for the law or civilized behaviour. Someone needs to go squat on the Bundy ranch armed to the teeth until they own it. I wouldn't convict them if they just claim it's done in protest...turnabout's fair play, guys.

I have to admit, I thought you were posting videos lately that you neither agreed or disagreed with, but were just posting for debate. I mean - if you want to stand up for the views of every video you post, then fine, you're right, you can't win - you're posting videos from climate science skeptics, bundy rancher supporters, and gamergaters, and those people are all idiots. If you want to support them and the viewpoints in their videos, you're going to get smacked down hard, for obvious reasons - these morons are easy targets. If you want to put them up for neutral debate (and accept that people are going to shit all over the viewpoints expressed) then you're doing fine.

Basically - if 'you' are the youtube-accounts in the videos you sift, you're losing.
If 'you' are your videosift account, you're doing fine.
If 'you' are a real person, you probably have 800 other things to worry about.

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I read about Bundy getting arrested, and gunfire at the arrest, but didn't know one was killed. I'll have to read that. Thanks

FBI arrested some of those militia dudes in Oregon and one was killed.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/lockdown-harney-county/

No. Not even a little.
They are being stored BY THE TRIBE at this locked, until now secure location. These morons have no right to rifle through their private tribal papers and artifacts because they don't know the tribe is involved and they assume the evil government must be doing it wrong. The tribe is outraged, their opinion is the only one that counts...after all, this is THEIR ancestral land, not the ranchers, and it's THEIR history and PRIVATE papers being pawed through and likely stolen. The terrorists have already been caught stealing things from the park, it's no stretch at all to assume they'll be stealing many artifacts they find 'interesting' or 'improperly stored'....if the natives want them back, they can go ask Bundy for them, right?