I remember playing Fallout 1/2 and being a "Savior of the Wasteland" and being a stealthy character robbing everyone blind. I'd pickpocket fancy armor off some shopkeeper and then promptly sell it back to him. I did however give most slavers the dynamite in the pants treatment on general principal.

I've gotta say I'm disappointed with the extremity of your response.

To actually quote you, this may have been "Attempted murder" of a "Child"?

From the video this looks like a HS room, and the student looks not much different in size from many adults., so the child part seems a bit much, no? From the video, it sure doesn't look fatal. Heck, a typical fail video has more severe injuries in it.

My entire post though was asking what do we expect as a better response as a society? Is it really a good function of our school system that a student that refuses to go to the principals office requires not one, but two uniformed police officers to handle the situation correctly? I personally believe we've failed as a society a few steps before this.

Is it really best that we mandate that all school staff are absolutely forbidden to come into physical contact with the students? No taking a kid by the ear, certainly, as that could hurt them. Not even grabbing by the arm and dragging them to the office? Are we really wanting the only acceptable use of any physical force to require a pair of police officers called in?

My question is what does our society expect to happen here?

This kind of situation has become routine in the system, at least here in Canada. The teacher asks a student to do something, like put away their cell phone. The student refuses, or more often than not tells the teacher off. The teacher then asks the student to go down to the principals office. The student refuses, or more often than not tells the teacher off again. The teacher is absolutely and completely forbidden to use any manner of physical force to require the student to listen. Since the teacher can't get the student to go to the principle, their only recourse is to bring the principle to the student. The joke is, the principle has absolutely no more authority to force the student to comply than did the teacher.

What do people expect as the 'right' course of action here in our society today? If students decide they just don't wanna do anything they are told, is that just the end of it? Is there absolutely never any circumstance under which we finally reach the point were using actual physical force to remove them from the school can be deemed acceptable?

Sorry, but I truly am fearful of a world were we teach students that they are free to ignore any and all authority. More over, so long as they refrain from violence, they can defy authority with impunity knowing it is immoral for any authority to use force to get them to comply.

WHATEVER!!! This is such bullshit. To suggest that this kid was not profiled--at least to some degree--is absolute nonsense. Once, I told a kid I was going to come to school and shoot him with a gun. I was young, impulsive, and angry. Not something I'm proud of, to say the least. But it was WAY worse than this kid did. And this was in a public school in FLORIDA.

Know what? I got a stern TALKING TO by the principal. A quiet, no-nonsense conversation behind closed doors. That's it.

Guess what race I am (not).

If you're willing to make (reasonable) allowances for circumstance, well, then we're just haggling over the price, as Lord Beaverbrook is said to have said. There are all kinds of technical rights available to me that I never choose to exercise, and pretending to be a mime in front of a police officer is one of them. That's not because I'm a principled guy - quite the opposite, I just think it would always be more practical to talk to the cop, even if I'm allowed not to, so for me there aren't any good circumstances for that. I recognize that I have the blithe security of the privileged - I would show my ID to anyone who asks for it, and I realize that it wouldn't be the same for a harassed minority, or an undocumented immigrant.

Also, I think it's a very counterproductive view to see legally allowed behavior as == societally accepted or constructive behavior. That kind of thinking - that every behavior right up unto the very breaking point of the law (but not beyond that point) is 'good' (or heroic) - presupposes unrealistically good and detailed and up-to-date laws. In general I find that laws are much more broad and roughly hewn than that - just because we don't think it's principally or practically appropriate to arrest somebody for doing X, it might still never be appropriate to actually do X in reality.

She/ he was unsafe in cutting in. A annoying shitty driver. The truck driver however caused the accident.

Also i assume the truck driver saw her/him as he chose not to slow down when moving off the roadway. You would think he would have broke hard to avoid the situation/accident.

If we all made driving decisions based on principal when other make poor driving decisions many of us would be in hospital or dead by now. People who make choices like this are idiots.

@kceaton1
@JiggaJonson

I think there's a big difference between instant fire-able offences (drinking on the job) and mediocre teaching. My mother is a teacher and she definitely talks about a dichotomy between those who try and those who don't.

Unfortunately the system they have in QLD, Australia for end of high school exams is that the teachers can set the exam themselves for their students rather than any form of independently set examination. This means there is a huge incentive, for say Math, to teach to a specific test, then give the exam with largely the same questions but the numbers changed.

There is performance tracking at a school level and principals are incentivised to create good results but often this can be achieved with rote learning rather than genuinely understanding the subject matter due to the lack of externally set examinations.

Meanwhile, while unions ensure that risk of job loss is low, principals can transfer teachers to far away schools with poor conditions easily, and since performance can be fudged, your ability to retain a specific position is largely determined by your personal relationship with said principal.

As far as students being able to address bad teachers directly, how? As you mentioned Jigga, they will likely not be taken seriously if they complain as some will assume it's as a result of work load rather than teaching performance. The only way you can really measure it is student performance objectively measured by externally set examination.

Yes, it's not a perfect measure. Student performance may be determined by the cohort or the effectiveness of teachers in lower grades. That's why you test them before and after to measure progress rather than raw performance. You can also look at average results over 3-4 years to avoid specific class bias and to allow room for improvement.

As far as standardised measures, a good test for say Math will require broad knowledge rather than specific facts as the questions that could be asked would be widespread and would test understanding rather than rote learning. For subjects with wider and less specific knowledge areas like say English or History you avoid advantaging specific knowledge by giving a wide range of options for essay questions.

Meh. I don't even like that there is a cultural stigma associated with just admitting that teaching is a hard job and you can't mention that without attaching the disclaimer of "Well there ARE bad teachers who do _______ and that's bad."

Here's some food for thought: There is ALWAYS a self-check in place to guard against bad teachers, an army of people who will complain about said teacher constantly and actively work to remove that teacher from the position, the students. Students love complaining about teachers that they don't like, or they let it slip in different ways. "I love that sub, he let us do whatever we wanted."

Other professionals in education quickly zero in on comments from students and, with reliable accuracy, can identify problems with colleagues. I, myself, overheard a conversation students were having about another teacher stumbling around 'acting drunk and swearing' and went over to ask about it. I was shocked when I was shown a video shot from under a desk of this happening, stopped what I was doing, grabbed the principal who conveniently was in the hall, and that was the last day that person was in our building.

I'm fairly confident; in spite of morale being low, teachers being bashed in the news, students suffering from more problems than I can count, and being forced to teach to a standardized test; damn-near every person in my school is doing the best they can.

p.s. the pay sucks too.

I'm not sure if the social gamer girls accent was deliberately all over the place or just a really bad attempt at some kind of Irish or Fargo-esque accent?

Good fun, needed more Law and the Principal too.

"Considering how many videos showing clear police assaults on innocent people one can see on any given day on Facebook, one cannot help wondering: how many such assaults occur in the country each day -- a hundred for each one caught on a video, a thousand, ten thousand? I am genuinely puzzled that, at this late date, anyone still fails to see that the principal-agent relationship between the police and the public has been completely reversed. The police now feel free to abuse and assault anyone and everyone at their pleasure and caprice. (Please do not give me any bullshit about bad applies. Such claims no longer have any standing whatever.)" ~Robert Higgs

Yea awesome suit.. wish he spent like a fraction of the time making that sucker working out a more active circulated cool suit. A vest that works on the same principals as the ice pack in my fridge is destined to last just as long.

Random stuff I found.
These guys are VER PRO Israel.

"The Adam and Gila Milstein Family Foundation.
Adam and Gila Milstein initially moved to the United States from Israel with their two youngest daughters over 30 years ago.

Today, the Milstein’s two oldest daughters are married to Jews. Their third daughter, who was born in the US, is a pro-Israel activist "
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Reaching_Israelis_in_America.html


"The Adam and Gila Milstein Family Foundation believes in strengthening Israel, the homeland of the Jewish people. We do so by supporting several non-profit organizations with similar goals related to this cause. "

"By focusing on college campuses, The Milstein Family Foundation seeks to enhance understanding, increase positive attitudes toward Israel on campus, and establish awareness and knowledge of issues beyond campus borders, thus broadening the perspectives of each student and deepening connections between Americans and the State of Israel."
http://milsteinff.org/

The Milsteins believe in creating synergies between Pro-Israel and Pro-Democracy organizations to empower our young generation to strengthen Democracy, freedom and other Judeo Christian principals in order to combat extremism and anti-Semitism.
http://www.hagerpacific.com/adam_milstein.html

The title is the one that it had when I found it.
I suppose it could be changed...?
Changing it from: "He Could Have Told His Teacher Or His Principal."
to: "Boy Stands up at city Council on Bullying"

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I dont understand the interviewer or people being wildly upset by this, do they really think the zookeepers, who feed and care for this giraffe are simply sadistic morons who kills a giraffe for fun or just because they can? Obviously there was a reason for this.

I am , however, in principal against zoos. they may be educational on some level, but I have a distaste for the concept of keeping wild animals imprisoned like this. But I do think that most zoos and zookeepers do their best under the circumstances to keep the animals happy as they can be. Most wild animals in the wild of course, live in perpetual fear and/or hunger, and so forth, but I am much more in favour of us spending money on preserving wilderness, and stop the perpetual destruction of their natural habitat, instead of keeping specimens in special "cages"/zoos.