Set your neurotransmitters to stun
shagen454says...

Just in case you were wondering (I know you weren't)

Psilocin is....



Wait for it






4-HO-DMT

Just wanted to add an ember to it

nanrodsays...

All they've ever done for me is make the walls look like they're breathing and make the lighting brighten and dim spontaneously. so for me kind of a waste of time and they taste like shit.

BoneRemakesays...

Oh that sucks.. I do them once a year at least for the therapeutic effect. It is never just things moving around and funny shades of light for me.

nanrodsaid:

All they've ever done for me is make the walls look like they're breathing and make the lighting brighten and dim spontaneously. so for me kind of a waste of time and they taste like shit.

shagen454says...

You guys need to eat 5 grams for it to do it's thing. That's a lot.

BoneRemakesaid:

Oh that sucks.. I do them once a year at least for the therapeutic effect. It is never just things moving around and funny shades of light for me.

shagen454says...

OK, 10 grams for you since you obviously need your balls turned into a black portal and your brains blown out into a fractalizing bloody mess of meaninglessness. But, that's probably what you're afraid of to begin with.

BoneRemakesaid:

FIve grams is for pussies.

BoneRemakesays...

I was ( in a personal way ) making fun of the fact you are giving a dose without knowing the strength or veriety being injested. The ones I grew a couple years ago were crap compared to some I have bought.

shagen454said:

words
more words

shagen454says...

You're right - I guess I made the mistake of assuming you would even begin to understand what the right strain (a powerful strain) of mushroom would be to ingest.

BoneRemakesaid:

I was ( in a personal way ) making fun of the fact you are giving a dose without knowing the strength or veriety being injested. The ones I grew a couple years ago were crap compared to some I have bought.

kir_mokumsays...

yeah, you def. didn't do enough and/or the right strain.

nanrodsaid:

All they've ever done for me is make the walls look like they're breathing and make the lighting brighten and dim spontaneously. so for me kind of a waste of time and they taste like shit.

shagen454says...

Thank goodness we have someone else here on the Sift (other than myself) that truly understands both the molecular structure AND the experience itself! I think "walls breathing" with a slight "therapeutic effect" would result in a Shulgin rating of 1 - where as the correct dosage with the right strain could very well end up with a Shulgin rating of 3 /5 potentially 4 - so the spectrum is vast. To reach those states on mushrooms I would say is potentially dangerous - due to duration and effects - if that is the state one wishes to see - I'd highly recommend smoking straight up very small doses of 5-MEO-DMT (which is potentially dangerous past say 7 milligrams so start small and actually weight the dose) or NN-DMT (up to 25 milligrams - which is not dangerous at all - one could smoke 200000000000000000000 mg and it's safe, "breakthrough" experience usually occurring somewhere in the 20mg-50mg range). I don't promote "breakthrough experiences" like the poet, mycologist & ethnobotanist + ultimate source of knowledge on the subject (Terence Mckenna) did - I think it's a lot crazier than any person can realize is possible but what I recommend is starting small and working up from there.

kir_mokumsaid:

yeah, you def. didn't do enough and/or the right strain.

newtboysays...

Once again, your repeated blanket promotion of using black market DMT without supervision has gotten old, and you have repeatedly been chastised for promoting it in unsafe, irresponsible ways. I feel like you should have to list your actual name and address when you repeatedly suggest things like that with an air of knowledge, so people and estates know who to sue when it all goes bad.
You're also in danger of being nothing more than a skipping record. I rarely if ever see you post anything NOT suggesting random strangers do a hard core, illegal drug. Please find another topic to speak about. I'm starting to think that doing DMT makes your life about nothing but DMT from then on, and that's pretty sad.

shagen454said:

Thank goodness we have someone else here on the Sift (other than myself) that truly understands both the molecular structure AND the experience itself! I think "walls breathing" with a slight "therapeutic effect" would result in a Shulgin rating of 1 - where as the correct dosage with the right strain could very well end up with a Shulgin rating of 3 /5 potentially 4 - so the spectrum is vast. To reach those states on mushrooms I would say is potentially dangerous - due to duration and effects - if that is the state one wishes to see - I'd highly recommend smoking straight up very small doses of 5-MEO-DMT (which is potentially dangerous past say 7 milligrams so start small and actually weight the dose) or NN-DMT (up to 25 milligrams - which is not dangerous at all - one could smoke 200000000000000000000 mg and it's safe, "breakthrough" experience usually occurring somewhere in the 20mg-50mg range). I don't promote "breakthrough experiences" like the poet, mycologist & ethnobotanist + ultimate source of knowledge on the subject (Terence Mckenna) did - I think it's a lot crazier than any person can realize is possible but what I recommend is starting small and working up from there.

enochsays...

@newtboy
while i agree that shagen tends to get downright biblical in regards to psychedelics,i have never seen him suggest taking them irresponsibly or in an abusive manner.

in fact,i have seen him on multiple occasions lay out proper procedure to have a safe and enjoyable trip.

i actually agree with shagen the positive benefits psychedelics can have on a person,having experienced them myself on multiple occasions,over a span of decades.

the difference between shagen and i,is that i see trying to sway someone who has never ingested psychedelics into taking them in the very same vein as trying to sway an atheist into believing in jesus.

it is never going to happen,so why would i waste my time?

it is like trying to teach a blind man the color blue,or a woman what it is like to have a penis.

certain people have certain personality traits that may lend them to experiment with psychedelics.other people do not.one should not be judged greater or lesser than the other,because both represent personal choice.

personally i love psychedelics,for many of the reasons shagen posts.you may not,for your own reasons.totally fair in my book.
you will never see me at your door asking "having you found the joys of chemically induced hallucinations yet?"

maybe i should.....
i shall call it the "cult of acid".
let the doorknocking BEGIN!

poolcleanersays...

I did shooms a couple times before the Emerald Dream opened up and welcomed me in. Also recommend doubling up on psychedelics if you're in it for more than just some breathing walls and lights flickering around.

People talking about its poor flavor in the face of cosmic awareness? Sometimes you gotta float out in the negative zone and wait your turn while the real shit gets done. But you need nega bands, motherfucker! You can't construct nega bands with 5 grams of some shitty questionable mushrooms. Complain after 3 times that, some weed, and I don't know, LSD? At least it's not peyote. Yuck. Shooms just taste like stale cheese crackers.

BoneRemakesays...

I think you might be confused who you are talking to sometimes. There is a lot wrong with your statement here. You equate the other posters knowledge of molecular structure of the drug and it's experience itself because of this statement...."yeah, you def. didn't do enough and/or the right strain." Then you cross over/confuse what I said about theraputic effect. You have no clue how much I take or the effect I am affected long term by.

I sternly suggest you go over your messages before you submit them, and stop being so ass hurt when someone gives you a downvote, its a fucking button click you take as someone kicked your mom in the head. You mention DMT you get a downvote, tired of your broken record one note pony bullshit, now I am learning you are presumptuous and projecting.

shagen454said:

Thank goodness we have someone else here on the Sift (other than myself) that truly understands both the molecular structure AND the experience itself! I think "walls breathing" with a slight "therapeutic effect" would result in a Shulgin rating of 1 - where as the correct dosage with the right strain could very well end up with a Shulgin rating of 3 /5 potentially 4 -

shagen454says...

Yeah, I do talk about it a lot, I like talking about them - rarely do them. The moment has to be just right and just like Doug Stanhope says about DMT - there's hardly a "right" place/time to do it, it's just that amazing.

You should check out a new study about the topic: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/290461.php

"In fact, on a number of factors, the study found a correlation between use of psychedelic drugs and decreased risk for mental health problems."

Remember, just because you ingested a random drug and had a bad experience doesn't mean that many in the tryptamine family pose any health threats - which has been proven many times that they do not. I mean who knows maybe you smoked a shit load of PCP. No one should ever take something that they haven't tested on low doses, know exactly what it is that they are taking and then follow the set & setting rules. Otherwise, obviously - yeah there is potential that you could be doing something harmful to yourself - so don't do it.

newtboysaid:

Once again, your repeated blanket promotion of using black market DMT without supervision has gotten old, and you have repeatedly been chastised for promoting it in unsafe, irresponsible ways. I feel like you should have to list your actual name and address when you repeatedly suggest things like that with an air of knowledge, so people and estates know who to sue when it all goes bad.
You're also in danger of being nothing more than a skipping record. I rarely if ever see you post anything NOT suggesting random strangers do a hard core, illegal drug. Please find another topic to speak about. I'm starting to think that doing DMT makes your life about nothing but DMT from then on, and that's pretty sad.

shagen454says...

You kicked my mom in the head?

How dare you!! Who's butt-hurt? Explain yourself! I'm all ears, for real. Tell me about the strains and the dosage. I want you guys to talk about it - forget all the social negation, downvoting, "you're going to hurt strangers", too much talk about DMT, whatever - why don't you talk about your experiences on this topic instead. DMT was on topic as that is really the molecular structure (look it up).

Also, I don't think I said anything offensive to you. On the contrary, all of our run-ins since the beginning have been with you being extremely negative from the get-go. Something for you to ponder, maybe?

BoneRemakesaid:

I think you might be confused who you are talking to sometimes. There is a lot wrong with your statement here. You equate the other posters knowledge of molecular structure of the drug and it's experience itself because of this statement...."yeah, you def. didn't do enough and/or the right strain." Then you cross over/confuse what I said about theraputic effect. You have no clue how much I take or the effect I am affected long term by.

I sternly suggest you go over your messages before you submit them, and stop being so ass hurt when someone gives you a downvote, its a fucking button click you take as someone kicked your mom in the head. You mention DMT you get a downvote, tired of your broken record one note pony bullshit, now I am learning you are presumptuous and projecting.

Guidenlightsays...

Mushrooms are a DEEPLY SPIRITUAL substance and when consumed in the PROPER ENVIRONMENT can do wonders for the evolution of the brain physically, as well as the mind, body, and soul metaphysically. They aid in functions of thought, how we perceive the world around us, and provide a deeper level of understanding then we are accustomed to. These realizations can be overwhelming, but when these realizations are accompanied with friends who keep you safe, a trusted guide, and a comfortable environment, the effects are harmonious and enlightening.

P.S. bad trips are just lessons for you to learn. a lot of it has to do with how we perceive control. a realistic measurement of psilocybin mushrooms for beginners would be more like 1.5-3.5Gs.
I personally consume 3.5g but I'm experienced, and again the potency must be understood... Safe journeys ~ Guidenlight

ChaosEnginesays...

"Deeply spiritual"? Well, I guess that's true in as much as anything is "spiritual".

But in reality, they're a psychedelic drug that messes with your perception of the world. There's nothing "spiritual" about it.

If you enjoy the experience of taking shrooms, great! No need to make up fairy stories around it, though.

Guidenlightsaid:

Mushrooms are a DEEPLY SPIRITUAL substance and when consumed in the PROPER ENVIRONMENT can do wonders for the evolution of the brain physically, as well as the mind, body, and soul metaphysically. They aid in functions of thought, how we perceive the world around us, and provide a deeper level of understanding then we are accustomed to. These realizations can be overwhelming, but when these realizations are accompanied with friends who keep you safe, a trusted guide, and a comfortable environment, the effects are harmonious and enlightening.

P.S. bad trips are just lessons for you to learn. a lot of it has to do with how we perceive control. a realistic measurement of psilocybin mushrooms for beginners would be more like 1.5-3.5Gs.
I personally consume 3.5g but I'm experienced, and again the potency must be understood... Safe journeys ~ Guidenlight

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