Maybe let’s try a different tack to common ground.

It feels like the fundamental difference is on the reasonableness of the actions of the Jewish population in the 40s. I count it within reason enough to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a nation, while you count it a foreign invader from day 0(or maybe day 5 or 6).

What would you have had the Jewish European people in the 30s/40s do?

I’d like to rule out ‘wait patiently for legal avenues of immigration’ on account of at least 6million doing that, but…

It depends on the first answer, but if your answer includes the option of seeking refuge amongst the Jewish population in Palestine, then the followup:
What you have had the existing Jewish Palestinian population and new refugees do with themselves once in Palestine?

I kinda feel your POV requires the belief that, again humbly waiting for fair treatment was gonna work out well for them…

😂 Hunter, not Joe. 😂
Sucker. That’s the best you’ve got? Quit now in shame. Hunter isn’t a politician, Trump is.

“Tool and Propagandist” Says the guy who still unflinchingly supports a serial rapist, pedophile, convicted charity thief who stole from the needy including disabled vets to the extent he’s permanently barred from any involvement with any charities, and repeated multiple million dollar fraud and thief who tried to foment a coup and sold classified state secrets, even repeatedly handing top secret highly classified military secrets to foreign powers, sometimes for cash and sometimes for nothing more than attention. 😂
I don’t post ridiculous fantasy propaganda claiming it’s news, then pretend I never did that when invariably it’s proven to be nonsense slander you made up or intentionally “misunderstood” and just refuse to acknowledge you’ve ever been wrong when, in fact, you’ve almost never been correct, not even a little bit. I provide statistics, facts, and reliable references where those facts and numbers come from, you offer at your best random internet trolls making up nonsense to trigger your hatred of the “other”…also called propaganda.

Yes, Hunter had a drug problem 5-7 years ago after his brother died…and he went broke…this is not news, it never was.

Trump has a current rape problem, a lying (slander) problem, multiple felony bank and tax fraud problems, felony business fraud problems, serious treason problems, election fraud problems, Trump also pays for sex (WAY more than Hunter ever did and every time he gets some) and is also broke….but Hunter isn’t running for public office.

If Hunter could access the fund (and I’m not saying he did, you are not a credible source of information, and you don’t use credible sources), it wasn’t hers.
My parents set up a trust they (and I) couldn’t access, good thing too, I would have had nothing by the time I went. Parents raiding their children’s college fund is not abnormal, especially in Trump’s economy when this allegedly happened.
Hunter’s children can go to any college they are accepted at thanks to Joe.

It seems you have no evidence of what he did with it if he took it, just guesses. Maybe he gave it to her mother for safe keeping. Maybe he spent it on her. You don’t know, in fact you don’t know if any of this is true. Your sources simply aren’t a bit credible.

I guess you’ve abandoned the utterly ridiculous lie about him being paid billions by the Chinese and Ukrainians, because there’s not a person in history that could survive $2 billion in crack and hookers, and he wouldn’t have had a low balance if they had. Another of your dumb lies destroyed by the next even dumber lie. 😂

Your story is Hunter told his bankers to liquidate what they can and he loves them both? 😂

Funny you don’t want to talk about Trump running away from court like a coward instead of standing up to the judge and prosecutors like he swore he would, or dropping his dumb lawsuits that will still cost him millions like a coward because he’s terrified of being deposed and knew he would come off looking like a criminal idiot.
Funny you don’t want to discuss him getting tossed from the Forbes richest men list because he’s actually in debt and his net worth was always nothing but self reported lies 2000%-10000% contradicted by what he reported on his taxes, there was never a scintilla of truth to his financial status, never.
Funny you don’t want to discuss the fraudulent loans he took, sometimes from criminal elements or hostile powers, always under fraudulent statements of his net worth or his collateral’s value.
Funny you don’t want to discuss the thousands of contractors he ripped off, never paid, and often drove into bankruptcy by not paying his bills, or their children who didn’t have a college fund because Trump stole the money. 😂

You really need to stop the “Hunter” stupidity. No matter what he’s done, he’s not running for office so it’s meaningless and is only a good opportunity to compare his problems with Trump’s abject criminality and disgustingly abusive sexual behavior including repeatedly paying porn stars for sex while married, lusting after his young teenage daughter publicly, sexually abusing young teenaged contestants at his beauty competition, and treating all others with distain and hatred if they aren’t groveling at his feet, even those he hired.

Lol. You’ve got to be kidding! Still?
🤦‍♂️ “You’re” bob. 🤦‍♂️ The word is you’re…as in you are. If contractions are too hard for you, don’t try to use them. This is second grade English stuff even in public schools, and failing to speak English as well as an average third grader can says mountains about your ability to learn facts.
Your own gullibility is constantly on display for all but you to see, paired with your unbelievable ignorance it’s pretty funny quite often. 😂

You don’t see ANY crimes from Trump, even those he’s been convicted of, but because I say it hasn’t yet been PROVEN in court the Menendez cash was bribes, you say I’m denying it. Trump has been found guilty in multiple courts, guilty of fraud, theft, charity theft, lies, rape, racist redlining, tax evasion, etc. So silly bob.

I posted the news about Menendez, dummy. I’m hardly denying it. 🤦‍♂️

I’m pointing out the difference in response to the credible accusations. When they’re against a Democrat like here, Democrats ensure the accused is immediately removed from duty so he can’t continue to sully the office.
When Republicans are accused, Republicans just deny it until they can’t, then ignore it by pointing to someone else and “what about him”ing, even with no evidence against the accused, then pretend the crime isn’t a crime (like stealing top secret military classified documents then hiding them from subpoenas and lying under oath). They absolutely never remove their criminal members from power, only Democrats care about criminal behavior in their ranks enough to vote to remove it. Trump and Santos are both examples of that, but far from the only ones. Republicans don’t expel criminals, they protect them and cry “witch hunt” and never acknowledge all the “witches” that have already been caught, convicted, and put in prison.

Funny, when foreign businessmen just hand Trump hundreds of thousands in cash (or hand his family literally billions as pure bribery) you don’t think twice….you think they just like him? It’s not out of the ordinary for local businessmen to give large sums to politicians….it is odd to give gold bars and cash, but search Trump’s house, what do you think is there? His gold just comes in toilet shape. Trump did take many official gifts to the president from foreign leaders…these also were not his to take, they, like the stolen state secrets, belong to the people, not a person.

Bwaaahahahaaa. School teachers!?! What delusion are you suffering now? I know you distrust teachers, your education level proves it daily. You would do well to get some information from teachers, it might make you realize how idiotic the randos on the internet are selling you nonsense, nor how idiotic you are to believe it. Try a real source, not biased randos that make a living selling lies to idiots. Er mer gerd. You are too funny. Now teachers are the enemy….along with gays, trans, liberals, Asians, refugees, the media, unions, Latinos, centrists, immigrants, natives, RINOS, Ukrainians…who is left in America that isn’t your enemy for something, bob?
I don’t get my current affairs information from “teachers” bob. I learned critical thinking and how to do research and vetting of sources from teachers, you obviously did not.
Maybe read this and learn something… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_v._United_States
It wasn’t directly for Trump, it was directly for the benefit of a Republican governor, granted, but it made it far more difficult to charge him with accepting them.

Trump was not POTUS when he illegally stole top secret classified military secrets…he was Ex POTUS. Even the president may not possess top secret classified military documents. Ex presidents cannot have any classified documents, even the current president cannot take them from a SCIF without going through the complete declassification process. You learned what you think you know about the law from the guy who is blatantly breaking it. He’s also a convicted liar…he’s lying about the law….blatantly.
It’s clear you know it and don’t care…facts are for liberals, fantasy is for MAGgots.

If you watch his interviews, he’s gone from “I have every right to take classified documents” to “I declassified them” to”they’re automatically declassified when I take them” to “I think I’m allowed to take them”….but never any excuse for violating multiple subpoenas or for lying to the fbi about still hiding more, or attempting to destroy the evidence, or for showing these sensitive documents to anyone who would listen to him blather, including registered foreign agents for hostile foreign powers (China).

Biden and vP Pence both immediately cooperated when asked to look and return anything they had, despite Biden being the president and legally allowed to personally have most classified documents and the current power to declassify or pardon himself for any breach (according to Trump), Trump lied and actively hid the military secrets he stole in a convoluted scheme to defraud the American people again and sell state secrets for cash and favors from foreign powers like Saudi Arabia.

Every time you claim “witch hunt” they seem to convict dozens of MAGA witches.
The real witch hunt is hunting Joe. Targeting private citizens for congressional investigation after congressional investigation to try to impugn Joe, and so far every one has failed. Just like Clinton. Now the biased persecution has him defending silly gun charges that are absolutely never charged alone and are only ever used to give convicted drug kingpins more time…but still haven’t found a jaywalking case against Joe.

Again, moron, I posted the video about this democrat being caught in a bribery scheme he’s certainly guilty of….I simply said there’s exponentially more evidence against Trump, much already proven in court, and nothing proven against Menendez yet. This causes you to lose your shit and throw a tantrum. 😂

There’s zero evidence Joe Biden committed any crime. None. Years of investigations have turned up nothing at all, nada, zip, zilch. 😂

Every measure of a president disagrees with you. Biden didn’t have a negative gdp for any year. Biden’s policies created 13 million jobs, he didn’t lose 3 million. Biden has strengthened our relationships internationally and stepped away from our enemies. Trump added $8 trillion to the debt, Biden $3 trillion so far…so 1/2. Biden policy ended the epidemic and lowered death rates significantly, Trump policy was so bad that it lowered life expectancy of Americans significantly and created millions of new disabled. Trump promised infrastructure week but never delivered, Biden secured the biggest infrastructure investment since the freeways were built, republicans all voted against it and are now taking credit for all its benifits.

Lol….now Santos is the same as Fetterman? Explain that….again I know you can’t. Fetterman has health issues, but no criminal activity. If health issues are disqualifying, 90% need replacing. (Or is it because he wears sweatshirts and shorts?). But to the right, being a repeated thief from invalid elderly patients, a fugitive, fraud, and liar about everything he’s ever said is only as bad as once having had a stroke you’re now recovered from…no moral or ethical or legal component to your thought process.

You are such a joke, little man. Not one bit serious. Hyper exaggerating anything you think you have on democrats, completely ignoring the fraudulent terroristic child rape gang you belong to. Here’s a reminder…
201 IN state Rep Jud McMillin - a sex video sent from his phone. He claims his phone was lost so he could be a victim but...read to the end, he’s resigned for misconduct before

202 TN State Rep David Hawk convicted for hitting his wife. Now running for Speaker.

203 TN state GOP Rep Mark Lovell - sexual harassment

204 TN State Rep.Jeremy Durham sexual misconduct

205 Alabama Republican Party Executive Committee and former Cullman County Commission Chairman James Graves, 73, 1st-degree sex abuse of 17 year-old-girl

206 Tennessee Republican judicial candidate Chuck Hunter - enticement 14-year-old teen

207 Dr Don Boys is a rape apologist. According to him, it’s not rape unless she screams and there are TWO witnesses. This is a man desperately in need of a ball gag.

208 Wasilla Republican Sen. David Wilson was disciplined for retaliation against a staffer who complained he upskirted her. Investigation ruled that while he did put his phone down by her skirt hem, he failed to get close enough. So attempted upskirting is ok? Explains Kavanaugh

209 Former GOP state house candidate Schaeffer Cox - Domestic Abuse, also soliciting murder, terrorism

210 Sheriff Joe Arpaio ignored 400 sexual assault and abuse cases, allowing rapists and molesters to continue unbothered by anything so troublesome as an investigation

211 Ron Williams II - Trump’s Kobach Voter Fraud commission staffer, also worked on claim Obama DOJ discriminated against white voters - child pornography

212 GOP Fundraiser Michael Centanni - child pornography https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/GOP-Fundraiser-Michael-Centanni-Pleads-Guilty-to-Child-Pornography-287555231.html

213 James City GOP Chair Charles K Young - child pornography

214 Republican Mayor Bill W Nelson of Stillwater NY, - child pornography - LONG history of it.

215 GOP Stockton mayor Anthony Silva - alcohol to minors, playing strip poker - he’s got a big felony trial in Nov for embezzlement, money laundering

216 CA Deputy AG Raymond Liddy, son of G. Gordon Liddy, child pornography. Some RW site call him a Dem because they call all nonpartisans Dems, but here’s over a decade of campaign giving

217 OK GOP State Sen Bryce Marlatt - sexual battery

218 OK GOP state Rep Dan Kirby - sexual harassment

219 Missouri GOP Speaker of the House Rod Jettons - pled guilty to assault, injuring a woman during “rough sex”

220 MT GOP state Rep Jason Priest - domestic violence

221 SC GOP state Rep Nelson Hardwick - accused of assault, pled guilty to sexual harassment

222 SC GOP state Rep Thad Viers, stalking and harassing ex-girlfriend - pled guilty now sentenced for money laundering

223 WI state Rep Bill Kramer - sexual assault

224 Illinois GOP Senate candidate Jack Ryan accused of coercing wife to have sex in front of people at sex clubs - the coercion is the issue. I don’t care about kinks

225 NC Baptist Minister, state Rep and County Commissioner Coy C. Privette - so soliciting prostitutes which would not be a thing, except he paid them by check, then reported the checks as stolen, the louse.

Lol.

“Your”. “Says”

You know it’s true since Chris Licht took over, which was exactly when you started posting CNN videos with the caption “even CNN something something” as if it wasn’t common knowledge they tried to become a right wing outlet to capture Fox viewers, destroying any credibility they once had and tanking their ratings which you celebrated.

But of course you’ll pretend you don’t know that, just like you don’t know about the “southern strategy”. Just like you pretend you don’t know Ashley Babbitt is a catch 22 for you that completely destroys one or more narratives you hold sacred, which explains your absolute refusal to ever even acknowledge her existence anymore.

Only far right anti Biden outlets would host hour long free campaign commercial Trump softball “interview” events packed with only supporters and infomercial level questioning, and Trump only goes on far right outlets. Proof enough for those not blind that they’ve sold their soul.

If anyone cared to look, they pre-labeled upcoming hearings as “democrats attack whistleblowers” before the hearings even started….”whistleblowers” when talking about the disgraced paid activist actors/ex FBI agents that are 100% not whistleblowers by any definition of the term, which was clearly determined by the courts when they applied for whistleblower protection from being fired for insane violations of duty, clearances, and the law including stealing secret FBI data, refusing to serve warrants, lying to protect Jan 6 defendants, threatening other agents, refusing direct orders from superiors, etc. and who the courts clearly determined aren’t whistleblowers, but now far right CNN calls them “whistleblowers” anyway, bowing to the MAGA crowd’s factually incorrect nonsense once again. Sure sounds pretty far right to me….excuse me if I trust my proven ability to determine facts over your proven inability.

This proves once again that you are incapable of comprehending anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.
To be clear, you are only worth listening to because you expose the complete insanity MAGgots are telling each other annd which propaganda outlets they come from, offering an opportunity to investigate myself and learn facts to contradict their baseless claims and projection with. You are an unwitting tool for me. Without you I would be ignorant of so many MAGA crimes, lies, and schemes. Thanks.

No, bob. It’s not. Trump threatened America with death and destruction from his cult, a terroristic threat he’s followed through on before.
That is absolutely nothing like exaggerating a bit that the economy is slightly better than it actually is.
One is a terrorist threat, the other “puffery”.
Besides, you said you love Trump because he’s not a politician, right? Why does he only speak political BS speak then? Trump is every bad example of a politician rolled into one without any experience or qualifications of one.

That’s fake, and you know it’s fake or it would have existed and been brought out in 2018 (oh, they tried and it fell flat), and would have been his answer every year since (would have if it wasn’t so obviously coerced). By 2018 she had publicly admitted the encounter, and never denied it after that date. I bet you got that from Trump….yep, direct from Trump who even forges documents on camera sometimes. Only a clueless moron would believe something like that….from 2018! You’ve got to be kidding. So gullible. So idiotic. This is the stupidity your cult accepts as “evidence”. She was suing Trump over the near rape and confidentiality agreement in 2018…and you really think SHE wrote this DEFENSE OF TRUMP?!? Even if you convinced yourself of the idiotic, obviously false notion that she wrote it, do you really think he sat on it for 5 years?

Ahh yes, looked it up, old news. She was pressured by Trumps lawyer Cohen to sign this statement he wrote under threat he would “make her life miserable” with the full power of the president behind him, pretty certain he’s admitted as much years ago. At the time she said “This is the statement Cohen wrote,” she tweeted, referring to Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney, whom Trump previously acknowledged reimbursing for making the 2016 payment to Daniels. The signature doesn’t look like hers because she signed under threat so changed her signature to indicate duress. “It is old news from early 2018 before I came forward. I think it’s HYSTERICAL that tiny is trying to spin this as some kind of new information,” she wrote, with “tiny” being a derogatory reference to Trump.
Also note the letter denies a payoff, which we know for a fact happened. Proven fake letter.
Also, not under oath….remember, if it’s not under oath, absolutely nothing you say matters. Your rule….live with it.
Why even bring it up? Because you’re scared, that’s why…and can’t remember what happened yesterday much less 2018, so try to use discredited “evidence”…just like Trump lawyers. They lose every case.

If he wants to prove he wasn’t naked with her, show us the toadstool. If it doesn’t match her description (but older and smaller) we’ll see that. Tiny dick Don would definitely do that if it wouldn’t prove her right.

BUT ITS ALSO PURE RED HERRING- I suppose you don’t understand the case against Trump isn’t about the sex, it’s about HIDING the payoff. There’s no questions there, he’s admitted it and there’s a paper trail of the money, so he’s feeding you red herrings because he has no defense and will almost certainly be convicted of felonies he’s previously admitted to….hiding the payoffs by falsifying business records and not reporting the campaign contributions. What Cohen was already convicted of despite this “letter”.

Kinda hilarious that you extrapolate from Biden touching a woman’s shoulder in public to claiming he’s a repeat public rapist but despite 36 women claiming they were sexually assaulted, some raped, and multiple payoffs for sex, and Trump himself bragging about constantly sexually assaulting women, moving on his friend’s wives like a bitch, doing whatever he wants to women without asking, you believe the nonsense that he’s not a cheater. Melania doesn’t.


Every day you prove what an idiotic gullible cultist you are, making up or spreading lies for Trump. Your family has gone, haven’t they. I can’t imagine a rational person living with you.

Edit: Trump is planning a rally at Waco on the anniversary of Koresh….because he doesn’t want to be associated with terroristic anti government violent cults.

More unspoken gems from Jobs: Steal all the credits of the people working under you. Never recognize the people that helped you at your hours of need. And never, EVER, acknowledge your failures. Shaemlessly brand all your barely minium-wage earning, freshly out-of-high-schoolers of a staff Geniuses. Marketing the shit out of your middling products like they're bleeding edge tech. Throttle the F out of your products to force people upgrade and create necessary enrionmental hazzards. I can list 5~10x more problems but I'll stop.

For me, the only thing the life of Steve Jobs that's worth studying is his firm grasp of the people's susceptibility to Marketing.

Roads are for cars, sidewalks are for pedestrians. Sadly, I doubt the police will acknowledge their role in causing this by taking over roadways as if they owned them. Don’t run in the street, people.

Oops this turned into a semi rant. But I am legitimately open to discussion here, and am curious to get your thoughts on a few points Bob. That is, IF you're willing to actually think about them beyond the level of repeating talking points.

I find it interesting how divergent the two overall "sides" are in this country, in terms of where they focus. None of the issues brought up in this video are really on the radar of most progressives, beyond being aware some on the right are talking about them. And I'm guessing a lot of the concerns progressives discuss rarely come up in your chosen media landscape. A lot of the issues in the video are largely off of my radar, and I have to wonder how you feel they should be addressed - like, actual proposed solutions rather than just complaining about / worrying about them.

We only dedicate one day to remember our fallen soldiers

How many should there be? Arguably we have more than one already: there's Memorial Day and Veterans Day, and it seems that Sept 11th is often used for the purpose as well.

I'd argue we should spend more time acknowledging and understanding the principals behind WHY our soldiers died in the various conflicts which caused them to fall in the first place. Let's make sure our citizenry appreciates what we collectively rejected in the Revolutionary war. Why it was important that we kept the country together rather than allowing the south to split off in the mid-1800s. Why we chose to honor our diplomatic agreements and support our allies in WW1. Why we fought against the countries and governments we did in WW2. What our goals were in Korea and Vietnam, and what lessons we learned from those conflicts and from the Cold War in general. Commemorating and remembering those we've lost absolutely matters, but if we're ONLY doing that while forgetting why they fought OR ignoring what we learned then we're doing them an equal or greater disservice. Remember that America was built on the idea of forming "a more perfect union" - not a perfect one, a MORE perfect one - a work in progress. We're striving towards an ideal, not assuming we're already there. Learning from our past successes, failures, and our struggles around both outcomes is vital. If our self-analysis is no deeper than hero worship we'll never make real progress towards that theoretical perfect union.

The only mask that's gonna save us is duct tape on their mouths

Yeah, sound medical advice and evidence-based science is terrifying. Better to shut up those whose words we dislike, because we're reactionary authoritarian babymen. I truly do not understand being more afraid of reasonable safety measures than of a virus which has been shown to cause serious harm in the short and long terms. The only reason this "masks = liberal / maskless = conservative" crap came about is because politics has devolved to the level of team sports in the US, and one party has chosen "the opposite of whatever our political opponents say" as their entire governing philosophy. (And yes, ONE party - research and understand the GOP's 2020 platform if you want to argue the point.) This video even seems to reach a reasonable conclusion at the end, while coming up just short of that final logical leap to "maybe I should question what the public faces of MY side have been claiming in this Us vs Them madness." Seriously - keep going friend, you're almost there! George Washington was 100% right in wanting to avoid political parties being a force in the US, and it makes me immensely sad that his fears came true.

Big oil runs the world / the only wars to get fought are with the countries who have natural resources they want

Solid point here, no sarcasm. The US military has long been a tool of our profit-driven form of "free market" imperialism. A really great way to combat this, specifically with an eye to ending Big Oil's goddamn death grip on our foreign policy goals, would be an aggressive implementation of renewable energy projects. Remember the space race? America can be an absolute beast at clever engineering solutions when we dedicate ourselves to it. Fuck the petrostates, we have the available land and resources to absolutely kick ass in the realms of solar and wind power, and be leaders in the the post-hydrocarbon reality. We can certainly agree on that, right Bob? Left / Right nonsense fully aside, I think any reasonable American can agree on at least two points: let's stop sending heaps of cash to buy oil off of the Saudis (etc), and Fuck Cancer.

But if a white man acts too white he's white trash / he's a racist he's a bigot he's a monster

What the fuck is this horseshit? What does "acting too white" even fucking look like? Watching NASCAR on a sailboat while listening to polka? Typically when I see racism from white people it's in the form of denying that brown-hued people deal with any additional difficulties in life due to their skin tone, or denying that there have been structural obstacles for them through history, or lamenting that their white children are being burdened with a broader lens on culture or with (gasp! shock!) an accurate accounting of actual US history, including the ugly bits that we shouldn't be proud of (but MUST learn from). I'm progressive / lefty as fuck and there is no aspect of "white culture" or "acting white" which upsets me in the slightest. UNLESS one counts "denying racism exists / has ever existed" as a fundamental value of being white. Which... why would anyone want to claim that nonsense? If you want to listen to classic country music in a rusty pickup truck while driving to an evangelical church, then discuss hockey over Buds after 18 holes with the rest of your tractor pull team, then absolutely go nuts my fellow caucusoid! Just recognize and understand that your life experiences may not be the same as those of others. Further, if we care about trying to avoid unnecessary, avoidable unfairness in life (recognizing that life will never truly be fair, for anyone), then it might be reasonable for some governmental / legal / structural recognition in furtherance of that notion. There is absolutely room for legitimate policy disagreement here without being accused of racism. It's denial of others' reality which tends to garner the label of racist (sexist etc) - steer clear of denying the lived experiences of other people, allow for the possibility they may have encountered difficulties you haven't / won't, and we've room for further discussion.

Edit / final point: I voted the video back up to 0 from the -1 where I found it. Because while I disagree with a lot of the positions taken by the performer, they may have reached them through no fault of their own and with no true malice. Misinformation / disinformation is a devious shit of a motherfucker, and the rot it causes can run deep. It is painful to abandon deeply-held beliefs, on a fundamental level. If nothing else, the video gives us room to discuss some specific viewpoints held by people who think of themselves as good, but which can lead to harm.

Not sure where to put this news, but Sweet zombie Jebus….

Sunday morning in Denver there was another mass shooting, 6 shot….all shot by police. Only one was a suspect. The rest were on the crowded sidewalk in the line of fire when officers, not the suspect, opened fire with no concerns for public safety whatsoever.
Police spokesmen, when asked about police accountability for shooting randomly into a crowd of innocent bystanders said “accountability goes both ways”. WHAT!?!
No apologies or even really acknowledgment of any mistakes by police.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/denver-police-chief-says-investigation-into-how-lodo-bystanders-were-hurt-could-take-days

Now, not only can we not expect police to protect even children from murder when it’s 400-1, we can expect them to randomly commit mass murder and walk away blaming their victims.

$2.5 million so far on Jan 6. Not $40-60 million, but that would still be worth it. Safeguarding democracy is cheap at that price. Plenty of importance has come to light, but I wouldn’t expect you to know or acknowledge that, you are certainly remaining willfully ignorant of what’s come to light just like mr mushroom tip told you to do, and no one knows what the closed door testimony was yet besides the DOJ.
It cost near $500000000 to safeguard DC in the months after Jan 6…$2.5 million is literally 1/2 of 1% of one cost of Jan 6.

So let’s talk Benghazi, just one report of 13 cost taxpayers $7 million. So far, the Republicans have wasted $22 million on Benghazi, and $100 million total on investigating Clinton with no charges and no revelations of import, and no infractions Trump didn’t repeat.

Right. A concerted effort to perform a violent coup coupled with a second concerted effort to defraud the election using fake electors with forged documentation and a lie about election fraud is, to you, nothing of importance.
Sorry, I find democracy important.
Sorry, I find the constitution to be important.
Sorry, I find treasonous sedition against the union to be important.
I think prosecuting 874 seditious traitors to America and the constitution is important, and i think uncovering who the other appropriately 1100 more are is important.
I think knowing Trump knew his fraudulent voter fraud scheme was illegal before it started is important (since he was declared too stupid to know working with Russia to discredit Clinton was illegal in the past).
I think knowing the voter fraud theory came from something a drunken Giuliani found on Facebook or Twitter with no evidence, before the votes were counted, was important.
I think uncovering the begging for pardons by senators and representatives that planned the coup is important (it’s an admission of guilt and of knowledge of a crime).
I think a Supreme Court judge’s involvement in the coup is important.
That’s barely scratching the surface of important evidence that’s come to light so far.

This….this is why we say you are probably a Russian. You act like defending democracy and the American government are nothing important and nobody cares. No American would think that, but it is true that you SAYING something doesn’t mean you actually think it’s true.

Want answers? Then LISTEN. Stop believing in your false Republican GODS and grant the possibility they don't know any more than the other party.

Saint Reagan once said he'd give up a dozen things to get one thing he thought was needed. Seemly that is now a sin in the eyes of the GOP. That's one major problem in our politics. No compromise or acknowledgment that any solution has to include both parties.

Can't tango if the Red only wants to sit on their asses.* Tell me I am wrong.

Your words are like sour milk. Uttered out, then left to spoil in the light of actuality.


* "It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?" (Gridiron Dinner on April 22, 1987) Also Ronnie, so maybe that's the only message the GOP molasses asses listen to.

Teacher here. It's made-up-nonsense. I don't give a shit what gender or sexual orientation a kid is and im CERTAINLY not going to try to convince anyone to change anything about themselves.

That said, I'm going to acknowledge that gay/trans people exist in authorship and literature as it arises. You can't read someone like Whitman (Leaves of Grass, arguably America's greatest poet) and not come across references to sexuality either implicit or explicit. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45472/i-sing-the-body-electric

It becomes relevant in passages like this:

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This is the female form,
A divine nimbus exhales from it from head to foot,
It attracts with fierce undeniable attraction,
I am drawn by its breath as if I were no more than a helpless vapor, all falls aside but myself and it,
Books, art, religion, time, the visible and solid earth, and what was expected of heaven or fear’d of hell, are now consumed,
Mad filaments, ungovernable shoots play out of it, the response likewise ungovernable,
Hair, bosom, hips, bend of legs, negligent falling hands all diffused, mine too diffused,
Ebb stung by the flow and flow stung by the ebb, love-flesh swelling and deliciously aching,
Limitless limpid jets of love hot and enormous, quivering jelly of love, white-blow and delirious juice,
Bridegroom night of love working surely and softly into the prostrate dawn,
Undulating into the willing and yielding day,
Lost in the cleave of the clasping and sweet-flesh’d day.

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Maybe a conversation like:

"'Love flesh swelling' like he's in love with some woman and they...he...?"

"Probably not, he didn't have any serious female relationships as far as I am aware."

"But the title is 'The female form'"

"Well, it's possible, but it's not likely the case that he was talking about himself being in love with a woman. This poem is in the text but he wrote many other pieces about he-himself falling into and out of love with various men and we have letters documenting those relationships with his male significant others. Although, I'm not sure what to call them because gay marriage would have been illegal at the time. He's likely writing the poem in a way where he appreciates the female form and sees men who are drawn to it like the way I appreciate watching bees act obsessively driven to the middle of flowers. I like watching Bees in action, but that doesn't mean I'm going all pollen crazy, still I appreciate it for what it is."
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This is an example of how discussion of sexuality would come up in my classroom as I imagine it. Note how I'm not trying to convince the kid I'm talking to to turn gay like it's a big game of rainbow-red-rover or something. Nevertheless, knowing the author's sexual preference in this instance informs our understanding of the piece.


My own personal theory?
The people railing against things like this are the same shitheads that can't be bothered to read ANYTHING and instead giggle and guffaw at "hurhurhurhur he hadd'a boner" where I get to live an early stage of Idocracy.

Also, I agree that the "funky stuff" shouldn't be just avoided altogether. For goodness sake, just let teachers have the difficult conversation that everyone is avoiding. Reminds me of when Peggy Hill was struggling to say "Penis" when she was assigned sex ed.

I had to quit discussing things like this in private thanks to bob (and his sock puppets). I refuse now because he likes to be a completely different person in private, admitting things he would never admit in public conversation, admitting he’s lying, that Trump is an awful human being, etc. he ruined it.
Sorry…replying publicly.

If you can’t/won’t answer one simple question, there’s no point. I’m sick of answering all of yours and having you dodge mine….especially sick of it since you refuse to even acknowledge my answers and pretend I didn’t give you a straight answer. I refused to answer one red herring, biased, loaded, off topic question because I disagreed wholeheartedly with its premise, but answered every other you asked.
I feel like you’re wasting my time here..

I must point out, the question you continue to ignore trumps every question you asked….how can you deny the rights of legal women to compete in publicly funded contests as women? It’s their constitutional right to not be discriminated against based on gender. Case closed. Nothing overrides that legality.

I answered your question 3 times now. If you can’t understand, why keep trying? One last time, but I’m out. I’m not going to answer you without the same consideration.

There is no evidence that xx vs xy denotes one automatically has an advantage based on just chromosomal arrangements. None.

Women CAN be stronger, faster, better than men in most arenas, and vice versa. Genetic gender may indicate a likelihood random men will be stronger than random women, it alone does not dictate biological differences that can/will be advantageous in athletics. Hormone levels, hormone therapy, supplements, mental fortitude, training, environment, opportunities, dna, rna, diet, HGH, etc can all go into creating (or erasing) those possible physical “advantages” you reference, not just chromosomal arrangements. Since that’s true, discrimination based on chromosomal arrangements is not just wrong and illegal, it’s ignorant and evil.

I’ve been over that 3 times, now 4. I’ve given specific examples. What’s the issue in comprehension? Are you even reading? What?!

I’m bored of this. We won’t get anywhere with this one sided discussion where only one of us answers questions or pays attention to the answers. Fuggetaboutit. This isn’t a discussion

Have a nice day. Bye.

@newtboy,

On average you can agree…

I never said anything against any given pro/competitive female athlete probably beating out plenty of biologically male folks.

I was only pointing to advantages between equally gifted/talented and trained people.

To that point, can you agree that most standing olympic records as currently separated into mens and womens records, indicate that the historical separation based on XX and XY certainly appears to show an advantage. Would you be able to agree following from that, the existence of distinct mens and womens records is because without it, women would be “unfairly” left almost entirely unrepresented in every sprint distance, every lifting record and most other records.

For instance, the Olympic qualifying standard for the mens 100m was 10.05s, while the standing Olympic womens record time for 100m is 10.49s. AKA in absence of a separate competition for biologically female athletes, even the standing Olympic record holding female wouldn’t pass the bar to qualify to compete in the Olympics.

That is the advantage I am stating exists, and matters and I am asking if you acknowledge that distinction existing as a result of biology or not?

Yes but to converge the two sides have to acknowledge the arguments of the other side, unfortunately I am probably not arguing well enough and Im perfectly willing to just give up.

Anyway you seem to be able to research complicated topics well, you can read up about the history and end of the gold standard and about deflation for your own sake in your own time :-)

Fighting against fiat money, reserve banks, inflation and national debt is like fighting against democracy or free speech.
Sometimes democracy gives you Trump, sometimes free speech gives you porn (or worse, Fox news), sometimes the economy gets out of hand, but mostly these things work better than their alternatives and prevent or minimize crashes, based on the experience of the last 200 years. Every time someone thought better, they made things worse.