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15 Comments
enochbeat me to it!....aaaagain.
i wonder if the new atheists are aware they speak in the very same fundamentalist language they so despise and criticize?
that on a very core level,the epistemology is the same.
oh the delicious irony.....
NOMA as in how Dawkins criticises NOMA?
I think there's a subtle distinction between what NDGT is saying and NOMA, which is that i don't think he suggested that any religion should be given the position to present what they know as fact. He seemed to suggest that the American physicists he knows, if they are shall we say 'spiritual' then they are spiritual in a more open sense than being classed as any particular religion. Perhaps in the sense that they see no reason for there NOT to be different realities or even that the universe is not a part of something else. In that way they may be open to spirituality even if just in a general well-being sense, and use religious texts as interesting moralistic tales.
At the end of the day, no matter how cutting Dawkins can be, he himself knows that you can't prove anything about this god or that god, and ultimately anything to do with why there is this reality nor what any alternative might be. He's just a guy with opinions about how this place works too, and he's certainly not the smartest of us to ever have been.
Might you be putting too much focus on the (i think facetious) comment that it teaches how to go to heaven not how the heavens go? I think, or rather hope, that he was trying to say that there's no way to tell one way or the other, but he can understand why people feel comforted by it and you can say you subscribe to something even whilst you hold your own completely modified version of it according to what you experience in this reality!
enochso i woke up this morning,grabbed my coffee and started my routine of seeing whats happening on the sift to be greeted by your comment.
thank you my friend.
it brought a smile to my face.
and brought me back to earth with a giant dose of getoveryourself.
my comment had a certain..shrillness... that,while unintended,was very evident with a reread.
i would love the assistance to get to the truth of the matter.i would not even know where to start.the articles i found for/against seemed to be a tug of war between vegans and big monied interests.
i think everyone here would benefit from your talents.
i guess i just find it ironic that one video has 24 votes,while mine is left floundering,yet both are basically saying the same thing.
grant you,the related video if far more entertaining.
anyways,thank you for bringing me down to earth my friend.
/tips coffee
and have a great morning! (or afternoon/evening)
siftbotCongratulations! Your comment on Cool Cucumber Slicing Technique has just received enough votes from the community to earn you 1 Power Point. Thank you for your quality contribution to VideoSift.
MrFiskHey --
i appreciate the dialogue and criticisms -- but I hope I didn't come off as dismissive or arrogant. We can agree to disagree, but I think we can do it respectfully. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
WH
enochnot many people understand why i engage certain sifters.
it appears you do.
comment of perfection my friend.
bravo.
I don't think she/he's trolling - i think she/he's an idiot. It reminds me of that picture i see around - "hurrr durrr i'm a idiot!" "go away idiot" "joke's on them, it was all a ruse!" ... In other words, if it looks and sounds like an idiot then it's an idiot, even if it's intentionally being one.
The only possible explanation is that she/he is some kind of innovative anti-troll that states the best possible argument for the worst possible opinion - worst as rated on a scale of how damaging and unfair it is to society; religion, the environment, equality - all videos that she/he has been spouting the most abominable shite about within the last week alone! She/He sets up the perfect bad argument for someone to come along and blow it up point by point, all of which she/he pointedly ignores. Everyone who reads past comes to understand the argument, see that one side makes sense and is rational, and comes to the correct conclusion.
In which case i hope you'll all join me in a great big thanks for her/his contributions to highlighting the plight of the boot-trodden minorities. You never fail to set up the perfect knock down for anyone who has any kind of reasoned understanding of anything you post about. Back in the 00s here in England we all thought Dom Joly and Sascha Baron Cohen were crazy fools, but they were 10 years ahead of their time. And now Zach Galifianakis is standing on the shoulders of giants. Great work, @lantern53.
dannym3141Thank you @siftbot. I can't believe it's been 7 years. That really is a long time.
Happy belated anniversary! Due to a glitch in the Matrix, we forgot to mark year number 7 since you first became a Sifter. The community wouldn\'t be the same without you. Thanks for your contributions!
siftbotHappy belated anniversary! Due to a glitch in the Matrix, we forgot to mark year number 7 since you first became a Sifter. The community wouldn\'t be the same without you. Thanks for your contributions!
mintbbbI did think about that originally, but I usually just end up copying either the original title, or the title from where I found it.. English is not my first language, so I suck at trying to come up with a title on my own.. Or if I do, it just sounds really stupid
My brain refuses to be clever in English!
So, I normally just copy and paste!
Thanks for the comment, I do agree with you! I will try to pay attention to titles more, hope my brain co-operates
Hey just FYI you might be missing out on votes here:
http://videosift.com/video/Gettin-Lucky-with-a-Bassoon-and-Theremin
Because although everything else says "Get Lucky" once you're on the page, before then it says "Gettin' Lucky" - i've skipped it a few times because i didn't know the song, thought it might be some kinda blues i didn't want to hear
radxCheers for not losing your temper in the Bill Nye comment thread.
newtboyI think your efforts are commendable, but doomed to fail. Trance is not interested in learning, and when you teach him something he can't find a crazed, wrong link to discount your knowledge with, he'll simply ignore it and move on to more and more infantile argument. He recently became my second ignore.
I am glad you called him out on his doctorate in underwater basket weaving, unfortunately for us all it does not help him understand science in the least, or the scientific method, but somehow convinces him that it does.
EDIT: Oh, "doctorate in Social 'science'", which he must mistakenly believe is a true science and not a misnomer.
I see he continues with his intentional miss-reading and/or miss-quoting, claiming you said purely consensus is the ONLY way science progresses, not that it's the way that progression is accepted by the scientific community. Me thinks this miss-understanding is an intentional miss-statement in order to continue his 'debate' by constantly changing either his own, or your stance on the subject.
I also noted the passive aggressive (and terrible English) statement " the manner in which I posted the links may not have been "fair," ", to me implying you just couldn't assimilate that much information, not conceding that it was all an attempt at an overwhelming avalanche of BS propaganda.
Kudos on your reasoned, patient approach. I ran out of patience with the kindergarten argument style and quit him.
@Trancecoach holding a doctorate doesn't make you capable of understanding the scientific literature.
enochhere is the thing though,based purely on my own subjective observations:
your rage is tempered with a humanity that rarely comes across as rage but rather patience.
if you are not a teacher...you should be.
or a zen buddhist...
i confuse the two.
enochyou are one awesome motherfucker... ya know that?
bareboards2So we're done? It's been days....
VoodooVsorry, but choggie's derailed yet another sift, so I won't be participating
bareboards2grumble.
YEAHH!!
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