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Pentagon Investigation Evidence Contradicts Official Story

bmacs27 says...

I think this site provides a good debunking of this video. What I like about it specifically is that it's from a known figure within the "truther" movement. What he's insinuating is that the "magic show" theorists such as CIT are likely paid to discredit any call for more information, and provide a distraction from more pressing questions about more plausible scenarios.

Specifically he asks:
* How was it possible that the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began?

* Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just over 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation’s capital?

* Why did F-16s fail to protect Washington on 9/11? Was the Langley emergency response sabotaged?

* Why did Flight 77 hit a part of the building opposite from the high command and mostly empty and under renovation, with majority of victims being civilian accountants?

* Why were Pentagon workers not evacuated or warned that Flight 77 was approaching, despite those in the bunker tracking the attack plane as it closed the final 50 miles to the Pentagon?

* How could Flight 77 have been piloted through its extreme aerobatic final maneuvers by Hani Hanjour, a failed Cessna pilot who had never flown a jet?

* Why did the flight instructor who certified Hani Hanjour, a former Israeli paratrooper, disappear a few days after his 9/11 Commission interview?

* Why was a war game drill used to vacate the National Reconnaissance Office for the duration of the attack?

* How was a C-130 pilot able to intercept the plane incoming to the Pentagon while NORAD was not?

* Did the Pentagon, the nerve center of the US military, really have no missile or anti-aircraft defenses?

* What were Vice-president Cheney’s orders when Norman Mineta described him speaking to a young man in the presidential bunker as the plane approached, saying, “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?“

For a conspiracy moderate like myself, these questions deserve addressing. Particularly questions about how a plane was allowed to reach the pentagon in the first place. Any politician claiming to be "tough on security" ought to be able to answer for how, on his watch, a commercial airliner piloted by an untrained pilot was able to strike the nerve center of the US military almost an hour after we had already been attacked.

If nothing more nefarious, Dick Cheney should have been indicted for gross negligence on that day.

Video Of Helicopter/Plane Crashing Midair Over Hudson River

Top 30 Failed Technology Predictions (Science Talk Post)

Psychologic says...

>> ^gwiz665:
Where's my damn flying car!? This is the future, dammit.

Actually those already exist, they're just very very expensive ($1M+).


>> ^ponceleon:
when you think computer, it is pretty synonymous with bug, hack, locked up, error, and ultimately unreliability.

That's "personal computers" though. Consumer models are built for function over absolute reliability... they're a heap of software from dozens of companies. Most problems are caused by users.

The software running in emergency rooms and air traffic control are fairly stable, but that's because reliability was one of their top design goals (over performance and feature set).

Dragging Some Fun Back To The Sift, Kickin' and Bitchin'! (History Talk Post)

calvados says...

Luckily I wrote this out for somebody a few days ago:

When I was still fairly new in the air and about 22 years old, I was flying from Montreal to Winnipeg by myself in a rented Cessna as part of my pilot training. Because a Cessna 172 goes about 200 KPH and has enough fuel for four hours maximum, and the total distance was over 2,000 km, this meant many hours of flight and a lot of fuel stops.

Nearing the Quebec-Ontario border, I landed in Val d'Or to refuel and get a new weather briefing for my route. I called the weather service and they said I could probably expect to get to Timmins, ON, an hour away, without the three thousand foot ceiling coming down on me. I took off and flew west, and after about half an hour, it sure as hell did.

A hard rain drummed so intensely on my wings that it drowned out the loud drone of the engine and the cloudbase fell rapidly so that I couldn't see far at all. I had just passed Rouyn-Noranda with its airport and I turned back towards it, but by the time I was over downtown the weather made it so I couldn't see the airport anymore even though it was only four miles away. At the time I wasn't qualified to fly by instruments only and I was already in a pickle, and if the weather lowered much more then I would be basically blind and with diminishing hopes of getting to terra firma since only helicopters can land without at least a bit of forward visibility.

I was on the radio with the unicom operator at the airport, but as with most medium-small airports, he was no air-traffic controller, basically just a guy with a radio and a couple other gizmos but no radar and no real training when it came to helping a pilot in trouble -- which I was on the verge of becoming.

I was beginning to fly a sort of ersatz search pattern looking for the airport and I was starting to just head for whatever lights I could see through the darkening fog but they kept turning out to be this farm or that one and the weather seemed to be getting worse, with its attendant visibility loss and my odds slowly but steadily falling off more yet. It was a bit like going 100 on the freeway in fog when you can only see one second in front of you but no way to really slow down or otherwise make things safer. The rainclouds were creeping into the cockpit, damp and cold, and I couldn't help thinking it was the kind of air you find in a tomb.

Then all at once the next cluster of lights turned out to be the Noranda airport and I shouted my glee and relief over the radio. The landing itself was utterly simple and I taxiied to the apron and got out and got wet in the steady rain as I tied the airplane down. As I was finishing up, the rain came down much harder and the sky fell much more and I thanked God I wasn't still up there because getting down without a crash would've been twice as hard. I visited the stubby aerie where the unicom guy sat alone -- we were about the same age -- and I thanked him for his help and hung out for a little while, unwinding, before I called a cab to take me to a hotel in town.

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Can We Make A Star On Earth? - Presented by Prof Brian Cox

9410 says...

>> ^Chaucer:
good choice of music.


Whenever I watch BBC programs I often seem to find myself listening to my playlist. I think the BBC has an archive of music all their programs can use without paying royalties, so that helps. Top Gear is another program where the music choice seems to be nicked from my PC...

The actual documentary...goes very slowly. Cox is a great teacher, but if you ever took physics you'll probably wish he would skip on a little bit or go into more detail. There are some great points here explained eloquently. I particularly liked the Scientist in the Air Traffic Control Tower and the notion of civilisation running on fossil fuel batteries, points that everybody should fully understand regardless of how it relates to Fusion Power.

Overall Cox makes a good case for the investment into Fusion Power, and indeed new technology in general. The urgency of impending energy crisis doesn't seem to be filtering into the public so this documentary is a much needed alarm call, I really hope enough people hear.

Hudson River Plane Landing Animation with Audio

Hudson Crash Audio: 'We're Going to Be in the Hudson"

Every Flight on Earth in 72 Seconds

Every Flight on Earth in 72 Seconds

Every Flight on Earth in 72 Seconds

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Every Flight on Earth in 72 Seconds



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