These incidents do provide hilarious videos (and modified gifs), but soccer players need to learn some goddamn sportsmanship

I'm sorry, man...I just don't get what you're trying to say. It looks like you're trying to shoe-horn an agenda — albeit an honorable one — on a video about poor sportsmanship.

Maybe we should be made more aware of the reality of kids' concussions. I would have to do more research though because that NPR article has NO information as to where the "estimated" number comes from. I hate to be that guy, but honestly, that guy is why we know that the earth is a sphere and it travels around the sun...you can't just believe everything you read.

Assuming that it's close to correct...or even if the actual number is 25% of all pre-college football players have experienced concussions, then I would agree that something should be done to fix it. But, like I said, this isn't a video about kids getting concussions, nor is it a video about bounty-gate. The fact of the matter is that those things are bad — hence why people have been fired/suspended. Despite the physical nature of the sport, the intent to maliciously hurt somebody is frowned-upon by a majority of the NFL. There is a big difference between seeing a good solid hit between the numbers, wrapping up the player, and taking him to the ground, and taking out his knee cap. I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

@rottenseed
You're inventing a narrative of what I've said that isn't consistent with reality.
I never said I didn't like football.
I never said I no one should play it.
I never said everyone had to adopt my point of view.
I never said kids are playing football against their will.
I did say that the certainty of concussions is reason enough not to play.
I did cite statistics about concussions that happen to adolescents PRE-college
"of the nearly 5 million adolescents playing football below the college level, it's estimated that half have sustained concussions, a third of them on multiple occasions"
From: http://www.npr.org/2012/05/09/152250525/mind-games-football-and-h
ead-injuries
Stop being a pussy and let that virulent feeling of bloodlust wash over you when those players go down. As you said, they're paid as much as they are because they know the risks involved. If that's the case, this should be celebrated as part of the game, no?
I'm arguing for safety, but I'm a pussy. And you're arguing for the game, but dont want players to get hurt. I'm sure the Saints bounty scandal was limited to that team and nothing like that happens anywhere else. Oh wait... http://www.myfoxny.com/story/19667323/calif-kids-footbal
l-team-hit-with-bounty-scandal
Cheer for the injuries that are part of this culture or call for better safety, I say.

>> ^rottenseed:

Nobody is arguing that there is heavy risk involved with the sport. It's why they're paid so much. It's also why you don't see as many football pick-up leagues as you do softball ones — nobody's willing to risk injury if they're not making tons of dough. The argument is sportsmanship. I hate Peyton Manning...especially now that he's on the Broncos, but dammit if I wasn't bummed when he was seriously injured last year. That's what defines me as a human being: the capacity to have compassion when a fellow human being is injured. That's also what makes KC fans a bunch of animals (although I don't count it because mob mentality is a fucked up beast in and of itself). Your argument is void because you're assuming that because a sport includes risk — or even the tendency toward violence — we should cheer on the physical pain and suffering of another human being.>> ^JiggaJonson:
@Sagemind Did you check out the link I posted above?
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1905-11-27/ed-1/seq-
1/
It's a bit ironic that the headline about 19 people dying playing football is right next to a story about 18 people dying when two FUCKING TRAINS COLLIDED.
Like it or not, football was born as a sport where people get seriously injured (or died). Congrats on what you support.



His Argument is not "Void" because of what happened at that game. Que era demonstrata, they cheered for the injury of a fellow human being, this isn't something unique to football either but it is something that humans do. Yes humans have the capacity for for compassion...except for all the fucking times when they don't show any sort of compassion. Putting this solely on KC fans is BS, it happens constantly, even in High School ball.

Nobody is arguing that there is heavy risk involved with the sport. It's why they're paid so much. It's also why you don't see as many football pick-up leagues as you do softball ones — nobody's willing to risk injury if they're not making tons of dough. The argument is sportsmanship. I hate Peyton Manning...especially now that he's on the Broncos, but dammit if I wasn't bummed when he was seriously injured last year. That's what defines me as a human being: the capacity to have compassion when a fellow human being is injured. That's also what makes KC fans a bunch of animals (although I don't count it because mob mentality is a fucked up beast in and of itself). Your argument is void because you're assuming that because a sport includes risk — or even the tendency toward violence — we should cheer on the physical pain and suffering of another human being.>> ^JiggaJonson:

@Sagemind Did you check out the link I posted above?
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1905-11-27/ed-1/seq-
1/
It's a bit ironic that the headline about 19 people dying playing football is right next to a story about 18 people dying when two FUCKING TRAINS COLLIDED.
Like it or not, football was born as a sport where people get seriously injured (or died). Congrats on what you support.

Naw, Not cool man.

It's a sport and a job and a business, not a battle.

When one of these guys goes to work, he kisses his wife and kids and wishes them a good day, just like you and I do. They head off to work, knowing they will be back home soon again and back with their families.

Do you cheer when someone on the job falls, or something falls on them? Some jobs have risks and you know what they are, you just hope it doesn't happen. When someone slips and falls at work, knocks themselves out, it's serious business and everyone is concerned. You don't want to be the guy in the corner cheering and jeering because that's just not cool.

It's not cool on the job and it's bad sportsmanship on the field.
It's one thing to watch sports for the thrashes, smashes and hits, but you hope they get up and dust them selves off. They're athletes, they're tough and they can take a hit. But when you do see they are hurt, you don't cheer and be glad that they are hurt, that just goes over the line of human decency.

>> ^Deano:

Does anyone stop to think why the hell are we staring at flags like they're amazingly important and significant. I'm beginning to feel abnormal seeing the number of wide-eyed flag-waving Brits on the tv. They really buy into this nationalistic crap.


Look, you can go the pessimistic route and say that the games are just the Colosseum all over again, placating the masses by entertaining them with a grand spectacle.

OR, you could enjoy it and see it as encouraging some pride in achievement, hopefully showing some good sportsmanship (almost every games there's some great example of someone being a great sport over winning), and getting kids excited about sport. Considering obesity these days, anything that gets kids excited about participating in sports is a good thing.

My kids have been running race after race after race around our house during these games as the eldest is obsessed with Usain Bolt. There's also a lot of basketball being played as the Australian basketball teams are doing well. And the kids are also going extra hard in their swimming lessons the last two weeks.

So lighten up a bit, let yourself get carried away with the moment. I for one have been getting almost tearing over OTHER country's victories, and our competitors close victories moreso than wins by my country (maybe because Australia has had ONE gold only so far... amazing!)...

You can bemoan how much money goes into training these athletes, but I'd take money being spent having people compete in games and at peak physical fitness any day over it being spent on military spending.

>> ^Mauru:

So let's say you got this giant party keg at your party of 150 of your friends. Some idiot runs up and knocks it over. You'd be pissed.
Now imagine the party-keg is a torch and the party is like a lot larger. They also just furiously debated about world politics, health and sportsmanship. THEY ALSO DID IT FOR A LONG TIME.
Let's say you're paying for the party with other people's money, and you're so fucking arrogant every time something like this happens you act as if you have the moral high ground.

So let's say you got this giant party keg at your party of 150 of your friends. Some idiot runs up and knocks it over. You'd be pissed.

Now imagine the party-keg is a torch and the party is like a lot larger. They also just furiously debated about world politics, health and sportsmanship. THEY ALSO DID IT FOR A LONG TIME.

You might just as well walk over to mekka and shit on the prophet's stone. Being pushed off a road by a bunch of jogging, silly looking bodyguards seems pretty civilized to me.

If you want a world without symbols... dude, that's a mighty off-road plan.

Your probably right I admit I am a bit ignorant of this particular sport, and after watching it again there wasn't any real time between when the ref. got there and when the ball hits them. So the ref. very may have been in the process of telling the guy to get up or get off the field. I guess I just got the impression the first time I watched it that the ref. was basically taking the guys word that he was injured and was fixing to issue a penalty. I could be wrong in this case though because not enough time elapsed for the ref. to even make a decision. Still my final word is like or not he was right the guy was obviously faking it. And the only fair call in my mind would have been to penalize them both for unsportsmanlike conduct.
>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Auger8:
I see your point and at the same time I don't yes I agree it's wrong to hurt people for no reason. Do I think one very slow air ball that barely tapped both guys hurt them, no. Do I think the ref. has any capacity to tell if someone is faking an injury, no. Do I agree with how Beckham handled the situation, no. Do I think this might open the eyes of a lot of people, refs. included who see players take glancing blows and suddenly cry whiplash knowing the other team will be penalized, I hope so. In the short time I played Football in junior high I quickly realized how corrupt these sports have become. We were taught to fake injury at the slightest touch if we thought we could get away with it and if the resulting penalty would help our team win the game. Bending the rules to win isn't good sportsmanship. Now neither is kicking balls at someone who's on the ground claiming to be hurt.
But tell me if you knew, I mean absolutely knew that the guy was faking it but knew the ref. wasn't going to listen to you, because either you were the supposed offender or just because you were on the opposing team. What would you do?
I might not exactly agree with Beckham's ultimate choice here to ferret out a rat. But ferret one out he certainly did and if it makes the refs. more careful when assessing injuries then the sport is better for it. I personally think the reason they didn't Red Card him was because the refs. knew they fucked up and knew they fucked up big time. If they Red Carded Beckham they would have had to do the same to the other player for feigning injury.

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Auger8:
I could tell he kicked two balls at him in the video here not real clearly but I saw it.
My question is this: So you don't agree that the guy on the ground was intentionally faking an injury? A leg injury at that. He seemed to run just fined after Beckham. Beckham may be a douche but in this instance he was right. Like it or not.
>> ^Yogi:
By the way what this video doesn't show is that Beckham actually kicked TWO balls at Sam Cronin...only one was off target.
Beckham is such a Douchenozzle in the MLS it's embarrassing. He runs that league like it's his own private playground, constantly screaming at officials and telling them "Fuck You" to their faces over and over for nothing. I've lost whatever respect I've had for him since he's show'd what a cruel and insolent jackass he can be.
The MLS is a joke of a league for not dealing with him properly. For this the referee didn't give him a red card, when it clearly is. The league then suspended him for one game and fined him an undisclosed amount of probably $1000 which is pointless for Beckham. It's just nuts, American Football cannot grow with these shit people.


So you hit people when they're faking an injury? What are you 8? So what he was faking, it's up to the referee to get him up and add time, kicking balls at him and hitting him and the referee is a red card offense. It doesn't matter that he was faking an injury.
This is just like on Cops when the police are talking to a guy who just hit his wife "Yeah but she said..." It Doesn't Matter! You can't hit people!


Ok I'll preface this with saying I've been a soccer referee for the last 15 years. When I'm confronted by this situation I confront the individual and I get them up. If they don't want to get up I call on their coach and he has to leave the field, and his team plays short a man because of it (unless they want to sub which if he's faking probably not) and I add time if it's necessary. The players do nothing, they have no rights to grab him, pick him up, or tell me he's faking, it's my job to deal with the "injury," manage the clock and get the game going again.
So I don't know what you're saying about the officials knew the "fucked up" what in the world did they do wrong? He did exactly what he was supposed to. He went over to the player and told him to get to his feet, big deal get on with the game. Beckham is causing problems that makes the referees job harder cause now their could be a serious altercation after the match, possibly with serious consequences.

>> ^Auger8:

I see your point and at the same time I don't yes I agree it's wrong to hurt people for no reason. Do I think one very slow air ball that barely tapped both guys hurt them, no. Do I think the ref. has any capacity to tell if someone is faking an injury, no. Do I agree with how Beckham handled the situation, no. Do I think this might open the eyes of a lot of people, refs. included who see players take glancing blows and suddenly cry whiplash knowing the other team will be penalized, I hope so. In the short time I played Football in junior high I quickly realized how corrupt these sports have become. We were taught to fake injury at the slightest touch if we thought we could get away with it and if the resulting penalty would help our team win the game. Bending the rules to win isn't good sportsmanship. Now neither is kicking balls at someone who's on the ground claiming to be hurt.
But tell me if you knew, I mean absolutely knew that the guy was faking it but knew the ref. wasn't going to listen to you, because either you were the supposed offender or just because you were on the opposing team. What would you do?
I might not exactly agree with Beckham's ultimate choice here to ferret out a rat. But ferret one out he certainly did and if it makes the refs. more careful when assessing injuries then the sport is better for it. I personally think the reason they didn't Red Card him was because the refs. knew they fucked up and knew they fucked up big time. If they Red Carded Beckham they would have had to do the same to the other player for feigning injury.

>>




Ok I'll preface this with saying I've been a soccer referee for the last 15 years. When I'm confronted by this situation I confront the individual and I get them up. If they don't want to get up I call on their coach and he has to leave the field, and his team plays short a man because of it (unless they want to sub which if he's faking probably not) and I add time if it's necessary. The players do nothing, they have no rights to grab him, pick him up, or tell me he's faking, it's my job to deal with the "injury," manage the clock and get the game going again.

So I don't know what you're saying about the officials knew the "fucked up" what in the world did they do wrong? He did exactly what he was supposed to. He went over to the player and told him to get to his feet, big deal get on with the game. Beckham is causing problems that makes the referees job harder cause now their could be a serious altercation after the match, possibly with serious consequences.

I see your point and at the same time I don't yes I agree it's wrong to hurt people for no reason. Do I think one very slow air ball that barely tapped both guys hurt them, no. Do I think the ref. has any capacity to tell if someone is faking an injury, no. Do I agree with how Beckham handled the situation, no. Do I think this might open the eyes of a lot of people, refs. included who see players take glancing blows and suddenly cry whiplash knowing the other team will be penalized, I hope so. In the short time I played Football in junior high I quickly realized how corrupt these sports have become. We were taught to fake injury at the slightest touch if we thought we could get away with it and if the resulting penalty would help our team win the game. Bending the rules to win isn't good sportsmanship. Now neither is kicking balls at someone who's on the ground claiming to be hurt.

But tell me if you knew, I mean absolutely knew that the guy was faking it but knew the ref. wasn't going to listen to you, because either you were the supposed offender or just because you were on the opposing team. What would you do?

I might not exactly agree with Beckham's ultimate choice here to ferret out a rat. But ferret one out he certainly did and if it makes the refs. more careful when assessing injuries then the sport is better for it. I personally think the reason they didn't Red Card him was because the refs. knew they fucked up and knew they fucked up big time. If they Red Carded Beckham they would have had to do the same to the other player for feigning injury.


>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Auger8:
I could tell he kicked two balls at him in the video here not real clearly but I saw it.
My question is this: So you don't agree that the guy on the ground was intentionally faking an injury? A leg injury at that. He seemed to run just fined after Beckham. Beckham may be a douche but in this instance he was right. Like it or not.
>> ^Yogi:
By the way what this video doesn't show is that Beckham actually kicked TWO balls at Sam Cronin...only one was off target.
Beckham is such a Douchenozzle in the MLS it's embarrassing. He runs that league like it's his own private playground, constantly screaming at officials and telling them "Fuck You" to their faces over and over for nothing. I've lost whatever respect I've had for him since he's show'd what a cruel and insolent jackass he can be.
The MLS is a joke of a league for not dealing with him properly. For this the referee didn't give him a red card, when it clearly is. The league then suspended him for one game and fined him an undisclosed amount of probably $1000 which is pointless for Beckham. It's just nuts, American Football cannot grow with these shit people.


So you hit people when they're faking an injury? What are you 8? So what he was faking, it's up to the referee to get him up and add time, kicking balls at him and hitting him and the referee is a red card offense. It doesn't matter that he was faking an injury.
This is just like on Cops when the police are talking to a guy who just hit his wife "Yeah but she said..." It Doesn't Matter! You can't hit people!

BEAT ME BY AN HOUR! It may be because I'm a ref but I love sports and sportsmanship, it's just something everyone should aspire towards. Rather than "Oh look at all the money that guy has!"

Wow, really?
Can you say Banned for life?
Sportsmanship like this needs to be Stamped Out!!

Awesome. Great sportsmanship from both teams!

Thank You All.

And , in the interest of good sportsmanship...
http://videosift.com/video/Who-do-you-think-you-are-I-am