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Skilift in georgia goes mad

newtboy says...

I'm sure there's an "in Russia, ski lift ......'s you" joke here, but I can't find it.
Scary stuff. I'm guessing transmission failure of some kind, but where are the emergency brakes?

Spends a thousand to go Heli skiing, and then...

Esoog says...

I paused at :12 in full screen and it looks like the brakes are down...but like I see a lot on the slopes, it does little to stop a runaway once it gets some momentum.

Fairbs said:

are ski brakes not a thing anymore?

Spends a thousand to go Heli skiing, and then...

Fairbs says...

are ski brakes not a thing anymore?

newtboy said:

He's incredibly lucky.

If his bindings were so loose that he lost a ski flopping over like that, there's no way he would have made it down anyway. Better to fail at 5 mph in powder than 50+ over a cliff.

Also, what kind of back country skier can't ski with just one ski? I could before I was 10.

Screaming Marmot

StukaFox says...

I hate fucking Marmots -- they eat battery cables and brake lines (yes, really). They're a plague up at Mt. Rainer if you park your car overnight. You'll see cars covered with blue tarps held down by rocks in the parking lots of the park: those are hikers trying to keep the fuckers from eating anything rubber on the car.

Bad driver gets 'accidentally' PIT-ed

Khufu says...

yup, he hit the brakes as soon as he noticed the guy wasn't going to shoulder check... Maybe he could have hit the brakes harder and sooner, but why would you assume the guy wouldn't look? to brake that hard when the other car was still in it's lane would have made no sense and been more dangerous in the conditions.. this guy with the dash cam did nothing wrong.

also in Canada we can have partial fault in accidents too. % of fault allocated and dispersion of insurance follows suit. so on a bicycle, you can be found partially at fault if you got hit, but since there isn't insurance for bicycles, only the driver's insurance would have to dish out.

jmd said:

Except that you CLEARLY see after heavily accelerating to pass 2 cars he hits his brakes and slows down when the other guys blinker goes on.

Bad driver gets 'accidentally' PIT-ed

jmd says...

Except that you CLEARLY see after heavily accelerating to pass 2 cars he hits his brakes and slows down when the other guys blinker goes on.

LiquidDrift said:

Still, continuing to pass when he put his signal on wasn't the best move.

Near Miss

newtboy says...

He accelerated to make the light...that's his mistake.

According to this study, even without antilock brakes and accounting for reaction time, 30m is plenty of distance to stop at that speed. Sorry.
http://www.bikesafer.com/detail/braketime.html

Not 100% of the time. If the light had turned red while the car turning was in the intersection waiting to turn (almost what happened here), then they turned and a car runs the light and hits them, going straight, it's still the second cars fault.
BUT
That argument still ignores reality, which doesn't care who is legally at fault, it's the biker that will pay the price, so logically it's the biker that needs to be more careful. In this instance, he wasn't careful enough...or was, but just barely.

bcglorf said:

You keep saying that the biker 'committed' to making the light.

As I pointed out, I thought pretty clearly, when the light turned yellow, the driver, based on his speed and time of the video, was less than 30m from the intersection when most any stopping distance guide lists minimum stopping distances as greater than 30m. Physics had him committed to the intersection already.

As for proceeding with caution, I don't disagree, but 100% of the time the person crossing lanes going left is responsible for being sure that it is safe to do so. The driver proceeding through straight should do their best as well, but the responsibility is on the person crossing/changing lanes.

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Near Miss

newtboy says...

But bikes can brake much faster due to being 1/10 the weight. My bicycle has far less contact and stops on a dime.
I'm pretty sure some new bikes have abs too.

Khufu said:

Well as for the braking, bikes actually can't break as fast as a car often due to very tiny tire contact patches... breaking hard on a bike can be quite dangerous! My car can stop WAY faster than any motorcycle I've owned because with the car you can just slam on the brake and abs kicks in. and tons of tire contact. Also this is probably a go-pro or similar, so wide lens and everything looks way further than it would have appeared to the rider.

Near Miss

Khufu says...

Well as for the braking, bikes actually can't break as fast as a car often due to very tiny tire contact patches... breaking hard on a bike can be quite dangerous! My car can stop WAY faster than any motorcycle I've owned because with the car you can just slam on the brake and abs kicks in. and tons of tire contact. Also this is probably a go-pro or similar, so wide lens and everything looks way further than it would have appeared to the rider.

newtboy said:

Predicting someone might turn left is impossible?!? Wow. Don't drive anywhere near me, please.
Also, sometimes a bike can brake better than a family car?! Unless you're comparing bikes with broken brakes to cars with high powered aftermarket disk brakes, that should be always.
It sure looks like a blinker at second 4-5, but I could tell he was turning by second 1-2.
Neither of them were blameless, imo.

Near Miss

newtboy says...

Predicting someone might turn left is impossible?!? Wow. Don't drive anywhere near me, please.
Also, sometimes a bike can brake better than a family car?! Unless you're comparing bikes with broken brakes to cars with high powered aftermarket disk brakes, that should be always.
It sure looks like a blinker at second 4-5, but I could tell he was turning by second 1-2.
Neither of them were blameless, imo.

bcglorf said:

The moment the yellow can is half clear of the intersection the vehicle that cuts left when unsafe is already visible, aka clear line of sight. Predicting that another driver is likely to veer in for a head on collision is impossible. I've watched a couple times and can't see any turn signals either. What's with everyone getting on the biker here?

Near Miss

bcglorf says...

Rewatch the video, when it starts the light is green.

-The time on the video is 1 second in when the light turns yellow
-His speed at that time is 54km/h, default speed limit in Canada in urban centers is 50km/h but plenty of stretches are 60km/h, decent odds his 5k under versus over.
-The time on the video when his front wheel hits the stop line is 3 seconds.


From that we can say the time from the light turning yellow, to him reaching the point he needed to stop was 2 seconds. At 50km/h, lets work out the distance. 50 km/h works out to 13.9m/s, so the moment the light went yellow he was maybe 28metres from the stop line.

Australian government says that dry road stopping distance for a family car at 50km is 35m. Now, sometimes a bike can perform better braking, sometimes it can perform worse, but it doesn't seem that it's obvious a biker should be able to stop in 28m the instant a light goes yellow, seems that passing through is not only prudent, but quite likely the only option that physics allows.

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/road-safety/driving-safely/stopping-distances/graph

Drachen_Jager said:

Or when you're on a motorcycle actually follow the rules of the damn road?

Yellow means stop if it's safe. He had tons of room to stop and decided to hit the gas instead. LOS doesn't matter, he was the one breaking the law, yellow light is the left turner's chance to turn.

Guy was being a prick and then complains about the other guy's driving.

There's a reason the majority of organ donations come from motorcyclists.

Also, missed this the first time round. He's in an urban area doing 60. So on top of running the light, he's speeding!

Motorcycle Drives Off Cliff

HugeJerk says...

The MSF courses all tell you that you need to never enter a corner going too fast. You can speed up a bit or maintain, but having to use the brakes in a corner means you're splitting your traction between cornering forces and deceleration. Also, using the front brake makes the bike want to straighten back up from a lean.

This guy dropped his speed by 30mph from when he entered the corner to when he went off the pavement. I don't believe him when he claims that his steering locked up.

Motorcycle Drives Off Cliff

Digitalfiend says...

Exactly. In a different video he claimed that the steering "locked up"...um yeah, I think it's more likely he was going too fast and braked while trying to turn into the corner and quickly learned what understeer is.

Motorcycle Drives Off Cliff



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