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This is what a coward looks like

vil says...

Cvjetanovic is more likely southern-slavic-last-name (Serb or Croat) - making him also historically more likely to have a fascist streak as opposed to anyone even remotely Polish.

Back to the video - these people are a pain to listen to. I totally appreciate Dags comment because you really have to keep reminding yourself this could be your neighbour, your childs friends parent, co-worker, someone on your football team or whatever... What a contrast with that adorable grandma insisting on toasting Hitler.

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Maddow on the F-22 Raptor

kulpims says...

*wings. and I think she said 30 hours of maintenance for each hour in flight(?) ^schmawy: b-2 and other stealth aircraft also had problems with radar absorbing surfaces... nobody really knows how the f117 over serbia was shot down, the serbs claim it was a modified sa-3 goa missile with the help of czech made tamara radar system which used some kind of ir recognition system... who knows. maybe it was a planning error - serbs had a spy in nato hq at the time and supposedly knew the routes and other operational details of us bomber missions over serbia

Bosnian war criminal Radovan Karadžić arrested

jonny says...

^ KP - That's exactly what I was thinking when I heard about this. There are rumors that he died, but who knows. General Mladic was even more loved by many Serbs than Karadic. Old war hero and all that. He's got hundreds, maybe thousands, of potential safe houses. But, yeah, for my money, the general is the guy to get.

It is interesting to think about how this came about, i.e., because the current government is determined to get Serbia into the EU. I wonder if it will set a precedent for other countries. There is some danger in that.

US embassy in Belgrade set ablaze because of Kosovo

kulpims says...

where were these people demonstrating when the army and serbian militia were killing innocent people in Bosnia and Croatia? serbs were always a minority in kosovo anyway, less than 10%, and most of them are gone now (since 1999), only some 100.000 remain in the northern enklaves. they'll just have to swallow it up and move the fuck on.
and as my friends from belgrade and novi sad tell me, the country is pretty much divided along those lines - the young urban population that just wants to move on and want serbia to eventualy join the EU on one side, and the nationalists, who want to "liberate" kosovo with AK's on the other...

Kosovo's independence (Worldaffairs Talk Post)

choggie says...

How to combat such atrocious behavior???? Ethnically homogeneous communities should be left the fuck alone, Muslims and all their petty points of contention with their brethren need to have enemas forced upin them until they calm the fuck down, and the countries who use and abuse the most black gold, need to slow their long draws off the nipple to a creep, and perhaps become heroic in a new quest, to eradicate sick, dumb motherfuckers from the planet.....
Like Maaaackmoood Handjob, LIKE Kim Dung Ill......Ethnic tension should be punishable by water-boarding (pulling folks behind fast-boats on a sheet of plywood)

Me??? Moving inland, growing my own food, and hoarding ammunition and gold.....
AND, driving paid for shit, as little as possible. Fuck all if some president can do jack nor shit to change anything-we will probably end up embroiled once again in some clash in the Balkans before it's all said and done, hell, WW1 started with some "damn fool thing" there.......and Thank fucking God, Otto Von Bizzy was right when he mused.."
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America. "

oh, and what about the serbs?...all the gypsies, etc-they are getting fucked again as well. Not that the serbs are w/o their "atrocities"....but hey, thank Bill Clinton, and the Nato Goonsquads for playing on human weakness......Politics are for people who have their head shoved so far up their ass they can only see from that limited perspective......

Kosovo Declares Independence from Serbia - Crisis looming?

Noam Chomsky shares little-known background information behind the 2006 violence/war in Israel/Lebanon/Palestine

jessica says...

This clip is rubbish and absolute propaganda. Talk about leaving out facts! One small example of its omission of major facts is that it does not mention the six soldiers who were killed when they kidnapped the other two in Israeli borders! This clip mentions so many incorrect things that I don't know where to start to criticize it. Here is an article with some sense: Frederick Forsyth (Daily Express, 11/8): “It must surely be true that the level of lies and hypocrisy that a society can tolerate is in direct proportion to the degeneration of that culture.

Personally I am not particularly pro or anti Israel, pro or anti Arab or pro or anti Islam. But I do have a dislike of myth, hypocrisy and lies as opposed to reality, fairness and truth.

Watching the bombing of Lebanon it is impossible not to feel horror and pity for the innocent civilians killed, wounded or rendered homeless. But certain of our politicians, seeking easy populism and the cheapest round of applause in modern history, have called the Israeli response “disproportionate”. Among thee politicos are Jack Straw and that master of EU negotiations William Hague.

That accusation can only mean: “disproportionate to the aggression levelled against them”. Really? Why did the accusers not mention Serbia? What has Serbia got to do with it? Let’s refresh our memories.

In 1999 five Nato air forces – US, British, French, Italian and German – began to plaster Yugoslavia, effectively the tiny and defenceless province of Serbia. We were not at war with the Serbs, we had no reason to hate them, they had not attacked us and no Serbian rockets were falling on us.

But we practically bombed them back to the Stone Age. We took out every bridge we could see. We trashed their TV station, army barracks, airfields and motorways.

We were not fighting for our lives and no terrorists were skulking among the civilian population but we hit apartment blocks and factories anyway. There were civilian casualties. We did not do it for 25 days but for 73. We bombed this little country economically back 30 years by converting its infrastructure into rubble. Why?

We were trying to persuade one dictator, Slobodan Milosevic, to pull his troops out of Kosovo, which happened to be (and still is) a Yugoslav province. The dictator finally cracked; shortly afterwards he was toppled but it was his fellow Serbs who did that, no Nato.

Before the destruction of Serbia, Kosovo was a nightmare of ethnic hatred. It still is. If we wanted to liberate the Kosovans why did we not just invade? Why blow Serbian civilians to bits?

Here is my point. In all those 73 days of bombing Serbia I never heard one British moralist use the word “disproportionate”.

The entire point of Hezbollah is not to resolve some border dispute with Israel; its aim is to wipe Israel off the map, as expressed by Hezbollah’s master, the crazed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. That aim includes the eradication of every Israeli Jew; i.e. genocide.

Serbia never once threatened to wipe the UK off the map or slaughter our citizens, yet Straw, in office in 1999, and Hague, leading the Conservative Party, never objected to Serbia being bombed.

As an ex-RAF officer I am persuaded the Israelis fighter pilots are hitting civilian-free targets with 95% of their strikes. These are the hits no TV network bothers to cover. It is the 5% that causes the coverage and the horror: wrong target, unseen civilians in the cellar, misfire, unavoidable collateral casualties. Unavoidable?

Israel has said I effect, “If you seek to wipe us out we will defend ourselves to the death. You offer us no quarter, so we will offer none to you. But if you choose intentionally, inadvertently, or through the stupidity of your government to protect and shelter the killers among yourselves then with deepest regret, we cannot guarantee your exemption.”

Yesterday we Brits learned that certain elements in our society had tried to organise a mass slaughter of citizens flying out of our airports. We will have to take draconian measures against these enemies in our midst. Will Messrs Hague and Straw complain our methods are disproportionate? Not a chance. Now that, dear readers, is blatant hypocrisy.”

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