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Can we call out Christianity's violent hatred towards gays first, please?
In this country, they've attacked far more homosexuals than Muslims, and have furthered violent hatred of gays in other countries, lobbying to make it illegal anywhere they can.

Really?!? So he thinks religious hatred for homosexuals is only held by Muslims? What utter bullshit.

Ask the exact same questions in a Southern Baptist church, you'll get the same 100% hands raised....and not a single one would say they're 'extremists' either.
Pat Robertson just went on TV and said Christians should stand back and let the Muslims kill the homosexuals....he has tens of millions of followers.....that are "Christians".

If you REALLY think what this guy spouts, you MUST be against ALL religion, or you're simply dishonest or totally naïve...or both.

This was some insane bullshit hyperbole. Downvote.

evil is subjective based on ones perception.
moral relativism.
a fundamentalist struggles with three basics:
1.original sin
2.creation as put forth in genesis
3.the resurrection

the fundamentalist does not struggle in the beliefs of these three things but rather they struggle to defend them,because all three are easily vivisected.
what most free-thinking people have a hard time comprehending (understandably so) is why a fundamentalist will continue to defend these three in particular when the evidence is overwhelmingly the opposite.
put quite simply..they have to.
to accept even the remotest possibility that any of these tenants might be incorrect is tantamount to refuting god because to them the bible is the UN-ERRING word of god.
for example:to accept evolution is to say the book of genesis is wrong and to a fundamentalist these equates to saying god is wrong.so they are forced to defend a book that is in actuality a metaphorical representation of kabballah.genesis is about creation just not in the literal sense that fundamentalist comprehend it to represent.

christianity can be broken down in to three basic categories:
1.liberal=catholic,episcopalian,methodist etc etc
2.evangelical=pentacostal,baptist (not all baptist btw)
3.fundamentalist=southern baptist,church of the nazerene,7th day adventist

the liberal christian believes in jesus christ and the resurrection.they believe in heaven and hell (abstractly at least).they view such books as genesis as allegorical but not historical and view other biblical books as metaphor and glean what wisdom they can based on their own understandings.they will accept another as christian as long as that person beleieves jesus is christ and he died for their sins.

the evangelical is part fundamentalist and part liberal.they change their view in accord with the situation but the most important part of an evangelical christians life is to spread the word of salvation.to spread the word of christ to all who will listen.

the fundamentalist is an all-together different animal.the bible is the un-erring word of god..end of discussion.while they spread the word of god and the salvation and grace afforded us by the death and resurrection,they will also perceive any questioning in a negative manner of their belief in the infallible bible as a personal attack upon themselves and will respond in kind (wrapped in false humility).they are commanded to save your soul and they will engage in this venture with vigor and gusto but when met with resistance they will become agitated and confused.
to them they are sharing the word...they are offering you salvation and if questioned,mocked or refused they become baffled at first.
why would anybody refuse or question pure love and forgiveness?
refuse peace of mind and a calm,joyful heart?

philosophical musings concerning the nature of morality and good and evil aside,to a fundamentalist there is only black and white.either it came from god or the satan did it.now they may rationalize this in a many number of different ways but in the end it always comes down to that basic equation and for those of you who know religious history you understand the vast number who were slaughtered,maimed,tortured and outright murdered due to that infantile approach.that highly destructive approach is what helped usher in the christian reformation and is why people are no longer forced to accept the churches edicts or christians killing other christains for not being "the right kind of christian".the fundamentalist has no problem pointing to another christian and accusing him/her of being false (isnt that right shiny?)because the fundamentalist need only refer to the bible to exact his/her judgment of another.the fundamentalist will also retreat to the most intellectually ineffective place when faced with constant opposition:satan

so when engaging with a fundamentalist understand that your continued perceived attacks on that fundamentalists biblical understandings and your unwillingness to accept that jesus christ is lord and died for your sins...well..then you are damned and have been deluded by satan.you have been tricked by the most indominable trickster and while the fundamentalist may pray for you..to them you are damned to an eternity of punishment and sorrow.because that is the last and only place a fundamentalist can retreat to...satan did it and satan has corrupted you.may the lord have mercy on your soul.the bible is truth incarnate to them and everything else is a lie brought upon this earth by satan.

this is why i do not engage with a fundamentalist.for anything i postulate that may be construed as being in conflict with biblical teachings will immediately be rejected and despised and if i continue then it is ME that will be rejected and despised..as an agent of satan.(but they will pray for my soul..thank you for that mr fundamentalist).

this is the reason why we see so many fundamentalist attempting to disprove evolution or prove the truth of the bible being historically accurate.
they have to..to do otherwise would mean reject god.

i am not going to downvote this video but i refuse to upvote either.
good luck shinyblurry in your attempts to educate the masses on the truth.

I grew up in a Southern Baptist church myself. Though not nearly as extreme as the Phelps' church, I was in a program called Bible Drill where we studied major verses, memorized the books of the Bible, learned the proper way to hold the Bible, and learned the distance between each book of the Bible so that we could quickly and accurately turn to the precise book then locate the verse. We were then sent to compete with other churches to decide who was the ultimate in Bible knowledge and Bible form.

I'm pretty certain this is normal for your average Christian family that's really on fire for the Lord. Then they send their young teenagers and kids off to their segregated Christian-denomination-of-choice youth camp where you have fun, pray together, cry about your tormented existence on this temporary plane of existence, hug a lot, then listen to witty sermons and corny camp/church songs... Or you say FUCK THAT and ditch the sermons to go hang out with some hotties and whoever snuck pot into camp, play hours of ping pong, then sneak into the girl's cabins at night and throw water balloons at them to wake em up and see them in their undies.

Unfortunately this sad fella was born a Phelps and so now instead of a silly memory of how he avoided becoming another sheep in the flock, he has a traumatic tale of abuse and eventual escape.

>> ^oohahh:

For a fun game, watch the body language. Note when the respondents look down, look to the sides, and blink.
Body Language of Lies:
• Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space.
• A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact.
• Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Touching or scratching the nose or behind their ear. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand.
- from http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php


Don't believe everything you read about liars. Good liars can make eye contact and lie. Great lairs can make you believe it.

Also, it's not a lie if they believe it.

Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098904/quotes

I once heard a youth minister at a Southern Baptist Church say, "If you pray hard enough, and you really need something; God will give it to you." This guy never took his eyes off of the crowd, and he really believed that bullshit he was spouting. Was he lying? Probably, he was of the age to know that God is fiction; like Santa Claus.

christianity can be broke down in three subsets:
1.liberal=roman catholic,episcopalian etc etc.
2.evangelical= baptist,pentacostal etc etc.
3.fundamentalist=southern baptist,church of the nazarene etc etc.

there are a myriad of christian sects based on calvinism,ecclastiastical and davidian teachings.add to that a ton more and you may get the picture.christianity is as diverse as islam or hindu (ok,not hindu.those guys throw nothing away).
there are many in the evangelical sect that conflate their nationalism with their religion.this has been subtley coerced since the late 70's by evangelical preachers and has been reinforced by the political party (republican).
now you may not conflate your religion with your sense of nationalism,but a third of america does.this is what reza is speaking about.

I'm with dag on this one. Besides... I like to think there is some all powerful code monkey running this server.

But on a serious note:

I knew some one who was part of a Coven (yes I know its crazy), then one day she was saved after being dumped into a vat of water behind the podium of a southern baptist church.

Religious people are raving lunatics. I pray to the video game god, at least it rewards me with gold, player versus player, and unimaginable fun.

Ugh, my mother listens to this garbage on the radio. I hadn't realized how ridiculous this personality was until now because I simply blocked out the sounds from the speaker. No wonder she gets such horrid ideas in her head. Well... there's also the Southern Baptist church she attends. *shudder*

I love me mum, mind you, but she's incapable of avoiding this type of peer pressure. Ain't that a thing? A son, worried about the peer pressure his mom faces?