>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Deano:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.

Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.
You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.
Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.
I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.

?!?! Does that change anything re: my criticism?
As long as you think ITV comes out with shit and avoid watching everything on ITV because you think everything is shit, you'll always think everything on ITV will be shit including this show which isn't bad.
What do i care, watch what you want! You think it's crap, you haven't seen it, fine, it's crap.
Btw, i think the reason ross did this was because penn and teller have a huge international following, he's not stupid. Except when it comes to facial hair.


Fucks sake Danny, stop getting so upset. It's just a tv show. Glad you agree about the hair.

>> ^Deano:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.

Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.
You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.
Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.
I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.


?!?! Does that change anything re: my criticism?

As long as you think ITV comes out with shit and avoid watching everything on ITV because you think everything is shit, you'll always think everything on ITV will be shit including this show which isn't bad.

What do i care, watch what you want! You think it's crap, you haven't seen it, fine, it's crap.

Btw, i think the reason ross did this was because penn and teller have a huge international following, he's not stupid. Except when it comes to facial hair.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Deano:
I've tried to avoid watching it as anything on ITV1 is a pile of tosh. Here instead of seeing Penn and Teller perform they judge magic and variety acts?? - <headslap>.
Granted this guy was entertaining but the crux of the show is handled with them looking at a piece of paper to decide if they were fooled? More than lame.

So let me get this straight, you've avoided watching it intentionally because you think it's crap. You watch one clip, decide that the whole show is exactly like that one clip, and confirm your suspicions that the show is crap.
Dude.
Anyway, the show is good, and i normally hate crap like this.


Because just watching one clip for a show like this is probably enough to generalise. This is fucking ITV, not some BBC4 documentary about Goya for cripes sake.

You see ITV1 has a track record of commissioning and broadcasting low grade material. Yet their prime-time major Saturday night hits e.g X-Factor, BGT are obviously way more popular and draw decent audiences. Their current line-up is inferior and has generally been slated. They've even got a UK version of The Marriage Ref. I've not seen that either but I'm happy to believe it's utter shite as well.

Ross looks uncomfortable here, with rather strange facial furniture, and I don't blame him. This job is dangerously reminiscent of what Angus Deayton used to do post-HIGNFY.

I recall P&T back in the day when they had a show and it was great. This derivative talent show is not.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Ooh, that looks good. I'm going to have a look. I've also heard that the Life on Mars sequel Ashes to Ashes is pretty good - though I haven't tried it.>> ^deputydog:

I'm hearing really amazing things about The Killing, a Danish drama series that's currently being shown on BBC4; you can catch it on iPlayer. As expected, an American remake is soon to air.

I'm hearing really amazing things about The Killing, a Danish drama series that's currently being shown on BBC4; you can catch it on iPlayer. As expected, an American remake is soon to air.

Corrected. Being an American I get Channel 4 and BBC4 mixed.

I'm lucky to be watching the whole thing on BBC4 right now.

[edit] ooops i think it's a different production with Carlos Acosta in the title role.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'talking points, gaza, the final solution, godwins, massacre, bbc4' to 'talking points, gaza, mark regev, massacre, bbc4, israel' - edited by joedirt

Tags for this video have been changed from 'talking points, gaza, the final solution, godwins, massacre, bb4' to 'talking points, gaza, the final solution, godwins, massacre, bbc4' - edited by joedirt

didn't see "Religulous" yet, and Maher is just another American who knows the real badasses of the cause are always near (Dawkins and such), but he's not that bad, in fact he's route is coherent - make fun of all the pseudo-populist-slash-ignorant side of religion.

For some serious bizness with not a hint of mockery, sadism or vulgarism towards religion, but plain ole Reason, i recommend this documentary from BBC4 called "Brief History of Disbelief". When I was told about it, I immediately sensed the win in it from the title. I imagine to not be the only one.

It's particularly poignant this year when you see that the last survivors veterans from the Great War are not going to be with us for very much longer. We'll lose that generational link. I do fear that alot of younger people don't fully appreciate their sacrifice.

BBC4 are showing the usually brilliant WW1 programming tonight which is worth watching if you have access.

The BBC is realising the licence fee isn't sustainable anymore. In the long term it will go because there is a limit to their remit and what they can reasonably charge for this.
The problem is there is no quality programming on BBC1. You might find something interesting on BBC4 but the homegrown stuff is appalling. I don't believe they can go on wasting our money and running unpleasant reminders like this that jar with the expectations of a nice evenings viewing.
Also I imagine it disturbs the fee paying majority but those who don't will not give a crap about the "database".

The only advantage of the BBC is no advertising but now that I have a Tivo-style device I rarely see adverts anyway.

FYI, the Benazir Bhutto clip is from Channel 4's News department, and whilst it is a British media corp, its nothing to do with the BBC. BBC4 is something else, a different channel of the BBC corp.

Simply amazing. Thank you for the posting gluonium. For someone who avoids watching tv for similar reasons due to the loss of in depth perspectives this was a treat. Kudos to Omar Rageh BBC4! Here is the link to additional viewer's comments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/yoursay/rageh-iran.shtml

Wow. You can listen to BBC coverage of the coup here:

BBC4: A Very British Coup
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20050822.shtml

The BBC even admit their own involvement in the coup here.