>> ^Gallowflak:

you don't have the right to get offended if something you believe in is demonstrably false and people call you out on it.


Sure you do. It's just inadvisable because it makes you look like a stupid child.

>> ^Gallowflak:

Here's a tip about intellectual honesty: you don't have the right to get offended if something you believe in is demonstrably false and people call you out on it.


But you do have the right to be offended or upset if someone proves you're wrong and then punches you in the face to end the point. I'm saying that this is what I do to end arguments.

All of this input from Shiny smacks of a kind of sad desperation, where it is not actually the rest of us that he/she is trying to convince, but is instead in fact trying to quell the remnants of his/her own critical thinking through the constant reinforcement of his/her theistic bias.

Science is all about using doubt and skepticism to challenge theories that are developed through the interpretation of available facts while religion is about the certainty of unknowable things that are to be believed regardless of the available facts.

There is no way to debate to a conclusion with someone who refuses to imagine even for a second that their argument may be wrong.

"Of course science doesn't know everything... if it did, it would stop." - Dara O'Briain

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On the other hand what proportion of regular books deserve the respect that literature gets?>> ^mentality:

>> ^rychan:
>> ^MaxWilder:
I love how everybody gets the "boss battle" joke. Gaming sure has gone mainstream.

Yeah, that impressed me. I wonder if he second guessed it before using it. "Eh, do people get this stuff now?"
I've known these days were coming since I was a child, and it's not done yet. Gaming still isn't respected as an art form the way literature is. Newer mediums like photography and comics have gotten that respect, but not yet games. Some day.

Eh. Only a small handful of comic books deserve the same level of respect as literature, just like only a small handful of games deserve the same level of respect as art. The vast majority of games, especially the popular ones, are still juvenile blockbusters steeped in industry conventions that cannot transcend expectations for the medium.

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Wikipedia on Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahnemann - the inventor of homeopathy:

Hahnemann claimed that the medicine of his time did as much harm as good:

My sense of duty would not easily allow me to treat the unknown pathological state of my suffering brethren with these unknown medicines. The thought of becoming in this way a murderer or malefactor towards the life of my fellow human beings was most terrible to me, so terrible and disturbing that I wholly gave up my practice in the first years of my married life and occupied myself solely with chemistry and writing.[3]

After giving up his practice around 1784, Hahnemann made his living chiefly as a writer and translator, while resolving also to investigate the causes of medicine's alleged errors. While translating William Cullen's A Treatise on the Materia Medica, Hahnemann encountered the claim that cinchona, the bark of a Peruvian tree, was effective in treating malaria because of its astringency. Hahnemann believed that other astringent substances are not effective against malaria and began to research cinchona's effect on the human body by self-application. Noting that the drug induced malaria-like symptoms in himself, he concluded that it would do so in any healthy individual. This led him to postulate a healing principle: "that which can produce a set of symptoms in a healthy individual, can treat a sick individual who is manifesting a similar set of symptoms."[3] This principle, like cures like, became the basis for an approach to medicine which he gave the name homeopathy.

So, homeopathy is based on an idea from a man who thought that medicinal drugs in the late 1700 was potentially harmful. No shit. The understanding of chemistry and medicine is incomparable to today's sciences, the periodic table, a vital part of the basics of chemistry wasn't invented until nearly 100 years later. Belief that this kind of treatment is as effective, if not more than conventional medicine is beyond me.

I'd like to quote Dara Ó Briain "people say 'well, science doesn't know everything' - well science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise, it would stop."

and

"Well herbal medicine, 'herbal medicine has be around for thousands of years', indeed it has, and the stuff that worked became, medicine"

http://www.videosift.com/video/Dara-O-Briain-on-Homeopaths-and-Nutritionists

>> ^rychan:
>> ^MaxWilder:
I love how everybody gets the "boss battle" joke. Gaming sure has gone mainstream.

Yeah, that impressed me. I wonder if he second guessed it before using it. "Eh, do people get this stuff now?"
I've known these days were coming since I was a child, and it's not done yet. Gaming still isn't respected as an art form the way literature is. Newer mediums like photography and comics have gotten that respect, but not yet games. Some day.


Eh. Only a small handful of comic books deserve the same level of respect as literature, just like only a small handful of games deserve the same level of respect as art. The vast majority of games, especially the popular ones, are still juvenile blockbusters steeped in industry conventions that cannot transcend expectations for the medium.

>> ^MaxWilder:
I love how everybody gets the "boss battle" joke. Gaming sure has gone mainstream.


Yeah, that impressed me. I wonder if he second guessed it before using it. "Eh, do people get this stuff now?"

I've known these days were coming since I was a child, and it's not done yet. Gaming still isn't respected as an art form the way literature is. Newer mediums like photography and comics have gotten that respect, but not yet games. Some day.

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>> ^hpqp:
He put the appendix there to test our faith, duh!!


But then why do rabbits and monkeys have them too, to test their faith as well?

Dara O'Briain responded to that VERY well!

^kymbos

Blame old biology books if you want, but rabbits WERE rodents(until 1912), and the triple point of water WAS 0°C (and still is on the old centigrade scale)