>> ^MarineGunrock:

Duh. You make a very good point there. But at least none of those people think they belong to a "community" or "culture"


Oh, man... yeah they do...

Here in Australia the two largest versions of this are Ford vs Holden (now owned by GM), people will seriously beat the hell out of others based on liking the wrong car brand.

I completely don't get it... my first real car that I bought when I was 20 or so was a Holden Commodore, and then the first car my wife and I bought when we became a serious 'family' as such was a Ford Falcon

So, yeah, not limited to Apple whatsoever. People like to show that they are 'Apple' overtly as a 'sticking it to the man' against MS I would say. And the fierce arguments between both sides is very similar to the fights between people with different consoles. A lot of it comes down to fear that you've backed the wrong horse... at least I reackon when I was a kid with a ZX Spectrum it was... 'Nah, the Spectrum is better than the C64... yeah... is... nerrr'

My distaste for Apple as a company is their smarmy fricken attitude and those vs ads predominantly. IF they had been doing ads about how great their machines are all this time without the bullshit pissing on MS then I'd be far more happy for them.

Oh... I know another thing that gets me riled up... the users themselves. We have a couple in our company, and they're forever trying to convert you over to Apple... Argh. Shuttup. Be happy with your Apple, and I'll be happy with my PC.

So that's where my bleating comes from, others trying to tell me how wrong I am to like Windows.

Hell, I LIKE Macs. Last two laptops I bought I wanted them to BE Macs but could not come at the huge price difference.

Still... that doesn't mean I can see the point in the iPad still Useless lump that it is

>> ^d3bas3r:
>> ^lampishthing:
>> ^HaricotVert:
Holden Caufield?

I get references yay!

I don't...:(


I do, thanks to Wikipedia!

>> ^lampishthing:
>> ^HaricotVert:
Holden Caufield?

I get references yay!


I don't...:(

>> ^HaricotVert:
Holden Caufield?


I get references yay!

Holden Caufield?

>> ^deathcow:
Reminds me of my years in Australia. I spent quite a few years there before Dag you know. Looks like somewhere from Kintore East or Yuendemu. I'll never forget the bloodwood and the desert oak, the holden wrecks and boiling diesels, steaming 45 degrees even when it was like darktime out.


Wow, how could you sleep while your bed was burning?

Reminds me of my years in Australia. I spent quite a few years there before Dag you know. Looks like somewhere from Kintore East or Yuendemu. I'll never forget the bloodwood and the desert oak, the holden wrecks and boiling diesels, steaming 45 degrees even when it was like darktime out.

more holden
http://www.videosift.com/video/Positively-Fat

Holden's answers today represented something that has unfortunately become all too foreign for us. Feingold put it best when he said that with three words - Waterbording is torture - Holden changed the world.

[edit]

BUT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVGrgZoiD98


Yikes!

I'm still not sure what to think.

I'm putting a *viral on this and say remove it only if you can prove otherwise, this SCREAMS viral... oooh, how powerful is it... oooh.

We have this as the Holden Captiva in Australia, brought in to combat the high sales of the Ford Territory. And yes, they are of the breed of 4WD vehicles that are never actually used for 4WD, so crap like this tries to justify why you might need this ability in town.

I'm not even going to watch the video.

[edit: Now I have watched the video... what the hell is up with your summary: 'Peter Schiff sees the current crisis as a result of todays socialism.'? He doesn't say anything of the sort... he does say that they should be allowed to fail because they are poorly managed, but this demonising socialism as a word again even though it was never used in this context is ridiculous]

But the reason why the US (And Australian) car manufacturers are dying is because they are terribly, terribly managed. NOTHING to do with capitalism vs socialism, NOTHING.

They have had decades of the writing being on the wall that what the consumers want and need are more efficient cars the preferably don't run on petrol. What do they keep making?

Ford US: STILL the thing they're advertising most, the F150 a ridiculous tank of a vehicle... stupid, stupid vehicle for all but a narrow subset of uses.
GM US: Well, there and here in Aus, they are still pushing the even more ridiculous HUMMER A disgusting vehicle if ever there was one.

Australia?
Ford Australia: They cannot change and continue to spend millions on the big 6 cylinder Falcon...
GM Australia (Holden): Just as stupidly continue with the Commodore.

These companies have noone to blame but themselves. DO NOT blame socialism (nothing to do with it), do NOT blame capitalism (Also nothing to do with it)... it's the short sighted, bullshit for brains management.

Every man and his dog could see there was no future for big, fuel inneficient cars, but they keep building the damn things. And it was a point on Top Gear Australia, where the host was pleading with people to buy those two big sedans because if we didn't the Australian car industry would die... well, no F*CK OFF... you don't buy bad cars just to prop up an industry that didn't move with the times, THEY should have made hybrid, alternative fuel, and electric cars.

F*ck them for not moving with the times, and F*ck them for trying to get billions from the government.

[Talking]
Holden Street
Dean Street
click clack, Presidents
Nostrand Ave
DP's, Orange Ave
RBG's, T-Town
Who Wanna Ride, Brooklyn
Come on, Come on

[Rapping]
Sittin' in the living room on the flo' hunger pain
got me on some migraine shit but I'ma maintain
Nigga got two or three dollars to my name
and my homies in the same boat goin' through the same thing
ready for a caper, steady plottin' for the paper
we been livin' in the dark since April
on the candle, gotta get a handle
my homie got a 25 automatic added to the gamble
nigga get the phone book look up in the yellow page
lemme tell you how we fiendin ta get paid
we gon' order take out, when we see the driver
we gon' stick the 25 up in his face, let's ride
steppin' outside like warriors into the notorious southside
one weapon to the four of us, hidin' in the corridor
til' we see the dominoes car headlights
white boy in the wrong place at the right time
soon as the car door open up he mine
we roll up quick and put the pistol to his nose
by the look on his face he probly shitted in his clothes
you know what this is a stick up
gimme the dough, from the pick up
you ran into the wrong niggas
we runnin down the block hot with these stack of boxes boxes
so we split up and met back at the apartment

Hell Yeah
yo ain't you hungry my nigga
hell yeah
you wanna get paid my nigga
hell yeah
ain't you tired of starvin' my nigga
hell yeah, (well lets ride then) hell yeah

I know a way we can get paid
you can get down but you can't be afraid
let's go to the DMV and get a ID
the name says you but the face is me
now it's yo' turn take my paperwork
like 1,2,3 let's make it work
then fill out out the credit card application
then it's gonna be about three weeks of waitin'
for American Express, Discover card
Platinum Visa Mastercard
cuz when we was boothed and shit then we was targets
now we just walk right up and say charge it
to the game we rockin' brand names
well known at department store chains
even got the boys in the crew a few thangs
Po Po never know who to true blame
store after store ya' know we kept rollin'
wait two weeks report the card stolen
repeat the cycle like a laundrymat
like a glitch in the system thats hard to catch
comin' out the mall, with the shopping bags
we can take 'em right back and get the cash
yeah, get a friend and do it again
damn right that's how we pay the rent

Hell yeah

Got to get this paper
I'm down for the caper, we steady on the grind
It's a daily struggle
We all gotta hustle, this is the way we survive
[x2]

I know a caper
we can get some government paper
ya' know food stamps, can we really do that
hell yeah right there for the takin'
fuck welfare we say reparations
Ya' know the grind
get up early get on the line and just wait
everybody on break
that's part of the game and when they call your name
Miss caseworker lemme state my claim
I'm homeless, jobless, time is hard
about hopeless, but I gotta eat regardless
no family to run to I'm 22
now tell me what the fuck am I supposed to do
my sad story made her feel close to me
I made her feel like it was in emergency
and when I came to the crib niggas couldn't believe
I came back with a big bag of groceries

Every job I ever had I had to get
on the first day I find out how to pimp the system
two steps ahead of the manager
gettin' over on the regular tax-free money out the register
and when I'm workin' late night stockin boxes
I'm creepin' their merchandises
Don't put me on dishes I'm droppin' them bitches
and takin' all day long to mop the kitchen
shit, we ain't gettin paid commission, minimum wage
modern day slave conditions
got me flippin' burgers with no power
can't even buy one off what I make in an hour
I'm not one to kiss ass for the top position
I take mine off the top like a politician
where I'm from doin' dirt is a part of livin'
I got mouths to feed dog I gotsa' get it

Hell Yeah
You down to roll my nigga
Hell Yeah
You ready to get your hands dirty my nigga
Hell Yeah
Your momma need money and thangs my nigga
Hell Yeah, Well let's ride then, Hell Yeah

If you claimin' gangsta
Then bang on the system, and show that you ready to ride
Til' we get our freedom
We got to get over, we steady on the grind
[x2]

Yes, very nice... but... it's a concept.

How many concepts like this do we actually see materialize anywhere near the form we see them in at the car shows. (yes, some, you don't need to point them out to me)

I'm far more interested in zero emission cars when they become production... THEN they interest me. Especially if they are a price I can afford.

Our family runs on one car at the moment (2 adults, 3 kids)... we do so partly because of cost, but partly because we don't want to contribute any more pollution. Now we are getting near the time a second car will be almost a necessity, and we are so wishing that there could be some affordable zero, or close to zero, emission car for us to buy in a couple of years here in Australia.

What are our hopes?

Next to damn diddly that's what.

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Great find Schmawy- Perse has a vague memory of this ad and is fond of Holdens for more nostaligic reasons ...


Not a big fan of Holdens these day. boxy utility cars mainly made in Europe by GM's Opel and shipped over here for assembly.

I must say, I've always been surprised at the number of people who pimp videos on my profile, but then I came to realize that it's because people think I'll enjoy them. So, I pimp to thee...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Football-Meat-Pies-Kangaroos-and-Holden-Cars