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Africans started slavery

newtboy says...

Uh......slavery didn't start in the 1700's. It likely began in Mesopotamia as an industry, but probably existed long before cuneiform existed to record it.

Even sticking to Africa, Egyptians used slaves extensively eons before this.

Most active slavers in 18 th century Africa were Arabs or Europeans. Africans traded/sold POWs from other tribes caught during tribal warfare, and later began to actively participate in the European slave trade. They absolutely were not the sole kidnappers, however, nor were they the first.

Harrison Ford: 'I'm the schmuck that landed on the taxiway'

newtboy (Member Profile)

Mississippi River Hydrostatic Model

oblio70 says...

"Years earlier, they had amassed...", before building the model.

The model came later as a result of the failed projects, realizing that a symptomatic approach was flawed. The model was to take a more holistic methodology to addressing the flooding along the Mississippi.

The timeline is as follows:
the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927:
Flood Control act of 1928-
Army Corps of Engineers gets to work
Sec. of Commerce H.Hoover directs Flood Relief
towns & cities which had flooded get levees
The Great Flood of 1937:
towns downstream of newly protected communities get flooded.
ACE begins with simple models in dirt
1943 gets funding to build largest scale model for study:
1"=1000' horizontal, 1"=100' vertical
German POWs used for initial labor.

sorry that wasn't clear enough before. There was no model before.

SFOGuy said:

... The way you wrote this---implies to me that they either misunderstood the model or the the model gave them flawed data. Or perhaps, that they got good data and ignored it (lol). I'm curious: which was it?

Military will refuse to obey unlawful orders from Pres Trump

Drachen_Jager says...

Look, it's really simple. The question was, "Will the US military obey unlawful orders."

I pointed to one proven instance where they absolutely did just that. I didn't bring up rape or any of that, you did, but it actually makes my case even more solid. Not only did they OBEY those orders, they took them several steps further on their own. Abu Ghraib is an excellent example because there was a court case and therefore there's a lot of documentation.

There are a ton of other examples, especially from WWII onward, firebombing major German cities, nuclear attacks on Japan, use of Napalm in Vietnam. Treatment of POWs.... It's a very long list of debatable war crimes, many of which are poorly documented. If you want to pick one as a better example, go ahead, but building up straw men to attack when you seem to essentially agree with the thrust of my argument seems petty and ridiculous.

bcglorf said:

I hadn't thought I was ever disagreeing on Bush and Cheney and company approving war crimes in the form of torture(in particular stress positions and later on water boarding). They were shockingly open about it and basically just defended it by saying they didn't think it was that bad...

When you posed Abu Ghraib as an example of military following illegal orders though, I disagreed. You know, based upon the fact that the acts of sexual assualt, physical assault, rape and murder were counted as crimes by the military. This standing apart from 'lesser' torture like loud music and stress positions which was 'ok'.

If you want to be taken seriously stick to the truth. Trying to run out hyperbole like you were by alluding to rape and murder being an executive order and standard procedure does you no credit. Trotting out Abu Ghraib is even worse as it disproves your hyperbole, what with the military discharging and putting on trial those involved and all.

no respite-ISIS recruitment video-english version

newtboy says...

Those daeshbags really know how to video edit. Too bad they don't know how to co-exist with the other 7.3 billion of us and we'll have to evaporate them.

I can't understand why we don't take a page from the fake book of Jack Black Pershing, and bury enemy combatants with pig carcasses, or better yet, the disgusting leftovers from pig carcasses, and put pigs blood in and on all their bullets. Taint the faithful so they don't 'go to heaven', and 50-75% will run away tomorrow. Only those fighting for something other than religion will be left, and they'll have lost their best recruitment method.

If we can't bring ourselves to do that, perhaps we can move to feeding all Daesh POW's only pork. Let them starve themselves to death if they don't want it. No problem for me at all.

MUST WATCH - How To Make A Fake News Broadcast

RFlagg says...

... so is he claiming that ISIS/ISIL/DAIISH is a all a production? I mean at one point he says that horrible things are happening, but then also that it was just a production? Is he also trying to claim that Jessica Lynch wasn't really a POW? While I agree that the media is overselling the problem to promote a war, which will make the ISIS situation worse, I'm not sold on it being a fancy production.

As to ISIL (or whatever the proper term is now) kill one leader and another takes their place, it'll never end, and as you kill more and more of them and more innocent civilians are killed, human shields or not, you make it easier to radicalize elements of that population. And as more and more people turn against Islam as a whole and not just radical elements, you make it easier and easier to radicalize more people and progressively make the situation worse, which is perhaps what the Republicans want when they and their media arm want... if that is his point, that they are using the situation and making it worse on purpose, then that's one thing, but he seems to be going on fringe territory here and suggesting it is all a production... that whole paragraph is a bit oddly worded, and more ramble than usual, I'll blame being tired...

I'll give it an upvote anyhow, even if I'm not in full agreement with the idea that the whole thing is a production...

radx (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Thinking of you. Miss your bon mots and perfect English.

My cousin just helped an ailing former POW from WWII write his memoirs. I thought of you when he told of crossing a bridge with a huge unexploded bomb wedged into it.

She did some research to pad out his few memories, and added a story about unexploded ordinance being found in... Frankfurt? During construction?

I can't remember the details, but I do know that when it first happened you sent me a link to the discovery of the bomb.

Hope all is well.

Guy Jumps Nearly 200 Feet Off a Cliff

The Fallen of World War 2 (WWII)

SDGundamX says...

Uh... WTF? Have you seriously never heard of the Dresden and Hamburg firebombings? In the Hamburg case the U.S. actually set up a fake German village as a test run just to see how many houses they could burn down. The fact that entire mock village was destroyed was seen as a massive success, not a reason to go back and figure out a more humane way to do it.

As far as Japan goes, even today a large part of Japan's economy depends upon small to mid-sized businesses that often double as people's homes. The government didn't "place" them there, these were people's day-jobs. Just like in the U.S., factories that once produced consumer goods were forced to make military materials to support the war effort.

The U.S. used firebombs for two reasons: first, firebombing meant precision bombing wasn't needed so the planes could fly at a high altitude out of shot of anti-aircraft fire and second, they knew damn well they'd be roasting Japanese people alive. Nobody cared. The war had gone on for so long that the U.S. was willing to do anything to end it quickly, particularly when they saw Russian swooping in to consolidate Eastern Europe. After Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, the bitter island fighting in the Pacific, the kamikaze attacks, and the stories of escaped or freed POWs, it's pretty safe to say the American military wasn't looking at the Japanese people as humans anymore, just enemies to be defeated by any means necessary--including nuclear weapons.

Chaucer said:

Yep, putting it on Japanese leadership. If you dont want your civilians targeted, dont put military targets among the houses. You can look at the European side of the war to see that we didnt target civilians, only the military targets. Not saying there wasnt civilian casualties, but we didnt specifically target them.

blackfox42 (Member Profile)

lucky760 says...

Congrats on reaching bronze and thanks for all the contributions that got you here!

Or in your language:

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Missing, Presumed Dead - The Search for America's POWs

newtboy says...

I really wish this was MUCH shorter. I'm interested in the subject, but I'm not ready to give it over an hour today.
I do find it terrible that we have, instead of investigating and finding these POW's, often simply listed them as dead and moved on, while they languished in foreign POW camps, sometimes being listed as POW's by the captors, but listed as dead by our government. It's disgusting. Even suspected remains are usually left for non-government organizations to find and recover, it's like the military doesn't want to know, and certainly doesn't want to admit they do a TERRIBLE job of follow up on this issue. They (and we) should be ashamed.

enoch (Member Profile)

radx says...

You thought correctly. What a blast.

Even despite your recommendation, I expected it to be a run-of-the-mill action flick. Mucho pow pow, cheesy zingers everywhere... the usual. So it was all the more captivating when it turned out to be a proper dystopian cesspool of desperation.

When Dredd lured a group of them to a terminal, covered them in what looked like Willie Pete and set half the quadrant on fire -- that's cold. And if I didn't know Lena Headey to have quite the rock 'n roll personality, I'd be worried by how naturally the persona of an ice-cold murderer seems to come to her. Both Urban and Headey, now that I think about it. Very disturbing indeed.

Anyway, great recommendation, would have never touched it otherwise.

enoch said:

i think you will enjoy it immensely.

avengers infinity wars teaser trailer

RFlagg says...

Stan Lee Media is a silly company. They tried to sue Stan Lee himself (this probably a good example of why to never name a company after yourself).

As I understand it, they lost their chance to make a claim when they didn't go after Stan Lee and POW Entertainment early enough and before it was all brought into the Marvel fold, and then into the Disney fold. Their claim is that Stan Lee signed rights over to Stan Lee Media and then illegally transferred the rights to POW Entertainment (now part of Marvel, and therefor part of Disney).

The courts have on several occasions ruled that the transfer in the end was valid... I get a bit confused on that part, as it seems it is mostly a statue of limitations thing. They didn't fight it in time, so they lost the rights. It's why various companies have to fight to protect their copyright/trademarks and the like so often, otherwise you risk ownership. I'd think the company will continue to lose battles since they have been ruled against so many times. Where does the money come from to keep doing these lawsuits?



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