But, there's not a single Vuvuzela to be found anywhere in that crowd!

*woohoo

First of all, you HOST the World Cup, it is a privilege countries FIGHT for. You host this for an estimated viewership of 2 BILLION PEOPLE, almost 1/3rd of the WORLD'S POPULATION. When you accept the responsibility to host a World Cup, you INVITE the world to your country.

Second of all, when your local culture completely and utterly destroys the culture of football (as the rest of the world understands it), the common decency would be to understand this and accommodate the world and football before your own local interests, you are a HOST, good hosts put their VISTORS before themselves.

Third of all, reducing viewership is basically tying your own noose. Pissing off advertisers is never a wise move, the World Cup is no more immune to this than any other event.

Fourth of all, generally you're supposed to highlight your country's strengths and tourism when you host such an event. Not turn off millions of people from even considering a visit, all from one very silly over-bearing issue. Do you really want your country's image tarnished from a little fucking plastic horn? I hear virtually nothing about South Africa, all I heard in the Beijing Olympics was "China great host this", "China great host that".

Fifth of all, if you don't watch football (even just for the World Cup), please shut the fuck up, as you have no appreciation for the issue at hand. I'm sick of tolerance nazi's butting in to the discussion with no appreciation of the complaint, all you can do is scream blue murder.

Many South African comments are in the nature of "This is OUR World Cup, if you don't like it, leave/don't watch!". Yes well people are taking those options and if the numbers are big enough; The only thing that's going to hurt is African nations holding the World Cup in the future. Both in selection and future attendance.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sigh:
tra·di·tion   [truh-dish-uhn] Show IPA –noun
1. the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, esp. by word of mouth or by practice
2. something that is handed down
3. a long-established or inherited way of thinking or acting
You were saying about old? You don't have to tell people how to enjoy it, but they shouldn't expect anything else on the world stage to ever go back until they shut the fuck up.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^harry:
It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.
It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.
I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.

Yes South Africa...collectively as a country is pretending that they like something as a tradition. Firstly it doesn't have to be old for it to be a tradition. Secondly you can't tell people how to enjoy a game in their own fucking country, so shut the fuck up.


A father buys a vuvuzela at a game...he hands it down to his son...now it's tradition. You mother fuckers think you can go into another fucking country MOVE out the indigenous population and set up a soccer tournament and then tell the locals how to fucking behave. You're simply what's wrong with the fucking world trying to force others to conform to your standards...for what? So you can watch a bunch of little games on TV while you sit on your fat fucking ass. Fuck you, you don't deserve to live.

I really really dislike the vuvuzela. It's made it nigh on impossible to hear the commentary during some of the games, and I had to stop watching the last 20 minutes of the South Africa v. Mexico game as my brain was pounding.

They also drown out singing fans, which in my opinion are far more entertaining, and contribute to the atmosphere much more than the locust plague of biblical proportions. There were hints of songs breaking through the cacophony during the England v. USA game, and it really improved the viewing experience (let's just not talk about Green )

Finally, the players themselves say they don't like them.... The French team bemoaned the fact that they couldn't get any sleep, nor communicate during the game, while other players have also spoken out against them.

There's also the "oh no they damage your hearing" argument, but I'm less into that as a reason to get rid of them. Football games have always been noisy, and air horns (and drums) can easily reach similar (if not quite the same) decibel levels. It's more the incessant droaning on and on that really gets to me.

I'd love to hear what some South African players think of them. The man with the fashion sense said that the players love them, but I simply can't believe that unless I hear it from the players themselves - it just seems ludicrous to me.

I'm going to go to a baseball game and buy a soda for my friend. Look! I started a new tradition. You are the kind of stupid your mother should have swallowed. Who the fuck do you think you are. Oh that's right, some moron who sits at home commenting on things he doesn't understand from his fat fucking ass. Fuck you, you don't deserve to live. What an ass...

>> ^Yogi:


A father buys a vuvuzela at a game...he hands it down to his son...now it's tradition. You mother fuckers think you can go into another fucking country MOVE out the indigenous population and set up a soccer tournament and then tell the locals how to fucking behave. You're simply what's wrong with the fucking world trying to force others to conform to your standards...for what? So you can watch a bunch of little games on TV while you sit on your fat fucking ass. Fuck you, you don't deserve to live.

First off, it's FOOTBALL.

Second anyone using the vuvuzela is a complete twit. The sound drowns out the reaction of the crowd to events on the field so you never hear those collective moments of wonder when something great happens. The atmosphere generated by singing and chants is lost. And players can't hear themselves. And if they don't enjoy themselves that translates into poorer football.

As Farhad says the organisers are having to think about this very hard because it's ruining the broadcast of the games for millions of people.

And the World Cup is not about morons blowing plastic trumpest incessantly. They could ban it on health and safety grounds as it's probably too loud but in South Africa that's probably not considered a big deal.

Oh and Robert Green. Dropped. Or he should be. None of our keepers are brilliant but David James is probably the best overall.

The vuvuzela is gotten out of hand though even FIFA is considering banning it from future games.

I understand if they played it like when something cool happens but not fro the entirety of a 90 minutes game.

>> ^Throbbin:

I don't see the appeal, but it's their country - let them celebrate how they want.


Exactly...if the rest of the world doesn't like it they shouldn't go into South Africa and move people out of their homes to have a World Cup.

>> ^Sigh:

tra·di·tion   [truh-dish-uhn] Show IPA –noun
1. the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, esp. by word of mouth or by practice
2. something that is handed down
3. a long-established or inherited way of thinking or acting
You were saying about old? You don't have to tell people how to enjoy it, but they shouldn't expect anything else on the world stage to ever go back until they shut the fuck up.
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^harry:
It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.
It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.
I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.

Yes South Africa...collectively as a country is pretending that they like something as a tradition. Firstly it doesn't have to be old for it to be a tradition. Secondly you can't tell people how to enjoy a game in their own fucking country, so shut the fuck up.



A father buys a vuvuzela at a game...he hands it down to his son...now it's tradition. You mother fuckers think you can go into another fucking country MOVE out the indigenous population and set up a soccer tournament and then tell the locals how to fucking behave. You're simply what's wrong with the fucking world trying to force others to conform to your standards...for what? So you can watch a bunch of little games on TV while you sit on your fat fucking ass. Fuck you, you don't deserve to live.

tra·di·tion   [truh-dish-uhn] Show IPA –noun

1. the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, esp. by word of mouth or by practice

2. something that is handed down

3. a long-established or inherited way of thinking or acting

You were saying about old? You don't have to tell people how to enjoy it, but they shouldn't expect anything else on the world stage to ever go back until they shut the fuck up.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^harry:
It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.
It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.
I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.

Yes South Africa...collectively as a country is pretending that they like something as a tradition. Firstly it doesn't have to be old for it to be a tradition. Secondly you can't tell people how to enjoy a game in their own fucking country, so shut the fuck up.

>> ^harry:

It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.
It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.
I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.


Yes South Africa...collectively as a country is pretending that they like something as a tradition. Firstly it doesn't have to be old for it to be a tradition. Secondly you can't tell people how to enjoy a game in their own fucking country, so shut the fuck up.

It's the fucking vuvuzela. South Africa pretends it's tradition, but it's apparently something that was ivented about 30 years ago, I guess by a marketing dude.

It's a monotonous buzzing that continues for the full 90 minutes. Some channels (like the BBC) appear to manage their sound levels reasonably, but the Dutch broadcasters have been unable to cope, and the commentators are frequently drowned out.

I don't like football as it is, but this makes it totally impossible to even watch it in the background. I'll just count the number of cheers and cries in the street when Oranje is on.

>> ^VoodooV:

I'm a football newb. What's with the constant droning horns in the background. At first I thought it was a psychological thing to use against the opposing team but it is non-stop.


Drove me up a freaking wall. Apparently, they're vuvuzelas which are big horns that South Africans blow at matches. I imagine all the World Cup visitors wanted them too.

Denmark had a very strong qualifying campaign, beating Portugal in Lissabon, so they could definitely be one of the surprises this time.

England started slow today, but they'll definitely pick up the pace for the coming games. Maybe the teams have to get used to the Vuvuzela madness. Definitely annoying, but it's their way of celebrating the game so we should learn to live with it somehow. I kinda hoped the TV stations would've found a way to filter out some of it, since it was just as bad during last years Confed Cup.

Watching England draw with the U.S.A at the moment. The vuvuzelas are annoying as hell.