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Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II

Xaielao says...

He is right on every point. The combat is far worse if you ask me compared to the original. Yes it has a lot of flash and style and gibs raining everywhere but unless your a huge Soul Caliber fan you'll find battles are over so quickly and things are so chaotic that there is absolutely no tactics to them what so ever. Even the big battles with the dragons require no more thought than the random gangs that look like each other that assault you at every other point in the game. And I played it on Hard even as I had heard that it adds a bit more challenge and lets you strategize much more, but I found it just wasn't the case in all but perhaps three or four fights through the entire game.

In the end the game is a down and out failure and EA knows it. The game had zero actual plot, crack addict (or 2 year old attention span) combat, no exploration, completely linear zones, the same two dungeons for 15 different events and largely boring characters with a tenth the draw and character of the originals companions.

My biggest complaint about DA2 is the lack of content. Sure it's a fairly long game but I spent 45 hours in the game and I did every single thing there was to do. I did every quest, found every resource node, every single bit of lore to be found, all of it. Likewise I did the same with my first run through of DA:O only it took me around 200 hours for that one because it was so deep of content and rich of story that I enjoyed every second of the game. Some I'm sure (if not most of the console players) ran through the game and ignored all the little interesting bits of story you could find, lore you could discover and all the side events and cool tidbits you could gain by exploring the world and it's deep history. But I personally love that stuff so when I discovered that it was sorely lacking in the sequel I was most disappointed.

I'm not saying Origins was without fault, but as a PC game that harkened back to the golden days of cRPGs it was amazing. I understand on the console the combat wasn't very good because it lacked the camera angles and the strategy of the PC version (It was developed as a PC game, EA just forced the game to be pushed back half a year so a console version could be made). But it was easily the best cRPG from Bioware since Baulder's Gate 2. Now I just hope EA learned a lesson. You cant push a game out in 1.3 years and expect it to even remotely compete with the original and perhaps the greedy fucks will give Bioware 2-3 years to make the third game.

Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II

dannym3141 says...

>> ^entr0py:

It always baffles me how Yahtzee often chooses to play the console versions of games when there is a PC version available the same day. That would have taken care of the gripes about auto targeting and mashing the attack button. And since the control is so much better, it does allow you to concentrate on tactics and positioning. I guess maybe he knows most viewers will be playing on consoles as well, and wants to share their pain.
Ultimately I thought the game was worthwhile because it's about 70% of what you'd expect form a Bioware game, and that's still better than most RPGs. Disappointing, but an enjoyable sort of disappointment.


I'm surprised you say that.

I felt that Dragon Age Origins was not quite there, but the best RPG released since baldur's gate/fallout (proper fallout, not oblivion wasteland fallout) days. I was very disappointed by Dragon Age 2. Felt completely rushed. If they had released more of the same (same engine) then i'd have accepted that and been happy to have it. If they improved on it, i'd be impressed. Instead, it seems they rushed out something which went counter to the brilliant setup they made for themselves with Origins.

I felt that Dragon Age Origins was 200% of what i'd expect from a "modern bioware" game, which made the game enjoyable. I felt that Dragon Age 2 was about what i'd expect from a modern bioware game, which is why i didn't play it past about 15 minutes.

By modern bioware, i mean past about 2005. Sorry, i'm not a console player, i have much higher standards and i do not accept mass effect as a good rpg. I'm a bit snooty about my rpgs, you can blame that on being spoiled by an extremely high standard of bioware/interplay rpgs when i was a kid.

Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II

xxovercastxx says...

Bioware seems to be on a feature-removal streak in the last couple years. First they gutted ME2 and now DA2.

I'd probably enjoy both games more if they weren't Bioware games because then I wouldn't have KOTOR expectations. Of course if they weren't sequels to overall superior games, that would help, too.

Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II

NetRunner says...

>> ^entr0py:

Ultimately I thought the game was worthwhile because it's about 70% of what you'd expect form a Bioware game, and that's still better than most RPGs. Disappointing, but an enjoyable sort of disappointment.


Totally agree. I was disappointed, but only because I expected more from a Bioware game. It's still better than most of the stuff out there.

Zero Punctuation: Dragon Age II

entr0py says...

It always baffles me how Yahtzee often chooses to play the console versions of games when there is a PC version available the same day. That would have taken care of the gripes about auto targeting and mashing the attack button. And since the control is so much better, it does allow you to concentrate on tactics and positioning. I guess maybe he knows most viewers will be playing on consoles as well, and wants to share their pain.

Ultimately I thought the game was worthwhile because it's about 70% of what you'd expect form a Bioware game, and that's still better than most RPGs. Disappointing, but an enjoyable sort of disappointment.

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chicchorea says...

Thank you so very much, not for the apology so much, only as I understand your being upset and indeed having had good and valid reason to be, but more for writing back to me and in such a kind and conciliatory manner.

However, and with all due respect, I disagree with the representation of your being an ass.

Thank you again my friend. I will exercise a greater due caution.

In reply to this comment by Shepppard:
I have to apologize, I did come across pretty accusatory and rude, didn't I?

I actually got the email saying someone commented on the video, blah blah, with the * Isdupe. However, I was also in a car packed with 2 little girls my stepmother, and step-grandmother who would not stop farting. It was a bad time made worse, so, Sorry for being, well, an ass.

In reply to this comment by chicchorea:
...yes...

...no, regretfully...

...as to why...and reacting to your manner...none of....

However, out of deference to you as someone here I respect and like, I offer my profoundest apologies. I am sorry to have caused you any upset or consternation.

In reply to this comment by Shepppard:
..out of curiosity, did you just not bother to read the comments where the sifter of that "dupe" said he would let me have the video?

Or did you just not bother to check the link saying that Gallowflak had killed off the original 2 months ago?

Either way, I'd like to know why you'd * Isdupe something you hadn't bothered checking.

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*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Mass-Effect-3-Revealed

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Shepppard says...

I have to apologize, I did come across pretty accusatory and rude, didn't I?

I actually got the email saying someone commented on the video, blah blah, with the * Isdupe. However, I was also in a car packed with 2 little girls my stepmother, and step-grandmother who would not stop farting. It was a bad time made worse, so, Sorry for being, well, an ass.

In reply to this comment by chicchorea:
...yes...

...no, regretfully...

...as to why...and reacting to your manner...none of....

However, out of deference to you as someone here I respect and like, I offer my profoundest apologies. I am sorry to have caused you any upset or consternation.

In reply to this comment by Shepppard:
..out of curiosity, did you just not bother to read the comments where the sifter of that "dupe" said he would let me have the video?

Or did you just not bother to check the link saying that Gallowflak had killed off the original 2 months ago?

Either way, I'd like to know why you'd * Isdupe something you hadn't bothered checking.

In reply to this comment by chicchorea:
*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Mass-Effect-3-Revealed

Shepppard (Member Profile)

chicchorea says...

...yes...

...no, regretfully...

...as to why...and reacting to your manner...none of....

However, out of deference to you as someone here I respect and like, I offer my profoundest apologies. I am sorry to have caused you any upset or consternation.

In reply to this comment by Shepppard:
..out of curiosity, did you just not bother to read the comments where the sifter of that "dupe" said he would let me have the video?

Or did you just not bother to check the link saying that Gallowflak had killed off the original 2 months ago?

Either way, I'd like to know why you'd * Isdupe something you hadn't bothered checking.

In reply to this comment by chicchorea:
*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Mass-Effect-3-Revealed

chicchorea (Member Profile)

Shepppard says...

..out of curiosity, did you just not bother to read the comments where the sifter of that "dupe" said he would let me have the video?

Or did you just not bother to check the link saying that Gallowflak had killed off the original 2 months ago?

Either way, I'd like to know why you'd * Isdupe something you hadn't bothered checking.

In reply to this comment by chicchorea:
*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Mass-Effect-3-Revealed

Bioware Debut Trailer - Mass Effect 3

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Minecraft Marriage Proposal By A Bioware Game Developer

Minecraft Marriage Proposal By A Bioware Game Developer

MarineGunrock says...

No no no! He's a genius, see? By not setting the bar too high, he won't have to work all that hard in the future to impress her!>> ^Truckchase:

>> ^EMPIRE:

But that's the thing... if you played minecraft, you would know just how lame this was. This took him the better part of 15 or 20 minutes to do. (probably a lot less if he already happened to have the materials stored away)
And thus the expectation of a lifelong under-performing husband is set.

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