organizations are not persons, and have no rights

Groups have freedom of speech, can own property, assemble, participate politically, apply for permits, et al... Those are rights.

2)501(3)(c) makes churches and the boy scouts quasi-public entities, they give up some privileges in order to not pay taxes, this does not apply to MAP. Throwing them in shows that you aren't really thinking it through.

It was plain from my quote that I was giving a laundry list of various possiblities. You're the one fixating on one example or another. Regardless, I deduce from your verbose parsing that you feel a 501c entity doesn't have the right to exclude exclude membership, but you think a non-501c should be able to be exclusionary. That's good. We're making some progress.

Prejean is MAPs employee, not just someone who showed up at their event, they have every right to fire her for making PSAs for NOM

I have no problem with MAP booting any contestant they want for any reason they want. Their contest their rules. But apply the rules FAIRLY. If the MAP fires Prejean for speaking out in favor of an 'external group' then they bloody better disqualify ALL contestants who do anything even remotely close to that. That includes speaking for pro-gay groups. The problem neo-libs encounter is that they want to selectively apply the rules so they can discriminate against things they hate, and give a free pass to things they like. I'm not a that big of a douche, so I apply all rules equally.

for hiding the existence of the photos before the pageant, and for not meeting her other contractual obligations as Miss CA.

Deceptive language. Everyone knew about the pics. You can't take those kinds of pics at a shoot with a 17 year old without MAJOR supervision. Saying they were 'hidden' is disingenous. The MAP knew all about them long ago. Not meeting her contractual obligations? Which ones? I heard there was a big group photo shoot she didn't show up for, but it was not one she was 'contractually obligated' to attend. It was an invitation.

To me it seems like you're parsing to the nth degree in an effort to avoid having to conceed your errors. There is nothing bad about being wrong sometimes. But don't rhetorically flail around when you make a mistake.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
Typical cheap, lazy dodge.

1) organizations are not persons, and have no rights, but they do have an obligation to deal fairly, both with their employees, and with the public. You can't open a "no gays" restaurant, but you have the right to leave a restaurant if there are gay people there. Person vs. Business vs. Non-profit are all completely different issues.

2) Applying for 501(3)(c) makes churches and the boy scouts quasi-public entities, they give up some privileges in order to not pay taxes, this does not apply to MAP. Throwing them in shows that you aren't really thinking it through.

3) Prejean is MAPs employee, not just someone who showed up at their event, they have every right to fire her for making PSAs for NOM as Miss CA without their approval, for hiding the existence of the photos before the pageant, and for not meeting her other contractual obligations as Miss CA. MAP still can't decide not to hire black people or gay people, they still must deal fairly with the public.

4) Prejeans gross breach of contract is grounds to fire ANYBODY, the fact that she breached her contract by running around doing a political media blitz is not particularly relevant. She wants to pretend that it's her position, not her actions, which made firing her an option. She wanted to be a martyr, so she did something to get fired, while conflating her misdeeds with her political position. This is all her fault, and she still has not been punished for it, but still stands up and whines about being punished, because the media train wreck is what this is all about, and she does not have the decency, or strength of character to admit her error.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker: Do you also advocate that private organizations such as churches, the boy scouts, and various professional organizations have a "right to dissassociate themselves whenever they like" when applied to gays?

Hmmm, what's the difference? Oh yeah a little thing called 501(3)(c).

>> ^siftbot:
1. Ball-Flexin' - 591 votes received (actionpack talk)
2. Everything geek - 501 votes received (geek talk)
3. Short Films - 480 votes received (shortfilms talk)
4. Books: Printed Glory - 111 votes received (books talk)
5. Global War on Terror - 111 votes received (waronterror talk)
6. Politics - 111 votes received (politics talk)
7. Spanning Time - 111 votes received (history talk)


Wait, isn't this supposed to be a top ten list? Is Siftie special? Or did you just make that list up so Kronos felt better, Lucky... er, I mean, Siftbot.

1. Ball-Flexin' - 591 votes received (actionpack talk)
2. Everything geek - 501 votes received (geek talk)
3. Short Films - 480 votes received (shortfilms talk)
4. Books: Printed Glory - 111 votes received (books talk)
5. Global War on Terror - 111 votes received (waronterror talk)
6. Politics - 111 votes received (politics talk)
7. Spanning Time - 111 votes received (history talk)

These are the latest imdb stats:
votes/percentage/rating in stars for the Dark Knight
98,885 73.0% 10
18,337 13.5% 9
8,215 6.1% 8
2,989 2.2% 7
1,141 0.8% 6
648 0.5% 5
339 0.3% 4
298 0.2% 3
420 0.3% 2
4,171 3.1% 1

It seems like the fans (10 stars voters) are trying to claim the no. 1 position, just like during the Lord of the Rings, but in the end this flick will go down in ranking with the Godfather and the like reigning again.

I voted 6 stars, as this movie will not be etched in people's minds - only when you haven't seen anything better..
Maybe the face and acting of The Joker will survive but this roller coaster ride through an exploding bombastic (visual and auditive) dark Gotham without any real suspense arcs is out of balance..as part of the Batman series it may be seen as a terror chapter but I expect an entertaining movie (especially in a story about heroes/villains) to have a full story told where I also - to some degree - have some compassion with the (extremely terrorized/scared) characters and objects/surroundings. Nolan did not succeed in this.

edit: a day later, the downward trend is already clearly visible
104,980 71.8% 10
20,501 14.0% 9
9,443 6.5% 8
3,408 2.3% 7
1,301 0.9% 6
753 0.5% 5
383 0.3% 4
336 0.2% 3
465 0.3% 2
4,610 3.2% 1

This sounds like he's starting his own political party, without officially starting his own party.

Is the Campaign for Liberty a PAC/527/501(c)?

501...

I totally sniped it from KP, who pointed out that you were on the cusp of greatness, so he should get the credit!

In reply to this comment by Issykitty:
I was WONDERING how I got 501 star points! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, for that, and for the * promote, and for everything you do and everything you are - my very generous Schmawy-cat furriend!

In reply to this comment by siftbot:
Awarding Issykitty with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by schmawy.

I was WONDERING how I got 501 star points! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, for that, and for the * promote, and for everything you do and everything you are - my very generous Schmawy-cat furriend!

In reply to this comment by siftbot:
Awarding Issykitty with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by schmawy.

I know I'm late to the party, but if you read this Lucky...

One title for non-logged in users
Another one for logged in.

Save the *jokes for insiders. I think *quality is bad for a public face.

Regarding Dag's comment you guys do know about SEO and you do not want a rotating title (heck you might consider you are stuck with current one because of SEO.. I think if you do the 501 or 503 right and let the spiders hit that first it helps.) Should not matter for logged in users

Rights afforded and/or denied is an issue apart from whether or not a society agrees to unions of same sex couples, and calls it marriage-This becomes a simple matter of will and responsibility, when you approach it from this angle.

Do what you will, when you will, with whom you will, and accept the responsibility which comes with your chosen path of action, within the paradigm you find yourself in. If I wanted to feel like the world was a fair place for m,yself and my gay lover, I would probably move away from a society that tried to stone me, or otherwise made life miserable for me. You must navigate the planet in whatever place in time and space you find it in. If you wanted to worship your idea of God contrary to that of the Vatican's in the 1500's, you dis so in a closet, or you faced them defiantly in public....AND ACCEPTED CONSEQUENCES

You want to own fully-automatic weapons in the United States? Do so, but be ready to accept the responsibility that comes with discharging it and having some idiot report you.

You want to keep all the money you earn, and pay no Federal Income Tax, fine. Don't be a idiot, and leave yourself no outs, if the IRS catches up, yer fucked.

Why, the marriage of homosexuality and Christianity is only a boar's hair away from reality. The devout of every religion take care of their member's needs in the form of a community of pooled resources....Start a gay church, 501. C. 3 status is granted, and adopt as your by-laws that a portion of tithes go to a fund to offset the horrifying inconvenience of not having the full checklist of bennies that hetero couples get. Or stay single on paper fer crissakes, and give it a whine elsewhere-If you wish to see a city liberated from the bonds of a nation's social convention, free to express themselves openly, all manner of human aberration resides in San Francisco, a bunch of flakes with no internal compass whatsoever, a truly lovely city, a fucked city government, crime crawling up it's ass from all the "tolerance" their state, and their city legislatures drizzle.....lived there-saw that-would not wish it on a country......

Oh and berticus-not everything on that wiki list is exclusive rights and privileges for married couples only, and inflammatory rhetoric like "either or...live in a theocracy" is horseshit-there is no divine ruler recognized in any country on earth, that type of nonsense semantic exercise is tactic used by the most vocal of the homosexual rights advocates, of religious nut-bags, and brown-shirt Nazi assholes.....

Lessee....back in the 18's, Joe Smith left a bunch of heathens and started his own, superior religion, that has grown into one of the most successful cults in the world....even got their own state, and their own presidential candidate...it doesn't mean they had it easy.....

You could look into operating as a tax deductible entity....like a 501-c here in the US, -proceeds in the form of donations for operating costs, and right-offs for companies.......those who pay to have their work hosted, have a space, non-payers, etc.

"Todd Bertuzzi faced no consequences for his actions...."

He was suspended for 20 games, costing him $501,926.39 USD;
He lost about $350,000 in endorsement income;
He pled guilty to Assault Causing Bodily Harm, although he got zero jail time;
He is being sued for $19,500,000 by Steve Moore, and that lawsuit is still pending.

Should he have served at least a little time in jail? Yes, and it's sad that he didn't. But saying he faced "no consequences" is simply untrue.

that goes double for 501, and exponentially from there.....oh an' the roast, yeps....you don't even have to be famous or long, to get yer ass handed to ya, or hand it to.....Capitol Idea!.....

I say, first anniversary after the 500 mark....starting with the biggest balls already, and that a volunteeer....the rest....yer sorrry day is coming.......a real roast too, not some nicey-nicey shits!!!