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You pretend like you would be willing to have a debate, but I can tell by your discourse that you're not

In short - "I don't wan't to talk specifics because that would mean I had to actually argue my case and I'm really only comfortable when I'm lobbing ad hominems safely ensconced in the anonymity of the internet. Now excuse me while I flee ignominiously..."

1. Are you saying that careful planning and getting things done right the first time are bad ways of working out problems?

Not at all. I'm noting with wry irony the hypocritical nature of Obama and his administration in taking a "let's go slow" approach with the military (so to avoid liberal backlack) while advocating breakneck haste and reckless speed with his domestic agenda.

the process of solving one problem does not necessarily logically follow from the process of solving a different problem, therefore your argument is non sequitur. Familiarize yourself with logic and the terms you are throwing around.

So - are you then saying that the issue of Health Care is one that requires no attention, no examination, and no deliberation? You are saying that the request for Afghanistan troops from a top general is SO critical that it requires slow, due consideration. And yet you are also saying that the nationalalization of our health care (the single biggest political issue in decades) is so UNimportant that it can be done with no examination of the bill, no open debate, and with undue haste & speed. I think you need a few lessons in logic yourself before you presume to attempt to instruct me. I was perfectly logical in my application.

3. The issue has been debated since May or possibly sooner. How many months is enough for you? Most of our country has had enough debate. Look at the polls.

Yes I have looked at the polls, and 58% of the country is opposed to Obamacare at last count. Does that mean according to your logic that the plan should be abandoned? Regardless, the 'issue' has been discussed but the SPECIFICS of the plan have not. There are no facts. There is no bill. It is only today that ONE version of the bill was submitted from the Senate - and there are 5 other versions which have never been seen. We can't discuss specifics when no specifics exist. Therefore we have discussed only generalities. That is not good enough. We need the COMPLETE finished bill in its FULL text posted for the entire country to read and deliberate over for weeks - preferably months. Without specificity, there is no 'discussion'.

4. Do you have proof that Obama's process for addressing military issues is more political than deliberative, or are you just vomiting your impressed opinion?

Do you have any information that explains why he will not follow the recommendation of his general and add troops? What other reason is there besides politics. When in a war, you follow the advice of your top leaders. They want troops. What else does he need to 'deliberate' except the political fallout he will suffer with his anti-war supporters? Everyone knows he is playing politics with Afghanistan. During his ENTIRE political campaign in 2008 he was constantly harping on Afghanistan being the 'real war' and Iraq was a pointless Bush distraction. Well, now Afghanistan is all his war and what's he done with it?

5. Let them continue acting the way they do. If health care doesn't pass this year, it will pass in two years after Republicans lose even more seats in congress for acting like spoiled rotten infants.

All the political polling to date shows the Democrat party losing a lot of seats in the house and the senate in 2010. It is kind of early for such polls though. Regardless, your peception of a 'demand' for Obamacare is a false one. Polling shows clearly that the majority of the public is against it. They are more concerned about the national debt. If Obama ramrods in Obamacare and increased our debt even more (which it will) then he faces a crippling backlash in 2010 and 2012. If he wants to be a 1 termer like Carter then he's well on his way.

Holy hell, I never realised til right now.

The girl they're talking about in this is the one that was supposed to be on the dating show in mallrats..


I've never realised that the two tied in.

http://www.videosift.com/video/No-Touching-Indian-Dating-Show

What the crap was the show? Can someone elaborate as to whether she is a host, or another contestant, or what, as I'm confused as to the situation to begin with.

As for who was right or wrong, well, she should not have slapped him at all. She should have restrained herself, and seemed to slap him pretty hard. Unless, of course, that is an expected 'thing' for this show, is it some sort of weird sado masochist thing?

Him though, well, coming from the point of view of the 'stronger' sex, and not being in a situation that was really threatening past the slap, should have certainly not retaliated in that way at all. However I get the impression he was shocked at his own reaction, and did so out of pure shock.

But yeah, no-one was in the right here.

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Ahh, yeah, so the explanation comes from the show. It's called Dadagiri and is billed as 'TVs meanest gameshow'

So, you should be able to expect that treatment from the host, so yeah, he CERTAINLY should not have hit back, it should have been expected when you sign on for a show of that sort.

Here's the portion of the show that leads to this point.

And notice how they just edit out the whole incident from what goes to air?

What a pathetic show, let's make ridicule and humiliation be entertainment.

Anyone think perhaps this is a bit of viral advertising?

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Oh, and it's not a dating show, check out the description, it's a gameshow about humiliation and punishment.

Someone beat you to it by ~14 hours, sorry

http://www.videosift.com/video/No-Touching-Indian-Dating-Show

hmm. you are right

there is no real way to compare it without both queue dates showing.
but since mlx's version was queued over 3 days ago, that would mean youdiejoe was first unless his version made it out in a day.

i remember trying to submit it a few days ago and youdiejoes clip was already there showing as a dupe so i am pretty sure his was first.