*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/Michael-Moore-Occupy-Wall-Street-Countdown-10-20-2011

my understanding is that they aren't allowed to use megaphones during their protest for some reason... and so aren't (to not give authority the right to come in and shut them down)

there's a vid of Michael Moore saying some words with the crowd repeating what he says too

fixed again... (likely to be temporary)>> ^moodonia:

dead again

Because if you're rich you have to be a selfish cunt, right?
>> ^lantern53:

'It's good to see the media has finally shown up'
'IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE MEDIA HAS FINALLY SHOWN UP!'
The drones are following the queen bee.
Where is the sense with this person...isn't he rich from his own efforts? Why doesn't he give it all away? Because he's a hypocrite.

>> ^dannym3141:

I tell you what, this sort of shit is exactly what these protesters need. If the police start manipulating people's trust in the police before handing out arrests, more people are gonna get pissed off. I'd be more happy to get pissed off at corrupt fucking police than wall street, because corrupt fucking police are given their orders by corrupt fucking government and that's where my hatred lies.
If i were the government right now, i'd be very fucking careful with what the police are doing, because oppression is one way to make this REALLY kick off and give every little group a common enemy to support each other against.
Reminds me of what michael moore said in that other video - the police are used to having power through cooperation, they're used to people doing as their told. They forget that there's fewer of them than there are of the people they're trying to control - that could get real ugly real fast; this does actually worry me a bit.
I bet the net result of this is an INCREASE in the number of protesters.


Bam. Exactly. They're using logic that came about in the past 10 years that if you make things "uncomfortable" for protesters at say G8 or something they will be marginalized and nobody will care what they're protesting. The problem is this world is more viral...more video and photos and contact than EVER before. This is us though and these are problems that concern us so a lot more people are watching this with interest and they see how the cops are treating these protesters.

I tell you what, this sort of shit is exactly what these protesters need. If the police start manipulating people's trust in the police before handing out arrests, more people are gonna get pissed off. I'd be more happy to get pissed off at corrupt fucking police than wall street, because corrupt fucking police are given their orders by corrupt fucking government and that's where my hatred lies.

If i were the government right now, i'd be very fucking careful with what the police are doing, because oppression is one way to make this REALLY kick off and give every little group a common enemy to support each other against.

Reminds me of what michael moore said in that other video - the police are used to having power through cooperation, they're used to people doing as their told. They forget that there's fewer of them than there are of the people they're trying to control - that could get real ugly real fast; this does actually worry me a bit.

I bet the net result of this is an INCREASE in the number of protesters.

>> ^vaire2ube:

... purple monkey dishwasher
such co-operation with just mind and body... feels magical even coming through my screen .. i got chills


If i could promote a comment, i'd promote this one. Excellently expressed that little tingle i got when i learned what they were doing the other day.

@ghark i think you have misunderstood the point being made.

>> ^zor:

A commenter on Slashdot had it right: If we are going to make this protest matter we need to dress properly. Sunday best, if possible. Like MLK did. If we look like a bunch of hippies with camcorders nobody can identify or hope to take our side. Filthy, dirty hippies! Even though there is widespread popular support for this protest very few will acknowledge it.


I disagree, people should choose to dress how they want to dress, not how they think people would prefer them to dress. If dressing nice is important to you, go and protest in a business suit - I imagine after 2-3 days of sleeping on the street you'll regret that decision.

In addition, saying that nobody will identify with these 'filthy dirty hippies' is a pretty big exaggeration, other filthy dirty hippies will! Also, if being a filthy dirty hippy is so bad, why are we leaving it to them to free America from the most fiscally and morally corrupt politicians anywhere in the free world? Shouldn't that be seen as a positive? In my eyes these guys are hero's and judgement should be made solely on their actions.

By the way, if you think they need new clothes so badly, you can send them a donation.

>> ^zor:

A commenter on Slashdot had it right: If we are going to make this protest matter we need to dress properly. Sunday best, if possible. Like MLK did. If we look like a bunch of hippies with camcorders nobody can identify or hope to take our side. Filthy, dirty hippies! Even though there is widespread popular support for this protest very few will acknowledge it.


If I could promote a comment--I'd promote this one.

>> ^ghark:

way to go Michael Moore


Hear, hear!

way to go Michael Moore

Hey, Thanks! An important message--I hope it get thru to the right people.

In reply to this comment by geo321:
*promote

The full speech:
http://videosift.com/video/Michael-Moores-speech-at-Wall-Street

TYT's coverage of this speech:
http://videosift.com/video/TYT-coverage-of-Michael-Moores-speech-at-Wall-Street

Hmph...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/occupy-wall-street_n_987439.html
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2011/09/wall-st-protest-day-three-a-call-for-the-deprivatization-of-everything/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/29/occupy-wall-street_n_987439.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/labor_unions_and_leftist_group.html

The more I see about these yahoos, the less sympathy I feel. The protestors were clogging up the streets and sidewalks and bringing the area to a standstill. People couldn't drive or get to work. They were creating a disturbance, disrupting citizens, and otherwise being a bunch of jerks. That sort of mess can be dangerous in a big city. It stops ambulances. It stops fire trucks. It stops emergency services. It causes accidents.

So the police got called in to clear a way so normal traffic could keep going. The protestors refused to disperse or cooperate. Therefore in order to accomplish their jobs, the police had to start hauling people away and using crowd control. That means they break out the pepper spray, nightsticks, nets, plastic cuffs, and start arresting people. Duh.

So when that happens the protestors start whining they are 'peaceful'? And the police are 'violent'? Nope. Doesn't wash. If you'd wanted a peaceful solution then you'd have dispersed when the police asked - or better yet you wouldn't have created a problem to start with. But that didn't happen, so the cops had to force it.

You don't get to cry foul when that happens. When you illegally block traffic and create a danger to others then the cops have every right to force you to clear out - and they have every right to use force if you are not cooperative. MLK and Ghandi accomplished their goals with peaceful protests against real oppression. These Wall Street yahoos are just a bunch of leftist cretins who are trying to stir up trouble. I think this opinion about sums it up...

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/26/life-on-occupied-wall-street/

"It’s become impossible to tell where a deluded leftism stops and a respectable liberalism starts. For all the liberal complaining about conservative extremism becoming the norm, today’s liberal media culture earns its daily bread by flattering (or employing) everyone from Al Sharpton to Michael Moore to 9/11 Truthers like rapper Mos Def. And so liberalism continues its steady transformation into a self-righteous, incoherent, solution-free blur. Take a long, hard look at the fur-capped, begoggled, and topless misfits on Wall Street. They’re funhouse mirror images of our more respected liberal elites."