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RAF ftw :]

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Oooo I didn't notice before. Thanks gwizzo, nice choice

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*promote right yeah.

it is also horrible to think about the conditions these planes were built under. I think much more KZ labour died making these planes than what the planes "achieved" in the field.

my knowledge on this subject is very limited, but i think i read some RAF pilot report saying that these Mes could so easily "outclimb" the spitfire, and if the spitfire pilots tried to follow, they would waste large amounts of fuel. So that became a "standard" tactic for the waffe pilots, fly low, and climb faster than any plane had ever climbed before to surprise attack.

One early "glory" moment for these jets was than one alone took down a flying fortress, and the crew on the flying fortress didnt even see what hit them.

no you don't get it, i mean the way they talk is unnatural, and filtered by an instinct to project somebody else's viewpoint, rather than just freely articulating the thoughts which they have formed through hours of careful consideration.

find me that video of soldiers intelligently and articulately explaining their freethinking independent opinion of Clinton.

Military training is about breaking your brain until you forget how to think for yourself as an individual, so you follow orders more efficiently and work well with your team.

I mean it's called military DISCIPLINE ffs, as in disciple, as in follower of jesus.

how do i know this is true? err... RAF officer told me during my cadet training. one of the main reasons i didn't join the regulars.

when i was in north wales, an raf officer told me they can't drive down certain roads because the local welsh nationalists would throw stones at the british land rover.

just to put that story in perspective.

preexisting medical conditions don't kill people, cops do.

but in this video all i saw was some guy so high he thought he could escape, and the police didn't want to let him. slapping him in the face is hardly "brutalising" if you are trying to communicate with a guy on a crack rush, hell i would slap my own mother if she was getting that hysterical.
the rest was just clumsy restraint and wasting time with the taser.

the most effective technique seemed to be the guy saying "give it up dude".

@MG we had RAF lectures about dealing with people nicely so as not to escalate confrontation. You get that too? interesting stuff.

downvote for insanely bad title.

This video led to a sudden increase in the number of beatniks applicants to the RAF.

At least it should've.

Man, BEST recruiting video ever.

HI! I don't recall addressing anything of this nature to you! But thanks for the personal biography! You may need some work on the writing part, though!>> ^MINK:
>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>>And have you ever fired a gun; owned anything remotely dangerous to anyone besides yourself? Ever gutted a animal? Wait, no that would require an affirmative to the previous question. Please change the subject again and don't provide any evidence of your own personal survival skills.

HI! I have fired assault rifles and handguns, probably more accurately than you, and oh yeah i can gut a rabbit, the heart and kidneys have high nutritional value.
So does that qualify me to call your behaviour in this thread dickish?
HA! Gun totin' antiwar ex-RAF socialist veggie avengers to the rescue!
Can you fly a plane? because I can, so if you can't then i guess your juvenile debating rules mean you can't answer me back now, so you just have to suck it.


HI! I don't recall addressing any of this to you! But thanks for the personal biography! You may need some work on the writing part, though!

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
>>And have you ever fired a gun; owned anything remotely dangerous to anyone besides yourself? Ever gutted a animal? Wait, no that would require an affirmative to the previous question. Please change the subject again and don't provide any evidence of your own personal survival skills.


HI! I have fired assault rifles and handguns, probably more accurately than you, and oh yeah i can gut a rabbit, the heart and kidneys have high nutritional value.

So does that qualify me to call your behaviour in this thread dickish?

HA! Gun totin' antiwar ex-RAF socialist veggie avengers to the rescue!

Can you fly a plane? because I can, so if you can't then i guess your juvenile debating rules mean you can't answer me back now, so you just have to suck it.

Dude, the "left" does NOT EXIST.

I wish that were the case.

you CANNOT group people into two halves.

You mean, like, the "haves" and "have-nots"?

Every time you say "the left" or "liberal" you sound like a fucking twat. Nobody knows what you mean by "left". Apparently to you it means "wrong", as in the opposite of "right". LOL.

Now now, no need to be profane or anti-fane. YOU may not know what a leftist is but a great many people do know what is meant by 'the left', leftist, socialist, etc. Obviously the term differs slightly from country to country. Both major parties in Britain are socialist; one is more conservative than the other.

The paradigm to replace "right" and "left" is "statist" versus "small-l" libertarian. It's not quite there yet, and in the meantime, "onservatism versus liberalism", or "right vs. left" will do.

I ask you this... where do you classify me? I like small government and nationalised healthcare. Yes you can have both. It doesn't

take much governmental apparatus to collect money and give it to hospitals.

You can have "both", but only for a very limited time, then it's over, and government balloons exponentially. Happens every single time it's been tried.

So am i "right" or "left"?

I don't believe gay marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage. I think abortion should be allowed, but restricted. I think

governments waste huge amounts of money. I think we need a government. I hate evil corporations. I agree with the principle of

property ownership. I love guns but I think they should be banned or at least restricted much more than they are in the USA. I served

in the RAF but I am a pacifist. But I would fight for my family. I opposed the war in Iraq for economic, constitutional and

humanitarian reasons. I hate the BBC, FOX, MOVEON, DISNEY, MTV, TYT, CONSERVAPEDIA, THE NATION, and i find DEMOCRACY

NOW intensely boring and annoying. I am agnostic about god.

SO fucking figure that out. Am I on the right? Or the left?

My interpretation? Generally speaking, I'd say you're left-leaning on most issues. You have an unexamined hostility towards capitalism and corporations, and while you're aware that government is wasteful and corrupt, you'd rather they wield the difference of power rather than 'the people'. You despise the major brands of media influence yet, like all artists, are frustrated because whether you support or oppose The Machine, you're still orbiting its imaginary center.

A pacifist is defined as "a person who believes in pacifism or is opposed to war or to violence of any kind." That being the case, you're employing a paradox by stating you'd wound or kill to defend your family. In other words, idealism ends when enemies present viable threats. What I find amusing is, if some wacko outside your window yelled, "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you!" you wouldn't hesitate to grab your own gun, whether the wacko "proved" he actually had a gun or not. That's not paranoia, it's common sense. But when a wacko like Saddam announces he's got a gun, and he's proven in the past he'll use it indiscriminately, and all your neighbors also believe he will use the gun, the anti-war left would rather you just ignore the situation. WTF.

I think you have a young, unexamined yet comfortable worldview, and though you claim to chortle at "2 opposing sides" you tend to view things in black and white. Iraq good, USA bad. UN good, USA bad. War is always wrong. Torture is always wrong. Corporations are always evil. Those seeking "social justice" are always good and working for the best interest of all and NEVER for self-gain.

And as for your declaration that "inevitable genocide" is "unacceptable"... wow.

To leave Iraq before it's stabilized delivers it unto chaos. The left (statists) have made it clear they don't give a shit about any resulting genocide. Like spoiled children, they want what they want and that's that, don't care about anything else.

Based on your worldview, were I you I'd reach the exact same conclusions about the Iraq war that you have. The difference then, is that I'm taking into account all possible outcomes, not just the ones I'd like to see happen. Had we not taken out Saddam, he'd probably have died at a ripe old age and his thug sons would've taken over and Iraq would still be a backwards hellhole.

Think of it like this dude, although maybe you can twist words into comebacks, maybe you're not actually making a point, you're just "debating"... the way you have been trained to debate, i.e. with 2 sided arguments.

You and many others on the sift want 'wiggle room' for those times uncomfortable facts and logic make themselves known, and this wiggle room is usually provided by suggesting that "no labels apply" or that their unique views exist outside of categorization.
Liberalism is a starting point, not the finish line.

It's kinda like you live in a dictatorship and you have been brainwashed to think like that.

Once your eyes are opened and knowledge and experience received, you can't go back to being a leftist, because you won't be able to 'unsee' the inherent flaws in what amounts to an unworkable and unjust system even less fair than capitalism.

So you don't like "2-sided arguments"...all right then, have you ever gone beyond your own foregone conclusions and considered Iraq just might benefit in the long run, that the US has given them an opportunity to make their fledgling government work and given their people a real shot at self-determination? It's something the UN has never done for any country.

I'm not upset by opposing points of view, and once again, I never picked up a keyboard to change anyone's mind. We're all working thru the thing.

The dark days of WWII: When no one knew if the Nazis might win, and the man was hassling RAF pilots about their trousers. Dark days indeed.