Officer disciplined after getting angry over White Privilege

The officer who responded to a captain's white privilege comments with anger was suspended for his remarks.

The Plainfield captain who made the comment is on administrative leave until the police board decides her punishment.
newtboysays...

Pretty f***ed up when you get suspended for responding to a racist insult like a normal person and are expected to sit quietly and be racially insulted by your boss.
If she had said "you can't understand because you're black" and black officers stopped her from continuing in the same way, there wouldn't be a question that they did the right thing.

Punishment doesn't really seem proper, how about training instead?

Btw-he got angry over being racially insulted, not over white privilege.

ChaosEnginesays...

I feel like we’re not getting the whole story here.

Out of context, it’s hard to know why she said anything about white male privilege (and no, that’s not a racist statement, it’s a sociological fact).

It’s equally hard to see why he got so upset he was disciplined.

newtboysays...

Saying white privilege exists may be stating a sociological fact, but saying someone is incapable of comprehension because of their male white privilege is a racist (and sexist) insulting dismissive statement, particularly when in response to a basic statistical question.

I'm confused on what you mean in your last sentence....do you mean it's hard to see why he got so upset because they disciplined him, or hard to see why he got so upset that he had to be disciplined?

ChaosEnginesaid:

I feel like we’re not getting the whole story here.

Out of context, it’s hard to know why she said anything about white male privilege (and no, that’s not a racist statement, it’s a sociological fact).

It’s equally hard to see why he got so upset he was disciplined.

ChaosEnginesays...

Sorry, re-reading that, it is badly worded. I meant I don't understand what upset him so much that he was disciplined for it.

But that leads back to my whole point about lack of context.

We don't know (from this video) WHY she talked about white male privilege and whether it was warranted, and equally, I don't understand why he reacted the way he did.

So, doing some research on this, it turns out that, when presented with the statistic that transgender people are 3.32 times more likely to experience police violence, he said "My wife has never been part of police violence, Most of the people that I know have never accused the police of violence. So I guess I don't get where that statistic comes from."

Ok, let's put the white privilege thing aside for a second. Can we all agree that that is a fucking dumb arse response? "People in Africa are starving." "Nonsense, I just had a cheeseburger". FFS.

It's at that point that Weber says "it's because of your white male privilege".

Now whether that response was merited is debatable. Personally, I feel like it's probably uncalled for, but I can also see where she's coming from.

Either way, it certainly doesn't merit Weber being put on administrative leave. As for the response, it was definitely unnecessary, but it was also not THAT bad.

I fail to see why the whole thing needed to go to disciplinary proceedings at all, when it could have been sorted out by making them both sit down and talk like grown-ups.

newtboysaid:

Saying white privilege exists may be stating a sociological fact, but saying someone is incapable of comprehension because of their male white privilege is a racist (and sexist) insulting dismissive statement, particularly when in response to a basic statistical question.

I'm confused on what you mean in your last sentence....do you mean it's hard to see why he got so upset because they disciplined him, or hard to see why he got so upset that he had to be disciplined?

newtboysays...

Good info there....thanks.

What I read there is he was ignorantly incredulous about a statistic because, not knowing any transgender people, he hasn't heard any complain about their mistreatment.
As an official who was giving a training seminar on how to professionally and respectfully deal with people who are different from you, her response was disastrous.
If they intend to continue having her lead these seminars, I hope they retrain her to be professional and respectful when dealing with people who are different from her, even if they are an ignoramus.

visionepsaid:

This article covers the exchange a little better:
https://lynx.media/2017/12/06/police-captain-placed-leave-white-male-privilege-remark/

From my take the white male privilege comment seemed pretty accurate since the guy was arguing that the statistics from a study must be false since he hadn't personally experienced the activities that had been studied.

ChaosEnginesays...

Just to be clear, the officer who made the remark (Carri Weber) was not the one giving the seminar.

The presenter (in the red shirt) gives the statistic.
Angry White Dude questions it.
Weber remarks about privilege.
Angry White Dude gets annoyed.

newtboysaid:

Good info there....thanks.

What I read there is he was ignorantly incredulous about a statistic because, not knowing any transgender people, he hasn't heard any complain about their mistreatment.
As an official who was giving a training seminar on how to professionally and respectfully deal with people who are different from you, her response was disastrous.
If they intend to continue having her lead these seminars, I hope they retrain her to be professional and respectful when dealing with people who are different from her, even if they are an ignoramus.

newtboysays...

Thanks, I had missed that. I retract my complaint about the presenter's tact/training.
Edit:but it did present a missed opportunity to teach how to properly reply to either of them being improper and defuse the situation respectfully.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Just to be clear, the officer who made the remark (Carri Weber) was not the one giving the seminar.

The presenter (in the red shirt) gives the statistic.
Angry White Dude questions it.
Weber remarks about privilege.
Angry White Dude gets annoyed.

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