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Colbert To Trump: 'Doing Nothing Is Cowardice'

bcglorf says...

Here's a Canadian example:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/aly-hindy-salaheddin-islamic-centre

A mosque who's former founder has gone off to lead a team of Al Qaeda linked suicide bombers in Iraq. The mosque Ohmar Khadr's father brought their family to before relocating them to fight for Bin Laden in Pakistan. The mosque attended by the leaders of the largest terrorist ring Canada has broken up thus far. Other members have gone off to join terrorists in Somalia and Egypt.

The question of should we be setting up some manner of legal accountability for an organization that is clearly idealogically supporting these things isn't a clear and obvious, nope, nothing can be done. At least not any more than nope, nothing can be done is clearly the answer to the Vegas shootings.

Guantanamo - Interrogation of Omar Khadr

12380 says...

Hypocrisy of the "Repatriate Omar Khadr to Canada" Movement

As soon as the Gitmo interrogation tape of Omar Khadr hit the Internet, the blogosphere was flooded with demands to repatriate him to Canada. This wave is reminiscent of a Soviet campaign to free Luis Corvalán from the "fascist regime" of Augusto Pinochet thirty five years ago. The scenario is strikingly similar. A "victim" held by "fascist regimes" this time run by Bush and Harper, and a public outcry for justice. Except for the fact that Luis Corvalán didn't kill anyone and didn't fight for a terrorist group that wants to impose Sharia.

The "repatriate Khadr" crowd describes him as "a child", "a kid", "a boy", and even "a torture victim", with no facts to substantiate the torture claims notwithstanding. They complain about Khadr being mistreated, again, without anything to back up their claims. Some of them are outraged about "child abuse." And they all scream for justice.

They want justice? OK, let's talk about JUSTICE. What about justice for Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer, who was (according to an eyewitness) murdered by this "child"? What about justice for Tabitha Speer, who is a widow because of this "kid"? What about justice for Taryn and Tanner Speer, who are left without a father by this "a boy"? And what about all those Afghani civilians and NATO troops who are a little bit safer because this "torture victim" is behind bars? How many of these "repatriate Khadr" hypocrites concern themselves with justice for real victims? In literally hundreds of posts, we couldn't find a single one.

One would ask, what is the reason for this idiocy? The answer is simple. Ignorance. Complete and utter ignorance. Let's forget for a second that Omar Khadr killed Christopher Speer. Let's forget that Khadr's father was an al Qaeda financier. Let's forget that Khadr's family is known for it being al Qaeda sympathizers. Let's just remember what this "child" was fighting for in Afghanistan.

This is what Taliban-imposed Sharia looks like in real life: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hy
pocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html

Why don't all of you, bleeding heart demagogues go to Afghanistan and spend a day in a Taliban-controlled territory? And let's talk about Khadr when you get back. If you get back.

16 year old Canadian Terror Suspect Interrogated at Gitmo

Pprt says...

It's unfortunate that victims of circumstance exist, however I trust that western powers use the utmost discernment in their actions and tread grievously into these difficult situations.

My apologies if you feel I did not get your point, NetRunner. Bottom line is that no matter how much you'd like other people to respect your "code of honour", you'll ending looking like a fool if time after time you get stabbed in the back. It's decidedly not enjoyable, but sometimes when you're dealing with dirt you've got to take off your white gloves and get your hands dirty. Not everyone lives by the pen.

Back to this particular case. Fifteen old Khadr, born and bred in Canada, definitely had the mental capacity to understand that his father was a Muslim extremist and he was certainly conscious of his decision to go to Afghanistan and wage a so-called "holy war". He was not abducted and seemed to rather enjoy laying down landmines. We're not talking about harmless teenage pranks. He fully intended to murder people.

16 year old Canadian Terror Suspect Interrogated at Gitmo

Pprt says...

To everyone getting their panties in a bunch:

What do you think would have happened if the militia Khadr was in had captured an American or even a Canadian soldier?

How long do you think until they'd have chopped his head off and put the tape on the internet? Three months? Six?

I think he's being treated rather humanely considering the circumstances he was apprehended. At least he's got a full belly and something attached to his jugular.

16 year old Canadian Terror Suspect Interrogated at Gitmo

16 year old Canadian Terror Suspect Interrogated at Gitmo

bcglorf says...

This guy was 15 when he was caught, but he is admittedly more than just a "suspect". He was the sole Taliban survivor in a fire fight in Afghanistan. When just he and one other fighter were left a grenade was thrown that killed an American soldier. It's a sad commentary on America that his treatment is so deeply in question, but that doesn't change the circumstances of when Khadr was caught. There is video of him laying land mines as well. The really ugly part is how young he was when he was caught. What do you do with someone this deeply troubled and dangerous when they are barely past being a kid?

16 year old Canadian Terror Suspect Interrogated at Gitmo

Farhad2000 says...

Officials considered him an "intelligence treasure trove" not only because his father was Ahmed Said Khadr, but because he had personally met Osama bin Laden and might be able to offer answers about the al-Qaeda hierarchy despite having been only ten years old at the time.

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When he told Canadians that he had been tortured into giving false confessions by the Americans, the Canadian authorities called him a liar, causing him to cry. He later recalled that he had "tried to cooperate so that they would take me back to Canada".

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On April 9 2008, a box of Khadr's documents was seized, ostensibly because items like a Lord of the Rings screenplay were prohibited, and the legal documents taken were returned a few days later. He was also ordered to cease playing dominoes or chess with his attorneys.

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In the spring of 2008, a series of visits by Canadian Foreign Affairs officials led Karim Amégan and Suneeta Millington to report that Khadr was "salvageable" if allowed to return to society, but that keeping him in the prison would risk radicalising him.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

Guantanamo - Interrogation of Omar Khadr

deedub81 says...

@ Octopussy: Omar was offered a Combatant Status Review Tribunal a few years ago to determine if he had already been correctly proven to match the US administration's definition of an "enemy combatant." Participation by the captives was voluntary, and Khadr chose not to be involved in his tribunal.

Khadr's "Summary of Evidence Memo" summary alleges that he has admitted he threw a grenade which killed a U.S. soldier, attended an al Qaida training camp in Kabul and worked as a translator for al Qaida to coordinate land mine missions. In addition, he was accused of helping to plant the landmines between Khost and Ghardez (Which actions are caught on video), and having visited an airport near Khost to collect information on U.S. convoy movements.

The unfortunate thing is that he turned 16 before being taken to Guantanamo so he was treated as an adult. We should consider that all of his alleged offenses were committed when he was a 15 year old boy or younger. In my book, he deserves a little mercy for that.

Guantanamo - Interrogation of Omar Khadr

Guantanamo - Interrogation of Omar Khadr

thinker247 says...

P.O.W.s have rights under the Geneva Convention. This is a 15-year-old kid being deprived of sleep and proper medical care, and held without rights as a Canadian citizen for over six years. It finally gives a face to the ugliness of our war tactics.

>> ^deadgoon:
I'm not trying to be a wiseass but I'm failing to see the importance of divulging the tapes in regard to a P.O.W.

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