I totally buy that we're possibly going through a warming trend. Cycles are a part of nature from the get go. There's just no way anyone can make me believe my pickup truck is to blame.

Hear hear. Global warming is bullshit. Climate change, on the other hand, may very well be real. Sure, all that shit we're pumping into the air can't be good, but it's not the cause.

I wouldn't own a pickup just because gas is $4 a gallon.

I know.. it stays parked in the garage most of the time. When gas peaked over 4 bucks here, it took about 90 bucks to fill it up.

It's a really pretty Titan. Now we take turns over my little econo Versa that you made fun of once

Last year a dealer was begging us to trade it in when I was shopping for my little car.... now I doubt he'd want it. No one is buying them now days.

Even if all this is true it doesn't acquit CO2 emissions from possibly hastening the return to the next 22C plateau (during which there would be no polar ice caps). Residents of low-lying coastal areas need to move inland before that happens but it may be hundreds or thousands of years.

Oh, I'll still make fun of a Versa. I can get (and do have) great mileage without sacrificing my dignity.

I'm curious why the chart shows the temperature being warmer at the K-T Boundary. The whole reason the Earth experienced a rise in mammals during the Tertiary period is because of the extremely cold weather.

According to the reading I've done, the dinosaurs died because things got very, very cold at the end of the Cretaceous Period when a meteorite hit the Earth. Ash and debris was sent up into the atmosphere, blocking the sun, causing these extremely cold temperatures. Dinosaurs were ectotherms, so they warmed their bodies using heat from outside of them, most commonly the sun. Mammals are Endothermic, obviously, so they can raise their metabolic rate to generate heat internally without outside sources of heat. Thus, the rise of the mammals.

So, why would the chart show the temperature being warm? Very odd.

The sudden coldness caused by atmospheric debris from an astroid impact would only last a few decades. That's barely a blip on the radar in the chart's time scale, but enough to cause many extinctions. Each vertical pixel in that chart is over half a million years. There is no way particulate debris from an astroid could stay in the atmosphere that long.

It's a shame, but Al Gore had completely ruined the discussion by releasing that completely bullshit movie. And I don't think you'll find a scientist on the planet that stands behind that piece of garbage and if they do, they should have their tenure revoked.

Good point, jwray. Not sure why that didn't occur to me. Still, doesn't it seem as if that blackout of the sun (for however long it lasted) would've had a significant impact on the climate? Maybe not. I'm not a scientist, so I would be speaking from ignorance.

>> ^jwray:
Even if all this is true it doesn't acquit CO2 emissions from possibly hastening the return to the next 22C plateau (during which there would be no polar ice caps). Residents of low-lying coastal areas need to move inland before that happens but it may be hundreds or thousands of years.



So I shouldn't go for that downtown Charleston property I've always dreamed about retiring in eh?

If I ever get a car it'll be a plug-in electric car. Fuck the oil companies.

>> ^jwray:
If I ever get a car it'll be a plug-in electric car. Fuck the oil companies.


My next car will be electric fo shizzle.

Gwiz donsn't like me

My harshly worded comment was only meant to highlight the fact that not only does politician, Al Gore not know what he's talking about but that it is in his interest that Global Warming be a catastrophic and deadly problem and that he has devastated the discussion of the topic by publishing a popular movie that is not supported by science. He was not honest and he published downright lies in that movie. It was counterproductive for the environmental/climate-change movement. He did more damage than he did help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology